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We (the government) will decide if you are too old to live.
ABC ^ | 6-24-09 | Obama

Posted on 06/25/2009 8:10:10 AM PDT by Indy Pendance

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STURM:My question to you is, outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, quality of life? Or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?

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GIBSON: But the money may not have been there for her pacemaker or for your grandmother's hip replacement.

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OBAMA: But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.

And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decision, and that -- that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that's something we can achieve.

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An elderly woman received a pacemaker when she was 100 years old. She's now 105 and thriving. This is Obama's response. Give her pills and let her die. This is on page two at the link.
1 posted on 06/25/2009 8:10:10 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Mengele Obama.


2 posted on 06/25/2009 8:11:49 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Oh don't be so melodramatic. Obama is kindly removing the pain of life or death decisions from the hands of families. Do you want to inflict that kind of pain on your loved ones?

[/sarc]
3 posted on 06/25/2009 8:12:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Indy Pendance

"Enter the Carousel. This is the time of renewal."

4 posted on 06/25/2009 8:14:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Indy Pendance
Obama just isn't right in the head. He's argued that a woman who wants an abortion is entitled to a dead baby anyway, even if the kid survives. Now he's telling us that extending the life of the elderly (or badly wounded) is just not worth it for anyone.

The man is a heartless bastard.

5 posted on 06/25/2009 8:14:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Indy Pendance

Okay bottom line is this guy is an asshole.

I take care of a friend who is 99 next week. For 20 years she has been my date to the ballet, dinners and someone I talk to and visit with.

When at the ballet gala’s we danced and I love her. Though she is some 60 years my senior. If you met her, you couldn’t help but be infected by her humor and amazed at her energy.

2 years ago she fell and broke her hip. She had a fine surgeon and he put 4 pins in to help it heal.

Unfortunately, the pins came loose and they operated for the 2nd time and removed them. Life is great and we are thinking she is just so strong.

Unfortunately, when you open the body you risk infection. She got MRSA.

They gave her antibiotics and we watched her for 3 months. The MRSA deteriorated the ball of her femur so they cut it off. They also scraped off what was left of her infection and continued the antibiotics. That was the 3rd operation in 9 months.

For the next 3 three months she walked, using a walker, with no ball to go in her hip socket. The pain was excruciating.

Nearly one year to the day, she had her fourth operation. They opened her up looked around the bone to ensure there was no artifact infection. Seeing none they proceeded to replace her hip.

The operation took just 1 hour. Fantastic. Here we are nearly 1 1/2 years later and she is doing great. She has to use a walker but she is strong as ever.

A very high spirited woman who never let the bastards get her down and always sees the sun or waits for the rainbow.

Imagine. You are 97 you break your hip and it requires 4 operations to fix it and it works!

Glory to God and the finest surgeons and the teams he had helping him. Additionally, you would not find more caring nurses. She spent nearly 6 months in the hospital off and on.

Today she lives in “her house” with her cat. No one tells her what to do and she goes everywhere. And I mean everywhere. From Florida to Mexico. Dinners at restaurants, where she orders her own food. The Ballet and Gala’s, where we dance once again. Her family visits her all the time and she goes to see them.

She is loved and valued by her family and friends.

At 99 she is truly blessed and lives a full life.

And the price tag or value of her to us and us to her?

And I will repost or amend this story every time this stupid rationing or eugenics comes up.

FUBO!


6 posted on 06/25/2009 8:14:38 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: cripplecreek

My Aunt Marion is 85 and goes to Las Vegas by herself to visit friends. Obama’s got two strikes against her.


7 posted on 06/25/2009 8:15:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Indy Pendance
Deciding who lives or dies for the good of the state, to save money?????? We've seen this before:

Nazi Germany. Welcome to fascist America. Der fuhrer Obama has spoken.
8 posted on 06/25/2009 8:16:45 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: dfwgator

You know, I was commenting to a friend not long ago that a remake of Logan’s Run is due...


