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Barney Frank Pushes to Legalize Marijuana
wnd.com ^ | June 18, 2009 | staff

Posted on 06/18/2009 6:55:36 PM PDT by kellynla

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., wants to legalize marijuana and has introduced legislation that would accomplish his goals.

"Criminalizing choices that adults make because we think they are unwise ones, when the choices involved have no negative effect on the rights of others, is not appropriate in a free society," he said in his new announcement about his plans for two bills.

One proposal would remove federal penalties for using marijuana and the second would let people in states where "medical marijuana" is allowed use it freely.

The cosponsors on the bills include Reps. Ron Paul, R-Texas and Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y.

"To those who say that the government should not be encouraging the smoking of marijuana, my response is that I completely agree," Frank's statement said. "But it is a great mistake to divide all human activity into two categories: those that are criminally prohibited, and those that are encouraged."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; barneyfrank; bhowod; dope; marijuana; potheads; wod
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To: boatbums

Making it legal will most certainly take a lot of the profit out of illegal distribution.


51 posted on 06/18/2009 8:21:37 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: ChrisInAR

ChrisInAR: “We’re not...we care about FREEDOM & limiting the powers of government.”

Ah, but freedom requires responsibility. You can’t have one without the other.

Lack of individual restraint (aka morality) and the ability to take responsibility for one’s own actions are prime reasons why government is expanding.

Although Americans might be in favor of pot legalization, the potheads will have to show restraint. Ah, but the illegal use of pot (now) already proves many don’t have restraint. Therefore, the pendulum will likely swing back to criminalization, much like the increasing attempts by government to stamp out irresponsible use of alcohol.


52 posted on 06/18/2009 8:23:28 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: ChrisInAR

ChrisInAR: “It’s ridiculous to even think that I worship it...it’s just a PLANT, & nothing more. I worship the Creator, not the creation.”

I’m only going by the way you lovingly described it.


53 posted on 06/18/2009 8:24:56 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: kellynla

Just what this country needs...everyone at home stoned, never leaving the house.

Talk about a bunch of pushovers. We’d lose this country for sure, and no one would even notice.


54 posted on 06/18/2009 8:29:01 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: CitizenUSA
I understand....I bet there are lots of ways that you say you love your spouse / dog / vehicle / parents, etc., is there not? Let me count the ways....but that doesn't mean that we worship them. I'll leave that hob to the Rastafarians in Jamaica.
55 posted on 06/18/2009 8:35:08 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: CitizenUSA

The vast majority of those of us who use do so responsibly. Please read the link I provided in post #33.


56 posted on 06/18/2009 8:39:49 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: kellynla

Barney wants to tax pot.


57 posted on 06/18/2009 8:53:17 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: kellynla

I’m for legalizing it but it does pose a great dilemma. How would law enforcement test for driving while stoned? Since we have DWI laws we would have to apply some standard to marijuana. So do we have random piss sample stops now? Draw a vile of blood?


58 posted on 06/18/2009 9:04:14 PM PDT by byteback
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To: hoosierham

“Marijuana smokers are,like,laid back...you know...,and like,don’t get too excited over politics and stuff like that,you know....”

Shirely you jest....


59 posted on 06/18/2009 9:08:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: kellynla

Maybe he can’t get his “partners” to bend over unless they are stoned!


60 posted on 06/18/2009 9:11:19 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: kellynla

In the UK, isn’t that called, “smoking fags”...no, thats cigarettes...sorry...


61 posted on 06/18/2009 9:33:05 PM PDT by wac3rd (80 Carter/Obama 08)
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To: kellynla

Like I had something to say here but I forget what it is.

parsy, who has just opened a bag of chips.


62 posted on 06/18/2009 9:53:24 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: mysterio

They should legalize tobacco use after pot.


63 posted on 06/18/2009 9:53:46 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: kellynla

Oh, now I remember. . .maybe this is why Barney forgot to monitor Fannie Mae.

parsy, who uh . . .whatever


64 posted on 06/18/2009 9:57:29 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: IrishPennant

Just something else addictive to tax the crappola out of.


