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Apologies for the past are due Chinese descendants
MercuryNews.com ^ | 06/16/2009 | Patty Fisher

Posted on 06/17/2009 6:31:42 PM PDT by artichokegrower

Assemblyman Paul Fong, D-Mountain View, wants us to remember that when the Statue of Liberty was unveiled in New York Harbor in 1886, welcoming immigrants from around the world to America, there should have been a sign posted in front that said: "Everyone except Chinese."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; china; chineseamericans; fong; immigration; whiner
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I am soooo sorry
1 posted on 06/17/2009 6:31:42 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

They got their “sorry” in WWII and repaid our kindness and sacrifice with communism.


2 posted on 06/17/2009 6:33:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: artichokegrower

Apologies for what?? For how their own country treated them?? The US has every right to make its own immigration policies and no reason to apologize for them


3 posted on 06/17/2009 6:34:00 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: artichokegrower
Apologies are due to no one who are the victims of past bad acts. Did the Chinese of the past treat everyone well? Did the Spanish? Did the Poruguese? Did the Arabs? Did the Persians? Did the Belgians? Did the British?

Sh!t happens, and it has throughout the histor of the world.

4 posted on 06/17/2009 6:34:35 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: artichokegrower

Didn’t much care for Irish either. We got over it.


5 posted on 06/17/2009 6:35:10 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: artichokegrower

Get in line, Fong.

My Italian grandparents were not treated particularly well upon their arrival either.

They chose to simply shut up, learn the English language and become Americans.


6 posted on 06/17/2009 6:36:45 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: artichokegrower

If we must start getting technical, the Chinese have 4000 years of history to apologize for - think of all the people they’ve pissed off during that time!


7 posted on 06/17/2009 6:37:30 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: artichokegrower

I live in a world of emotional cripples.


8 posted on 06/17/2009 6:38:26 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Bahbah

Well, I want an apology from the Celts for the way they treated my Pictish ancestors.


9 posted on 06/17/2009 6:38:41 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: artichokegrower

Sorry FOR WHAT?

Japanese forces ran rampant in China for over 15 years before their loss to the USA had the effect of EJECTING them. Had US forces not done what they did, Manchuria would still be JAPAN, as would be Taiwan.

The Chinese prevailed in WW2 because ***AMERICA ENABLED IT****

He owes us a thank you.


10 posted on 06/17/2009 6:39:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: artichokegrower

Xie xie Mr Fong. Now STFU and get over it. Either that, or go back to China and fix the plethora of problems there so that you don’t have to endure American history.


11 posted on 06/17/2009 6:39:26 PM PDT by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: artichokegrower
If I remember correctly, the Flying Tigers (US pilots) went to China pre-WWII to help the Chinese combat the Japanese. I don't remember ever hearing the Chinese thank them for doing that. This idiot politician is a white hating oriental. Only in the Bay Area of California do the politicians think about crap like this. California should make the politicians only work part time. They have too much time and our money on their hands to think of stuff like this.
12 posted on 06/17/2009 6:39:58 PM PDT by antiunion person (The Obama administration is the same as a cosmic black hole.)
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To: artichokegrower

uh. oh. How much $ ?


13 posted on 06/17/2009 6:40:16 PM PDT by 386wt (Clinging to my clunker here in Ruralville...)
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To: artichokegrower

Thanks to Barry, the age of apologism (another form of historical revisionism and political correctness) has not only been ushered in but has become the accepted norm.

Excuse me, I need to go outside and barf.


14 posted on 06/17/2009 6:40:17 PM PDT by cranked
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To: artichokegrower

Send this guy the old “Irish need not apply” posters.


15 posted on 06/17/2009 6:42:11 PM PDT by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: LegendHasIt

I want an apology from the Chinese for how the Mongols treated my Ukrainian ancestors.


16 posted on 06/17/2009 6:42:24 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: artichokegrower

I want an apology for MSG.


17 posted on 06/17/2009 6:42:31 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: artichokegrower

This is ridiculous....it is not part of Chinese culture to see ourselves as victims, but conquerers...chee


18 posted on 06/17/2009 6:43:23 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: artichokegrower

Move back to ******* China if you think this country owes you an apology. When will China apologise for slaugtering what 50 million or more of its own countrymen during Mao’s reign???? Where is the apology for Chinese men and arms killing tens of thousands of US soldiers and sailors during the Korean and Vietnam war. STFU you loser.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 6:43:48 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: EyeGuy
My Italian grandparents were not treated particularly well upon their arrival either.

actually, that would have been ok, the chinese were totally excluded from coming by law. they did not get the chance to be mistreated like your grandparents.