9 posted on 06/25/2009 8:17:10 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: Vendome

What a GREAT story! My dream....to be dancing at 99!!!


10 posted on 06/25/2009 8:17:21 AM PDT by goodnesswins (For lease)
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To: Indy Pendance

Eugenics lies at the heart of the progressive movement. ....as has for about a century.


11 posted on 06/25/2009 8:17:44 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Vendome

My grandmother-in-law lived in her own home up to the last couple weeks of her life. She had a massive stroke and had to move to a hospise. She died at 104.


12 posted on 06/25/2009 8:20:45 AM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: goodnesswins

Yep! and her 100 birthday party is already being planned. Reseravation have been made and we expect 350-400 people.


13 posted on 06/25/2009 8:20:58 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Indy Pendance

Is she a Jew!


14 posted on 06/25/2009 8:22:10 AM PDT by ncfool (The GEORGE BUSH revolution has finally arrived in Iran! Where is Obama?)
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To: muawiyah
Obama just isn't right in the head.

You can see it in all that he does. He has firmly established that he's a sociopathic narcissist, but what other "illnesses" does he have?

15 posted on 06/25/2009 8:22:10 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: Indy Pendance

Don’t plan on going past retirement age, folks.

I have decided that the Cap ‘n Tax and the Health thing are merely bills that no congress person will read. These bills will serve as blank checks to cover states’ insolvencies. Then, the taxes, fees and restrictions will provide their continuance.

Congree humans should just go home. They are irrelevant, corrupt and corrupt. Not even reading bills negates their purpose.


16 posted on 06/25/2009 8:22:34 AM PDT by combat_boots (“No heresy, no wickedness, not even the devil himself, can succeed without first counterfeiting goo)
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To: Indy Pendance

Ain’t that cool? Good for her. Do it your way, it’s your life and you don’t live with your parents.

104, that is amazing. You are lucky to have had her so long.


17 posted on 06/25/2009 8:23:15 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Indy Pendance
We (the government) will decide if you are too old to live.

We (the people) will decide if the government is too corrupt and tyrannical to exist. ...and we have the tools to enforce our decision.

18 posted on 06/25/2009 8:23:27 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Indy Pendance

Wake up America!

What “evidence” could Obama possibly have that any test or treatment given to anyone’s mom was “not really needed”?

In most hospitals they would call this medical malpractice.


19 posted on 06/25/2009 8:23:44 AM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Eugenics lies at the heart of the progressive movement. ....as has for about a century.

Yep. You hear it in the words of Al Gore when he tells children that their parents are stuck in the past with old ideas.
20 posted on 06/25/2009 8:23:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Well, Obama takes the narcissist view.

Babies are a punishment. Abort them. Grandmothers are a nuisance. Get rid of them. Mothers, too.

Christian, too, or white people. Why not help your cousin burn churches and kill women and children if it will get him into power so he can keep a close eye on your birth records and put your Kenyan family under house arrest?

Then you can go out on a date in Paris after stiffing Sarkozy, or get an ice cream with a clear conscience while Iranian girls are getting murdered by your Muslim pals, and nothing to worry about.

Is that a wart on your toe? Cut it off!


21 posted on 06/25/2009 8:23:50 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Indy Pendance

IIRC a few years ago the Ds were screaming that the Rs wanted to kill old people. Really stupid back then because the argument was not over care denial. Since care denial is a real, tangible future under ObamaCare, why isn’t some R with a backbone bringing this up?

Oh yeah ... Congressional backbones are rare.


22 posted on 06/25/2009 8:24:24 AM PDT by ByteMercenary
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To: BlueNgold

But in the new Logan’s Run they will be trying to escape a Dick Cheney look alike and fighting “global warming”.


23 posted on 06/25/2009 8:24:44 AM PDT by Feasor13
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To: ncfool

“Is she a Jew!”

Heute ist unsere Leute Juden. Alle Leute Americaniche.

(Today all our people are Jews. All American people.)