65 posted on 06/18/2009 10:00:44 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: truthfreedom

Take a lot of bloody Mexicans out of our National forests growing illegal pot. There are certain places in Oregon where it is really not at all safe to go, and I ain’t talkin about sasquatch here either.


66 posted on 06/18/2009 10:21:06 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: kellynla

The number of Americans in jail for simple possession of small amounts of marijuana is probably ZERO.

Almost ALL jail time marijuana cases involve probation or bail violations, or possession by inmates, or DUI with possession, or sale to minors, or criminal cases where defendants plead down from a more serious crime to simple possession.

If you are not on probation or out on bail, if you have no outstanding warrants, and if you are not driving a vehicle, nine times out of ten the police will make you dump your bag out in the street or flush it down the toilet.


67 posted on 06/18/2009 10:24:41 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: I_Like_Spam
As far as “medicinal marijuana”, I don’t see why its even considered. Delivering an accurate, measurable dosage of a drug through smoking is impossible. In addition, the active ingrediant in marijuana- THC- has already been synthesized into pill form. The utility of medicinal marijuana is at best very, very limited.

And exactly why is an "accurate, measurable dose" necessary or even desirable?

1. Smoking is a very fast, very effective way of getting a drug into the blood stream.

2. The patient self-regulates the dose based on his own feedback.

Now, let me tell you one of the dirtiest secrets of medicine: A laboratory rat gets a better dose of medicine than you do.

When animal drug studies are done, the dosage is measured in mg of drug per kg of body weight. Each rat gets a slightly different dose depending on what that particular rat weighs.

Go to human trials and you get the same thing, a dosage per kg of body weight.

Get approved for general use, and suddenly it is "two pills for an adult, and one for a child". The adult can be a 50 kg woman, or a 150 kg man. The actual dose is known, but since it is no longer tailored to body weight, all that research data is pretty useless.

As a 90+ kg man I almost always get too little, a 50 kg woman gets too much. So much for science.

68 posted on 06/18/2009 10:33:02 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: byteback
I’m for legalizing it but it does pose a great dilemma. How would law enforcement test for driving while stoned? Since we have DWI laws we would have to apply some standard to marijuana. So do we have random piss sample stops now? Draw a vile of blood?

The lack of a means of determining the lack of impairment is no excuse for making a substance illegal.

Somehow all civilizations in the past 2000 years have found a way to deal with alcohol impairment despite the fact that the breathalyzer wasn't invented until 1954.

69 posted on 06/18/2009 10:38:33 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: kellynla

Hasn’t this guy done enough damage?


70 posted on 06/18/2009 10:43:36 PM PDT by Cymbaline (Bipartisan consensus - that's like when my doctor and my lawyer agree with my wife that I need help.)
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To: kellynla

Is this really how Congress should be spending it’s time?

Decriminalize marijuana and set a date 4 years on to review the results.

Then maybe we could talk about cutting taxes and cutting government spending.

As a show of good faith, Congress should pass a law whereby they all spend the next 4 years using the health plan they want us to use.

After 4 years, then we can review the results and talk about whether they think it’s a good system.


71 posted on 06/18/2009 10:44:36 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!)
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To: BreezyDog

Pot is safer than alcohol.


72 posted on 06/18/2009 10:57:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: hoosierham
Well, there are drugs like PCP where people actually try to resort to cannibalism and those stories are truly gruesome.

You have crack and meth which, if hooked, turns people into zombies where they will steal from their mothers while they are experiencing permanent physical and psychological damage. There should be a war on these drugs.

There should also be a war on foreign sources of marijuana because they put our border patrol and neighborhood in danger.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody should be able to grow their own sources of pot up to a certain limit. Just as long as they smoke at home and stay at home while under the influence. That eliminates the market for pot via street gangs,

73 posted on 06/18/2009 11:44:48 PM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: parsifal

Don’t you hate it when pots seeds get into your keyboard?