20 posted on 06/17/2009 6:44:25 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Bahbah
All right... we'll give some land to the ni**ers and the ch*nks. But we don't want the Irish!
21 posted on 06/17/2009 6:44:34 PM PDT by GSP.FAN
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To: GSP.FAN

LOL.


22 posted on 06/17/2009 6:45:41 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: cripplecreek
They got their “sorry” in WWII and repaid our kindness and sacrifice with communism.

Japan invaded china. After Pearl, the US decided it would be helpful to both sides if they fought the common enemy, Japan. Before Pearl, the US did nothing to stop the Japanese attacks on China.

Perhaps you could elucidate the kindness the US supplied to China that was not self interest ?

23 posted on 06/17/2009 6:46:49 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Dumber than a box of rocks ain’t ya boy?


24 posted on 06/17/2009 6:49:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: staytrue

So what.

Beyond that specific example, the larger point is that there are numerous instances throughout history where one group of people has mistreated another.

The Chinese are as guilty as anyone.


25 posted on 06/17/2009 6:50:33 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: artichokegrower

I was in the 3rd grade and standing in the lunch line when a classmate, his name was Ron Spinner, borrowed 4 cents from me so that he could buy a small carton of milk. He promised to pay me back the next week.

What I didn’t realize at the time is that we had only 4 more days of school before summer break.

Ron Spinner, a thief, never paid me for that 4 cent loan and if I were to see him today, I would not accept an apology. I would want my 4 cents, interest for over 50 years, and then I would kick his butt all over the schoolyard.. er .. I mean, parking lot.

My point is.... nothing, but don’t ever try to screw me out of so much as a penny. ;>)


26 posted on 06/17/2009 6:50:40 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: GSP.FAN

As a NATIVE American, this entire subject is overly ironic.


27 posted on 06/17/2009 6:50:49 PM PDT by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: cripplecreek

I just love your use of standard american english.


28 posted on 06/17/2009 6:51:02 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

And you need to study WWII a lot better before using your keyboard.


29 posted on 06/17/2009 6:53:17 PM PDT by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: datura

Yes.I can understand how you might feel that way..


30 posted on 06/17/2009 6:55:50 PM PDT by GSP.FAN
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To: artichokegrower

I think we should apologize the day China decides to invite tens of millions of illiterate and non-ethnic Chinese foreigners to settle there.


31 posted on 06/17/2009 6:58:27 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: artichokegrower

More victims!


32 posted on 06/17/2009 7:00:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: artichokegrower

Does anyone have that poster of the soldier with the big cup of coffee?


33 posted on 06/17/2009 7:02:02 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: staytrue
actually, that would have been ok, the chinese were totally excluded from coming by law. they did not get the chance to be mistreated like your grandparents.

And what's wrong with that? It's up to a country's citizens to decide who they want or do not want in it. If they can't decide even that, then in what sense is a country theirs? You don't see me giving China a hard time about not accepting tens of millions of African immigrants.

34 posted on 06/17/2009 7:03:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei
It's up to a country's citizens to decide who they want or do not want in it.

Ok, so you admit that the USA decided they do not want chinese, they don't like chinese and before 1960, no way in hell were they going to let chinese in (except for brides US GI's wanted to bring home as wives).

35 posted on 06/17/2009 7:09:35 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue
Before Pearl, the US did nothing to stop the Japanese attacks on China.

Look up Claire Lee Chennault and get back to us.

36 posted on 06/17/2009 7:12:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: staytrue
Ok, so you admit that the USA decided they do not want chinese, they don't like chinese and before 1960, no way in hell were they going to let chinese in (except for brides US GI's wanted to bring home as wives).

Is there anything wrong with that? Have Chinese ever wanted Africans? Will China ever admit tens of millions of Africans? By your non-answer, you've admitted that the Chinese have never wanted Africans and probably will never want them by the tens of millions.

37 posted on 06/17/2009 7:24:45 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: staytrue

Perhaps you could elucidate the kindness the China supplied to the U.S. that was not self-interest.


38 posted on 06/17/2009 7:26:22 PM PDT by ruination
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To: artichokegrower
Assemblyman Paul Fong, D-Mountain View, wants us to remember that when the Statue of Liberty was unveiled in New York Harbor in 1886, welcoming immigrants from around the world to America, there should have been a sign posted in front that said: "Everyone except Chinese."

My grandparents didn't get to the United States until well until the 20th century. Do I still have to apologize?

39 posted on 06/17/2009 7:28:31 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Kenya tell me where Obama was born?)
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Oh, goody. Another mea culpa is due some unsung victims of Western oppression.

Stuff it.

40 posted on 06/17/2009 7:30:51 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: artichokegrower

Chinese-Americans should get their satisfaction by slowly taking control of all the high paying jobs. Wait, never mind. LOL.


