Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Iran: There Will Be Blood
The Washington Note ^ | Saturday, Jun 13 2009, 10:29PM | Steve Clemons

Posted on 06/14/2009 3:23:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

(To get a feel for what is going on in the streets of Tehran, watch this linked BBC video clip.)

Last night in London after appearing on Keith Olbermann's show, I got an email from a well-connected Iranian who knows many of the power figures in the Tehran political order asking to meet me. I told him that the only place possible was Paddington on the way to Heathrow -- and there we met.

He conveyed to me things that were mostly obvious -- Iran is now a tinderbox. The right is tenaciously consolidating its control over the state and refuses to yield. There is a split among the mullahs and significant dismay with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. A gaping hole has been ripped open in Iranian society, exposing the contradictions of the regime and everyone now sees that the democracy that they believed that they had in Iranian form is a "charade."

But the scariest point he made to me that I had not heard anywhere else is that this "coup by the right wing" has created pressures that cannot be solved or patted down by the normal institutional arrangements Iran has constructed. The Guardian Council and other power nodes of government can't deal with the current crisis and can't deal with the fact that a civil war has now broken out among Iran's revolutionaries.

My contact predicted serious violence at the highest levels. He said that Ahmadinejad is now genuinely scared of Iranian society and of Mousavi and Rafsanjani. The level of tension between them has gone beyond civil limits -- and my contact said that Ahmadinejad will try to have them imprisoned and killed.

Likewise, he said, Rafsanjani, Khatami, and Mousavi know this -- and thus are using all of the instruments at their control within Iran's government apparatus to fight back -- but given Khamenei's embrace of Ahmadinejad's actions in the election and victory, there is no recourse but to try and remove Khamenei. Some suggest that Rafsanjani will count votes to see if there is a way to formally dislodge Khamenei -- but this source I met said that all of these political giants have resources at their disposal to "do away with" those that get in the way.

He predicted that the so-called reformist camp -- who are not exactly humanists in the Western liberal sense -- may try and animate efforts to decapitate the regime and "do away with" Ahmadinejad and even the Supreme Leader himself.

I am not convinced that this source "knows" these things will definitely happen but am convinced of his credentials and impressed with the seriousness of the discussion we had and his own concern that there may be political killing sprees ahead.

This is not a vision he advocates -- but one he fears.

-- Steve Clemons


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; iran; iranviolence2009; mousavi
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-204 next last
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hatred, chaos and savage beatings in Tehran

Interesting and shocking accounts of modern day police state gladiators on motorcycles.

151 posted on 06/14/2009 8:49:34 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape

Is oppressing an angry mob going to do anything but fan the flames? This is going to escalate fast.


152 posted on 06/14/2009 9:02:37 PM PDT by John Will
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 151 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
The protesters seem to be from the educated class that actually keeps things running, and who are tired of holding up the welfare state.

Note to self: Call these guys in the morning...

153 posted on 06/14/2009 9:13:46 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: John Will
Sounds like the Imanutjob Regime has been preparing for unrest. Trained motorcycle musclemen with body armor and helmets. Two on a cycle. Front drives. Rear has the club now and the gun later. Heard of one case where the Free Iranians were spilling oil on the roadway to knock the motorcyclist down. I once saw a cyclist go down because of a slick road. The wheels just slid out from under them. Brings em down fast. We need to give the Free Iranians some advice. Unfortunately with a Crooked Party President, we know the US wont be shipping them any toys. If this escalates out of control, watch Russia. This is their Son of a Biotch.
154 posted on 06/14/2009 9:14:01 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape

You know I have been following this stuff on Twitter and while they have a bad thing going there what is really pitiful are all of the Iranians who bad mouth Americans, many of them simply because some Americans are sympathetic of there plight, not a few of them have said how people the world over are in danger of being captured and tortured by American agents, and lump us in with their “militia” which many of them refer to as thugs(militia and thug being interchangable. So the brain washing of the left reaches into many places.