74 posted on 06/19/2009 5:01:25 AM PDT by central_va
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To: I_Like_Spam
In addition, the active ingrediant in marijuana- THC- has already been synthesized into pill form

Oh really now...have you ever tried to keep a pill down when you are puking your guts up from chemo?

75 posted on 06/19/2009 5:38:50 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Good point, I didn’t think of that.

Perhaps transdermal, IV or suppository forms of the drug can be developed for patients with extreme nausea due to chemo or other reasons.


76 posted on 06/19/2009 5:47:27 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: byteback
I’m for legalizing it but it does pose a great dilemma. How would law enforcement test for driving while stoned? Since we have DWI laws we would have to apply some standard to marijuana. So do we have random piss sample stops now? Draw a vile of blood?

I don't think it's all that difficult: if a cop smells pot smoke in a vehicle, then give the driver a blood test -- that will determine if the user has marijuana in his / her system at that moment. All a urine test can do is tell whether or not marijuana has been used by a person w/in the last 2 months or so.

77 posted on 06/19/2009 6:05:52 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Danae
Just something else addictive to tax the crappola out of.

Marijuana isn't physically addictive. I oftentimes go w/o smoking pot...the supply may be low, I have other things to do, or I'm just not interested @ the time. It doesn't bother me one bit. Out of all of the ppl I have met that use marijuana, not one person has told me that they can't go w/o it.

Now w/ cigarettes, that's a totally different story -- I can speak from personal experience on that as well. B4 I quit smoking tobacco, I couldn't go for more than 2 or 3 hrs w/o having that nicotine craving hit me again. My 4 & 1/2 month long quitting process was pure hell!

78 posted on 06/19/2009 6:14:59 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: zeestephen
...nine times out of ten the police will make you dump your bag out in the street or flush it down the toilet.

I hope that one day soon that will become ZERO out of ten. Let my people go!

79 posted on 06/19/2009 6:19:43 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Cedar
Just what this country needs...everyone at home stoned, never leaving the house.

This might actually work... people need to leave the house to vote, right?

80 posted on 06/19/2009 6:20:08 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: IrishPennant
One stupid hobby of George Soros has always been to legalize pot. I cannot figure that one out...to what end???

Rather than worry about every whim of George Soros, maybe we could look at it from the aspect of our own interests, and see what we think about things instead?

81 posted on 06/19/2009 6:23:15 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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To: kellynla

Keep the general public mentally numb, lethargic and sedated first. Then take total control of every aspect of their lives.


82 posted on 06/19/2009 6:24:45 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Bread and circuses.....what new


83 posted on 06/19/2009 8:01:52 AM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: ChrisInAR
Even a stopped cwock is right twice a day!
84 posted on 06/19/2009 8:07:12 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: ChrisInAR

Sorry, I am calling you on that BS.

I grew up with two parents addicted to the stuff, and they will be the FIRST to tell you that it IS Addictive. They smoked and would try to quit only to go right back to it for 50 thats right FIFTY years. So don’t tell me its not addictive. I went through the rough times in the 80’s eating baked beans and hot dogs, but mom and dad had their weed. They chose their drugs over food.

Don’t tell me some BS that its not addictive. Some people can give up coffee in nothing flat with no effort. Others cigarettes, or Alcohol. Perhaps you have a system where it is easy for you to lay it down and walk away. But I BET you always go back to it don’t you? That is the definition of addiction, you always go back to it.

On top of that, its a crutch. It allows you to utterly let go of anxiety and worry and makes you feel happy. Its a break from reality. Well perhaps that works for you, but for those of us who have stuff to do, getting hooked on weed ONLY reduces your motivation and encourages you to relax. Personally I have too much to do, and have concerns too big to relax about. I have people counting on me to be sharp and on my game, not off in a corner giggling waiting for the next slice of happy pizza to come my way.