24 posted on 06/25/2009 8:25:22 AM PDT by combat_boots (“No heresy, no wickedness, not even the devil himself, can succeed without first counterfeiting goo)
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To: Indy Pendance

That is how government healthcare works.


25 posted on 06/25/2009 8:26:01 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: lonevoice

Obamacare = Geriatric Genocide


26 posted on 06/25/2009 8:26:50 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Indy Pendance
"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Welcome to Morphine Drip Nation

27 posted on 06/25/2009 8:27:03 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Life, Liberty and the Department of Happiness)
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To: Vendome

Zero’s narcissism has probably prevented him from knowing people deeply enough to appreciate them.

Thank you for reminding me of the old people I have loved. Their friendship is is priceless.


28 posted on 06/25/2009 8:27:32 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism + Hezbollah + Al Qaeda + Obama + StoneAge = CHAOS)
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To: Indy Pendance

With ANY attempt to pass health care reform should be the provision that all government employees (congress, the President, civil service, etc.) be covered under the national health care. NO EXCEPTIONS, NO ALTERNATIVES!
Result: no national health care


29 posted on 06/25/2009 8:31:47 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Apparantly he can’t think more than 2 steps ahead on any problem. This is clearly a sign of heavy use of narcotics.


30 posted on 06/25/2009 8:33:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vendome

And so are you! I’m worried about my parents. They are healthy and active, live in their own home, work part time jobs, travel to Texas in the winter and such. My dad is 80, mom is 76. When Obama was elected, my dad was sure ‘some’ democrats in congress still had the best interest of the country first. I hated to tell him I told him so, but I did. They are lifelong republicans. The elderly can not fathom what the liberals are doing to this country. They lived through FDR, but this is much worse.


31 posted on 06/25/2009 8:33:28 AM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Indy Pendance
All one needs to do is imagine the outrage in the media if Bush had announced such a plan.

And they compared Bush to Hitler!

Yes, Obama’s plan would take care of health care, Social Security and Medicare all in one.

It's disgusting. I feel physically ill every time I am exposed to the news.

I will keep trying to warn people but there is a part of me that will take great pleasure in seeing the idiots who voted for this mess suffer along with me and my loved ones.

They are working hard to ruin my life, with no apparent regret - even glee. So compared to that my mere schadenfreude is small potatoes.

32 posted on 06/25/2009 8:34:30 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Indy Pendance

Does anyone figure that when former President Obama (boy, do I love the sound of that expression) is in his old age, that this is the health plan he will be on?


33 posted on 06/25/2009 8:34:37 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: Indy Pendance

The phrase that Obozofascists dare not speak: “Life unworthy of life” [


34 posted on 06/25/2009 8:34:48 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Cicero
Maybe Obama had his cousin Odinga assist him in getting Sarah Palin's church burned.

Be worth checking up on ~

35 posted on 06/25/2009 8:34:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Indy Pendance

What Obama said was typical Obama. Words that made his evil plan sound more palatable.

We have become a shameful nation. That we would elect someone who has no value for a life, young or old.

I hope the young realize that he will be controlling every aspect of their lives. Their only purpose is to work and pay taxes so that he and his elitist scum can enjoy the fruits of their labor and the bounty of the world.

The man Obama has no sense of family, his was trash, and so is he.


36 posted on 06/25/2009 8:37:18 AM PDT by dforest (Anyone dumb enough to have voted for him deserves what they get.. No Pity!)
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To: Vendome

Lord LOVE you!
You are both blessed!


37 posted on 06/25/2009 8:37:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Indy Pendance
O is just naive and ignorant enough to believe that by using intrinsically flawed and insensitive statistical outcomes measures the government will be able to both increase quality and cut costs. Not true, and guaranteed to lead to very significant rationing. I would ask the granola eating zealots on the left this question regarding statistical outcomes analysis. “If it cannot be shown statistically that eating organic food or taking vitamin supplements prolongs life, would you agree not to buy and consume them anymore? Do you believe this proves they don't have an effect and are not better for you?” People only use the statistics that tell the story they believe.
38 posted on 06/25/2009 8:38:52 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: windcliff
Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.