155 posted on 06/14/2009 9:21:17 PM PDT by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 154 | View Replies]

To: visualops

With green being the color of Islam, it’s more like “wear red on May Day”


156 posted on 06/14/2009 9:26:36 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Do you call it 'unsound method'?" "No method at all," I murmured.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: Texas Eagle
"I think they're attending Sensitivity Training seminars."

Followed by Race Relations and then Multiculturalism Appreciation Training.

157 posted on 06/14/2009 9:28:45 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Elections, like erections, often have similar consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: VRWCer
"What’s scary is that I believe that the left in our own government would love to be able to do the same to us."

What’s scary is that the left in our own government DID the same to us.

158 posted on 06/14/2009 10:03:50 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Elections, like erections, often have similar consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Now would be a good time for the 12th Imam to show up, just to stir the pot a bit.


159 posted on 06/14/2009 10:13:50 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calex59

So here is a question I haven’t seen anywhere. Obama made the statement he was waiting until the Iranian election for his damn cue. Did he KNOW this was going to happen. I mean that Homodinejad and Khamieni were going to hijack the election?
Could it be this is what he wanted to happen? Because freedom is anathema to 0, and this gives the hardliners in Iran an excuse to stamp out their opposition.


160 posted on 06/14/2009 10:21:13 PM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 155 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Yeah, he was, but that was when he thought the other guy was going win. He was going to claim credit for hope and change in Iran, but now he is looking pretty stupid. The MSM isn’t reporting on the riots much and I would suspect because of his asinine statement Friday about how he fixed everything in Iran!

I hope that I'mANutJob & 0booooooombashit both slither off into the twilight somewhere!!!

161 posted on 06/14/2009 10:25:33 PM PDT by rcrngroup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
The protesters seem to be from the educated class that actually keeps things running, and who are tired of holding up the welfare state.

Sounds like an Iranian Tea Party to me.

162 posted on 06/14/2009 10:29:03 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Lawgvr1955
Green is the color associated with Islam

I used to like the color green. I think I just switched to blue!!!

163 posted on 06/14/2009 10:30:33 PM PDT by rcrngroup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: taildragger

You mean Diverthity?


164 posted on 06/14/2009 10:50:53 PM PDT by Lexinom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape
Well. Look at what Russia is up to this month.

8,500 troops partake in exercises

MOSCOW - ABOUT 8,500 Russian troops will take part in military exercises starting this month in the country's North Caucasus region, just north of Georgia, the Russian defence ministry said on Thursday.

The Russian exercises will run from June 29 to July 6 and will focus on counter-terrorism and the handling of emergency situations, the ministry said.

165 posted on 06/15/2009 3:25:49 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 154 | View Replies]

To: txhurl

He could experience the wonders of tropical rain forests in some nice villa.


166 posted on 06/15/2009 8:42:48 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 114 | View Replies]

To: Irish Eyes

Of course in this case the L/MSM have been pretty well taken out of the loop at this point.


167 posted on 06/15/2009 8:46:34 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]

To: April Lexington
Note to self: Call these guys in the morning...

Hope you have an unlimited calling plan:


168 posted on 06/15/2009 8:55:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
Iran / today / Tehran #IranElection on Twitpic

Another angle, click pic for bigger.

169 posted on 06/15/2009 8:57:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies]

To: MinorityRepublican
Irrational exuberance.
170 posted on 06/15/2009 9:06:31 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: servantboy777

Ding Chavez and John Clark are doing what they do best. ;)

Tom Clancy, you magnificent bastard! ;)

171 posted on 06/15/2009 4:25:46 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Related thread posted today:

In Iran, an Iron Cleric, Now Blinking

172 posted on 06/15/2009 8:30:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Cyber Liberty
Well...check out this thread for more such crap:

Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran

173 posted on 06/15/2009 9:31:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: romanesq; Ernest_at_the_Beach; MestaMachine; justa-hairyape; FARS; nuconvert; potlatch; devolve; ...
Obama is the worst of the old criticism of US policy. He is merely for the status quo.