That all being said, I am neutral on the legalization issue. Only because I KNOW its addictive, and I know what I suffered at the hands of my parents every time they tried to quit, miserable comes to mind. I know I suffered from their inattention when they were stoned, when I needed them they were gored, and I was on my own. They would be too far into their own high to recognize the needs of their kids. Nice hua. Want to be a parent like that, its your choice, but its one I won’t put my kids through. I lived it from their point of view, I don’t need to force them to go through what I did, that would be the height of stupidity.

I digress,

If it were not for those things, I would be for legalizing it. Because it has created a whole underworld of corruption, and a ton of crime, and police resources wasted along with jail space for a plant. We have been denied the great uses of hemp fiber, and could easily make a number of industries overnight if we could legally grow it and farm it and use it as a fast growing natural resource. I think it could have great benefits.
If it were not for what I suffered from two addicted to Pot Parents, I would agree with you, however, my life experience has taught me a totally different lesson. I know addiction from the point of view of a child living with addicted parents. That is not something I can ever forget. Its part of who I am.

It is Addictive, just as alcohol is. It is no where near as deadly, you can not OD on Pot. I think Alcohol is far more dangerous than Pot. If Pot were regulated, just as alcohol is, I would have to rethink my position. But just legalizing it unregulated is something that worries me a fair bit.


85 posted on 06/19/2009 8:57:03 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae
I'm sorry to hear about your parents. That's a lil hard for me to believe, considering the fact that I have no prob whatsoever when I go w/o it & have never heard anyone else that I know having problems, either...but I'll take your word for it.

Your story kinda reminds me of my sister & her 2 kids: they told me horror stories about Sis' ex-husband, who was an alcoholic. The kids would have to step over him when they went to bed 'cuz he would be laying on the floor drunk.

I never said it should be legalized & unregulated. I think a minimum toking age of 21 or 25 makes sense. Please read the info on the link I provided @ the bottom of post #33 on this thread, will you?

86 posted on 06/19/2009 10:13:17 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ChrisInAR

It’s real, I lived it. I was born in Honolulu Hawaii in 1969 and let me tell you, it was ALWAYS around. I know my parents were addicted to it, they were the first to admit it and tell us not to make the same “Idiotic stupid choice” they did. I listened. I think I am better off for it, and I know that two 60+ adults agree.


87 posted on 06/19/2009 10:26:07 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae

Agree with you and from personal experience smoking the stuff for years.

If not for the Lord getting me off it, I’d still be “high” daily and not very much help to anyone, just stoned. Really a selfish life.


88 posted on 06/19/2009 12:50:34 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: I_Like_Spam

Perhaps transdermal, IV or suppository forms of the drug can be developed for patients with extreme nausea due to chemo or other reasons.
_______

LOL. How about something much simpler, I don’t know, like smoking it? No delivery system development necessary.


89 posted on 06/19/2009 1:18:47 PM PDT by dmz
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To: netmilsmom

Thank GOD we don’t have a legal drug out there that lulls the masses!

Sincerely,

Jack Daniels


90 posted on 06/21/2009 9:29:50 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: kellynla
I have not smoked marijuana in over 20 years (and probably smoked less than 10 joints in my life). I totally support it's legalization as long as we can convince users that they smell really bad from the smoke.
91 posted on 06/21/2009 9:34:21 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: CitizenUSA
I mean, I’d engage in some introspection if I valued any recreational drug, including alcohol, that highly.

Really...

Make a thread here about possibly criminalizing alcohol. I'd bet the farm that the outcry here would be absolutely overwhelming.

Would all those people need some introspection since they would value alcohol that much?

92 posted on 06/21/2009 9:35:40 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: Nate505

I don’t know about you but I’ve known my share of drunks and pot smokers.

Drunks drink until they puke or pass out
Pot smokers continue to function, and staring out into space.

Thanks Jack.


93 posted on 06/21/2009 9:41:29 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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