Maybe people want to be drug-free. This guy is totally clueless!
39 posted on 06/25/2009 8:39:01 AM PDT by stylecouncilor (The black man is keeping me down!)
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To: Indy Pendance
Obama-Care will bring us:

* The scientific dishonesty of Global Warming The compassion of an IRS agent
* The lines of the US Postal Service or DMV
* The fiscal responsibility of the Pentagon who brought us $500 hammers and $1,000 toilet seats
* The lobbying of the wives of like Senators Daschle and Dodd
* Expansion of staff for Senators and Congressman to handle health care disputes

...and this....

The New Stasi (formerly known as ACORN) guards a geriatric clinic. Elderly shooed away told to 'Do us all a favor and go home and die'.

40 posted on 06/25/2009 8:40:44 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Indy Pendance; wagglebee; narses; 8mmMauser
Obviously, Obortion Obama does not understand that all life is precious.

Prayer for Those Who Are Terminally Ill

 
Lord Jesus, you healed so many people during your public ministry. I bring before you now, in prayer, all those who are terminally ill -- those afflicted with cancer, AIDS, and other illnesses.
 
Look lovingly and compassionately upon them. Let them feel the strength of your consolation. Help them and their families to accept this cross they are asked to carry.  Protect them from euthanasia, Lord.
 
Let them see you carrying their cross with them, at their side, as you once carried yours to Calvary. May Mary be there, too, to comfort them. 
 
Lord Jesus, I know and believe that, if it is your will, you can cure those I pray for (especially N.). I place my trust in you. I pray with faith, but I also pray as you did in Gethsemane: your will be done. 
 
Bless us, Lord, and hear my prayer. Amen.
 
Reprinted from "Queen of Apostles Prayerbook" with permission of copyright holder, Pauline Books & Media,

41 posted on 06/25/2009 8:40:44 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Thanks for posting this quote. I was looking for this earlier today. I have elderly relatives who are still active, but on prescription meds of various sorts. Obama (and sadly, some freepers) would yank their coverage and leave them to die—yet give any care needed to illegals.


42 posted on 06/25/2009 8:41:45 AM PDT by MizSterious (Enough with Barak "let them eat cake" Obama)
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To: Indy Pendance

Anyone over 50 will be too old.


43 posted on 06/25/2009 8:42:51 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (The great object is that every man be armed. - Patrick Henry)
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To: conservativegramma

Extremely relevant poster. I can guess at what it says, but not speaking German, I wonder if someone can interpret?


44 posted on 06/25/2009 8:44:22 AM PDT by MizSterious (Enough with Barak "let them eat cake" Obama)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Baby boomers voted to kill themselves in november. Change.


45 posted on 06/25/2009 8:44:43 AM PDT by omega4179 (America is a Christian Nation.)
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To: Pride in the USA

Hope with all my heart that Sarah Palin speaks out on this.


46 posted on 06/25/2009 8:45:19 AM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: MizSterious

We have to stop this! I feel like I’m living in bizarro world.


47 posted on 06/25/2009 8:45:42 AM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BlueNgold
re: You know, I was commenting to a friend not long ago that a remake of Logan’s Run is due...

Yes, and Soylent Green too. In fact, it could be made with a message that would make the environmentalists happen. You know, recycle, reuse, yada, yada, yada.

48 posted on 06/25/2009 8:45:43 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: muawiyah

Indy:

I believe that he thinks and is just like hitler:

“What luck for rulers that men do not think”.

- Adolf Hitler


49 posted on 06/25/2009 8:47:21 AM PDT by bareford101 (barefoot prince)
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To: muawiyah

Indy:

I believe that he thinks and is just like hitler:

“What luck for rulers that men do not think”.

- Adolf Hitler


50 posted on 06/25/2009 8:47:31 AM PDT by bareford101 (barefoot prince)
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