He retreated from President Bush’s policy about freedom for ALL. The old cynicism about the ME is deader than dead re: Iraq. Even with their issues, they are building a Republic.

And others in the region are asking, “If Iraq can, why not us?”

Thus the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon, etc. But Obama sits by and will not “impose” our God given rights of freedom on others.

Loser!!!! Obama is a loser. And he sits by without a word of praise for Iranians dying for freedom. Nary a word on their behalf.

You think Reagan would sit by and say nothing about that?

Hussein the naricissist with his nose in the air is actually in the closet clutching the RuHero costume.

I called the White House Comment Line today and told the lady our president ought to be supporting the democracy activists and by not doing so is perceived as weak here and there.

I told her the president's pal Bill Ayers took it to the Chicago streets October 8-11 1969 and were smashed by Daley's police army--

--and that now our president is being Nixon--

I repeated, our president is now Nixon.

Friends, of course he is a crypto Islamo-Communist, and his vice president is a friend of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The whole world is watching, Hussein the coward complicit in the Ayatollah's Islamofascist repression.

A billion for Hamas to strap Jew-killing bomb belts to children but not one syllable in support of a generation born since 1979.

We have a traitor denouncing our Judeo-Christian Republic and destroying the engine of the world's freedom.

We shall all be Iranians until we are rid of DICK (Doper Islamo Commie Kenyan).


174 posted on 06/15/2009 9:52:02 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo
A billion for Hamas to strap Jew-killing bomb belts to children but not one syllable in support of a generation born since 1979.

...............

YES!

175 posted on 06/15/2009 10:03:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo
I hadn't seen this one:

******************************************


176 posted on 06/15/2009 10:08:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We are reminded of The Who "Won't Get Fooled Again" by the Weatherman Legacy President firmly supporting the repressive status quo.

Hussein is now called ali Hussein according to Aljazeera.

His agenda is so transparent--he is the comrade-in-arms of Holocaust-denier Ahmadinejad and Coup-Coup Hugo and Lil' Kim.

He sends Acorn thugs to bully political critics but makes our military Mirandize terrorists and our Navy beg to board Stalinist ships bearing WMDs.

177 posted on 06/15/2009 10:17:59 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 176 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo
Bunch of pictures from Tehran :

mousavi1388's photostream


178 posted on 06/15/2009 10:45:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Guess this might work better:


179 posted on 06/15/2009 10:46:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

180 posted on 06/15/2009 10:48:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 179 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

181 posted on 06/15/2009 10:49:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 179 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

182 posted on 06/15/2009 10:51:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

183 posted on 06/15/2009 10:53:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 182 | View Replies]

To: calex59

I wondered when that would happen. Will twitter be next?


184 posted on 06/15/2009 10:53:25 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That's a lot of people.

That's enough people for a revolution.

185 posted on 06/15/2009 10:59:34 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo

That was my thought...if they all had weapons....that would be a serious deal!


186 posted on 06/15/2009 11:23:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 185 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If Khamenei "strikes hard" he may invigorate the revolution rather than intimidate it.

If he attempts Gorbachev-like liberalization he may lose control just the same.

Ahmadinejad in Moscow--if he is cagey, he will confer with cagey-bee.

Only ruthless, cunning repression of a certain type could succeed--

--for which Ahmadinejad should be booking flights on to Beijing.

An exchange student from China told a radio host last month that they are taught that Tiananmen involved one soldier who dropped his weapon and accidentally killed one student-demonstrator.

Iran has too many cell phones--

Can we just get along--dispatch James Earl Carter immediately without escort to wander alone in the sea of seething dissatisfaction.

Karma coming home to roost.