41 posted on 06/17/2009 7:31:20 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: staytrue

“Before Pearl, the US did nothing to stop the Japanese attacks on China.”

Rubbish. Perhaps you should read more about US FedGov and civilian reactions to events like the Mukden Incident (1931, well before Pearl) and the Nanking Massacre before you chastise others for their ignorance. As every schoolboy should know, official (and some unnoficial) US military, financial, and diplomatic support to the Chinese/KMT during the so-called Showa War was the major factor that contributed to the Imperial Japanese attack at Pearl.

>>> Perhaps you could elucidate the kindness the US supplied to China that was not self interest ? <<<

Straw man. Perhaps you can explain how self-interest AND kindness/compassion cannot be attributed to the US and other countries at the time. The presence of one does not exclude the other.


42 posted on 06/17/2009 7:33:17 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: staytrue

You should study the history of the war during the 30s in Asia....


43 posted on 06/17/2009 7:39:36 PM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: artichokegrower
Where did people get the idea that the Statue of Liberty was created and put there to serve as a welcoming sign for immigrants? It wasn't.

The real story:

The people of France gave the Statue to the people of the United States over one hundred years ago in recognition of a friendship established during the American Revolution. Over the years, the meanings of the Statue have grown until she has become an international icon of freedom and liberty, the most recognizable symbol of democracy in the world.

The idea of the Statue originated around 1865 with Edouard de Laboulaye who saw the United States as a country that had proved that democracy was a viable type of government- after all they had just survived a Civil War and abolished slavery. De Laboulaye also saw the gift as a way to reflect his wish for a democracy in France.

44 posted on 06/17/2009 7:48:32 PM PDT by ruination
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To: staytrue

o.k. o.k. so solly. Now get your ass back to the wok.


45 posted on 06/17/2009 7:51:35 PM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: Poe White Trash

Here is the deal, heads I win, tails you lose.

heads: the US aids China against Japan before Pearl.

That would mean Japan may have had a good excuse to attack Pearl and all the US indignation is misplaced.

tails: the US does not aid China until after Pearl.

That would mean the US had nothing but self interest in helping china beat japan.

You won’t win the argument.

The white people in the US have been decent enough, but in the recent past, they have been racist bigots, but not anymore than normal and maybe less than normal.

Get over it, it’s a fact.


46 posted on 06/17/2009 7:51:41 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

What’s that they call white people in China? Oh, it oozes kindness to foreigners. Occidentals. Gweilo’s.

Pfft. My grandparents worked their butts of for very very little money and a shack from the coal company. Cry me a river.


47 posted on 06/17/2009 8:01:27 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: GSP.FAN

Free Republic is very fair. Every ethnic group and religion is open for criticism and insult. Praise too


48 posted on 06/17/2009 8:05:52 PM PDT by dennisw ("stealth tribal warfare" is what the Sotomayor nomination is about)
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To: staytrue

>>> heads: the US aids China against Japan before Pearl.

That would mean Japan may have had a good excuse to attack Pearl and all the US indignation is misplaced. <<<

It’s an indisputable historical fact that agents of the US FedGov placed restrictions on Japanese finances, gave support in men and materiel to the KMT, and supported China in many other ways BEFORE America’s entry into the Showa War. What I think of it in light of the attack at Pearl matters little. If you think there’s a case to be made for the Imperial Japanes sneak-attack, please enlighten us.

>>> tails: the US does not aid China until after Pearl. <<<

Why would any sane person who is not woefully ignorant of 20th century history make this argument? It’s simply not true. I would guess that even the most hard-core right-wing Japanese doesn’t believe this.

>>> You won’t win the argument. <<<

Ummm... what argument? I don’t see an argument here — just a statement by you that you don’t want to argue.

Fair enough — but if you continue to misrepresent the historical record, I (and others) will continue to post corrections.

>>> The white people in the US have been decent enough, but in the recent past, they have been racist bigots, but not anymore than normal and maybe less than normal. <<<

“White people”? When I was in Taiwan, me and my paler US friends jokingly referred to ourselves as “honky-ren.” Don’t remember anyone there, friend or stranger, calling me a “white person.” Perhaps they aren’t as race-obsessed as you are.

As for US racism — jackass Californians and their Yellow Peril nonsense — there’s no doubt about it. However, given the long history of not just trade and diplomatic but humanitarian and missionary-based relations between the US and China, I’d claim that THAT racism was only “skin-deep.” The US willingness to support the KMT/China long before Pearl only underscores this.


49 posted on 06/17/2009 8:21:19 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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Like Bruce Lee wants an apology from Jackie Chan for ever having made ‘The Tuxedo’, but he ain’t gonna get it.

[img src=”http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/5012_303x286.jpg";>

Not in this life.


50 posted on 06/17/2009 8:23:26 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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