187 posted on 06/15/2009 11:31:33 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 186 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's state radio says seven people died in clashes in Tehran after an "unauthorized gathering" following a mass rally over alleged election fraud.
The radio report says the seven died in shooting that erupted after several people at the gathering Monday night in western Tehran "tried to attack a military location."
More than 100,000 opponents of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had marched through Tehran earlier Monday protesting alleged vote rigging in last week's elections.
The report Tuesday gave no details. It was the first official confirmation of the shooting in Tehran's Azadi Square. Witnesses there saw at least one person shot dead and several others seriously wounded after shooting from a compound for volunteer militia linked to Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard

This is starting to look serious.

188 posted on 06/15/2009 11:41:18 PM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 187 | View Replies]

To: MestaMachine
CNN has a report on that:

7 killed in attack in Tehran; Moussavi vows to 'pay any cost'

189 posted on 06/15/2009 11:47:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: All

Signing off....nite


190 posted on 06/15/2009 11:48:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]

To: MestaMachine
Yeah, his going to hide with Putin--makes me think of Ceausescu.

A sea of people.

History turns on such things.

It's for the people to go from knowing they've been manipulated and repressed, to identifying and deposing the manipulator-repressors.

It's a huge leap from being supporters of other candidates to realizing these same candidates may well be more alike than different from Khamenei-Ahmadinejad.

I will urge our congressmen and senators and president to act.

After all, the whole world is watching.

191 posted on 06/15/2009 11:49:23 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That blue-lipped phreek in the Whitehouse never uttered a single word of support for these people. Damn him...and the machine he rode in on!


192 posted on 06/15/2009 11:51:07 PM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo

I can’t find any news outlet that confirms the Russian story.


193 posted on 06/15/2009 11:56:30 PM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: PhilDragoo

I take it back. Now I found a ton of them. Doesn’t seem like he should be nywhere but Iran right now. That pic of him and Putin...
Putin looks fit to be tied and Homodinejad looks like a scared rabbit.


194 posted on 06/16/2009 12:00:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: Texas Eagle
Where’s the CIA?
I think they're attending Sensitivity Training seminars.

They've been told not to do anything until they've been issued their 'Miranda rights' card.

195 posted on 06/16/2009 12:05:54 AM PDT by BluH2o
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
Hope you have an unlimited calling plan:

Start with the guy in the red shirt!

196 posted on 06/16/2009 7:01:41 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies]

To: Who is John Galt?

The “right” and the “right wing” and “conservatives” are the people who wish to maintain the “old regime.” The Old Regime in Iran is the Mullahs and their puppet government. In the US the Old Regime is the Constitution and the Declaration, free markets. etc.


197 posted on 06/18/2009 1:34:51 PM PDT by arthurus (ACORN + Amnesty = Venezuelan Democracy in the USSSA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Huffington Post, June 19 2009 10:39 AM:

There Will Be Blood -- Exclusive Interview With an Iranian Journalist in Tehran

Through the night, primarily through intermittent internet connection I have been able to talk with Iranian photo-journalist NS (she does not want her name used, for obvious reasons). NS has been in the middle of the protests. While the interview text below was compiled before the sermon, a later communication tells me this: Like many others, she is enraged by the "khutba" (Friday sermon) of the Ayatollah Khamenei which will now open the doors for a Tiananmen in Tehran. Saturday will likely be the bloodiest day so far, if the brave crowds decide to come out. Another friend from Tehran cried on the phone, after he had been to Tehran University to pray and hear the Ayatollah's sermon. His last words to me before the mobile phone connection was cut off were: "Tomorrow there will be blood."

198 posted on 06/19/2009 10:10:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

Thanks,...


199 posted on 06/21/2009 11:46:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 198 | View Replies]

To: arthurus
The Old Regime in Iran is the Mullahs and their puppet government. In the US the Old Regime is the Constitution and the Declaration, free markets. etc.

Actually, the "Old Regime in Iran" would be the Shah - the Mullahs are nothing but wet-behind-the-ears, rabble-rousing terrorists. And even a government led by a shah is hardly comparable to "the Old Regime" in these United States, which you suggest "is the Constitution and the Declaration, free markets. etc."

200 posted on 06/24/2009 2:53:05 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 197 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-204 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson