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ABC ^ | 6-24-09 | Obama

Posted on 06/25/2009 8:10:10 AM PDT by Indy Pendance

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STURM:My question to you is, outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, quality of life? Or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?

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GIBSON: But the money may not have been there for her pacemaker or for your grandmother's hip replacement.

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OBAMA: But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.

And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decision, and that -- that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that's something we can achieve.

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To: Nevadan

Don’t forget the Time Machine. This government is Warlockian.


51 posted on 06/25/2009 8:47:46 AM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Indy Pendance

My great grandmother on my mother’s side lived to 99, and was in her own home (with some help from friends, neighbors, and relatives) until the week before she passed. She enriched us all, and still does in the stories we all tell about this remarkable woman. How dare some know-nothing con artist suggest we toss people like my great grandmother under the bus?


52 posted on 06/25/2009 8:47:56 AM PDT by MizSterious (Enough with Barak "let them eat cake" Obama)
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To: Indy Pendance

I did not watch it. Did anyone suggest some savings could be had by not treating illegal immigrants in emergency rooms for every sniffle and sore throat?


53 posted on 06/25/2009 8:48:35 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: libertarian27

Purdue Pharma relealsed a CD of Big Band music when they were marketing Oxycontin to Seniors.


54 posted on 06/25/2009 8:49:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NEMDF

I didn’t watch it either, but heard this quoted from a local talk show host this morning. I doubt illegals were discussed.


55 posted on 06/25/2009 8:49:55 AM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: conservativegramma; Indy Pendance

Anyone with friends in UK knows that National Health Care wants you to die.




56 posted on 06/25/2009 8:50:02 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism + Hezbollah + Al Qaeda + Obama + StoneAge = CHAOS)
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To: bareford101
I believe that he thinks and is just like hitler:

Hitler could speak--and speak well--without a teleprompter.

Obama is a sock puppet, controlled by others who are just like Hitler. There are evil masterminds at work, but his is not one of them.

57 posted on 06/25/2009 8:51:02 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

“Eugenics lies at the heart of the progressive movement. ....as has for about a century.”

Post of the day. It laid at the heart of that other notorious national socialist movement as well.


58 posted on 06/25/2009 8:51:15 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: TChris

TChris: that is interesting.... how do you see it? how long was obamanation groomed? by whom? for what?

thank you


59 posted on 06/25/2009 8:53:17 AM PDT by bareford101 (barefoot prince)
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To: Vendome

My grandmother can no longer walk and my parent’s care for her in their home. She’ll be 92 soon and her mind is sharp as a tack! My two youngest children have a wonderful relationship with her. The bring toys to her and read to her. My kids are a constant joy to her as well. I’m so grateful for the surgeries that kept my grandma alive 3 years ago. We all love her dearly and will miss her when God is ready for her. Thankful for every day we have!


60 posted on 06/25/2009 8:54:27 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Edwin Black’s The War Against The Weak advances your opinion about Progressivism. His cast of characters reads like a roll call of early 1900s to 1940s progressivism. His subtitle is chilling, It Began on long Island and Ended in Auschwitz. Nuff said!


61 posted on 06/25/2009 8:56:25 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Mr. Mojo

You’re right...have you figured out their motive(s) yet? Why are they so bent on killing the infirm, the unborn and the old? What is it with this craziness that the left possesses on this issue?


62 posted on 06/25/2009 8:57:24 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Who ever thought we would long for the days of the Clinton administration...)
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To: Nevadan

I fixed a typo in a previous post. I intended to say make the environmentalists “happy” not “happen”.

Yes, and Soylent Green too. In fact, it could be made with a message that would make the environmentalists happy. You know, recycle, reuse, yada, yada, yada.


63 posted on 06/25/2009 8:57:28 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Indy Pendance

One thing is certain. When Congress gives Obama the ability to make life and death choices for Americans,it is over my Friends. If your above the age of Retirement & on Medicare. You are in even deeper trouble. America will soon have deep regrets for not paying attention to what Obama has been doing and will do.


64 posted on 06/25/2009 8:58:48 AM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: omega4179

Sooner or later republicans will regain the whitehouse. Will they not be able to then overturn this “killer” legislation?


65 posted on 06/25/2009 8:58:56 AM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: Indy Pendance

SHUT UP AND DIE, GRANDMA!

One of the most galling things is that all the movies and TV shows that are full of righteous anger at evil, insensitive insurance companies which “refuse” to give “life-saving treatment” because of “money” won’t even blink at the government for doing the same thing.


66 posted on 06/25/2009 9:01:28 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: Indy Pendance

perhaps this is the democrat plan to rescue/reform social security


67 posted on 06/25/2009 9:02:16 AM PDT by JG52blackman
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To: Mr. Mojo
Eugenics lies at the heart of the progressive movement. ....as has for about a century.

Absolutely -- hand-in-hand with the post-modernist philosophy that is so popular among our betters in the academic world, but by no means new.

Within the context of post-modernism, anything goes and everything is justified.....

68 posted on 06/25/2009 9:03:09 AM PDT by wolf24 ("Why can't I just eat my waffle?")
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To: Vendome

l wish l could come


69 posted on 06/25/2009 9:04:30 AM PDT by lindsay
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To: Indy Pendance
I am just curious how the AARP will portray Obama’s health care plan to seniors. Normally the AARP presents the message that Republicans want seniors to eat dog food and are plotting to take all their Medicare away. But, since Obama actually does want to severely limit senior citizens’ medical care once they become old and useless eaters, how will the AARP continue to shill for Obama and the Democrat party?
70 posted on 06/25/2009 9:06:01 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: bareford101
TChris: that is interesting.... how do you see it? how long was obamanation groomed? by whom? for what?

Here's a nice summary of the information that's out there. (The info is spread around in many other places...)

Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

William Ayers & Co. still want to destroy America; George Soros is always ready to finance such ventures.

Barack Obama is their Pinocchio.

71 posted on 06/25/2009 9:07:48 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: samiam1972

Just demonstrate your love and give them their dignity even though they don’t deserve sometimes. LOL.

When you make it to that age they just become very observant of you, everyone and the environment.

The only thing they want at this point in their life is spoil your kids. Give them some leeway, it won’t hurt and your children will be left with great memories.

I’ll bet their eyes just light up when you bring those children. They do it because they know that is their legacy and their relevancy.

Speaking of sharp as a tack. Last night I was visited by a friend whose mother will be 90 something and she also said her mother was sharp as a tack. I let my ego do a “one up” when she asked about my friend and I said well my Stella is “Sharp as a Stilleto” and pretty as a rainbow.

Thanks for replying to my post. I am going to see my friend early today and bring her flowers and just have a nice conversation.


72 posted on 06/25/2009 9:08:11 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Indy Pendance

Wow.
There is so much pathology in that highlighted excerpt-it should give every American nightmares.
“ We “ are going to let doctors know that their treatments aren’t working .
Republicans should take this clip and run with it.
Obama’s use of “ mothers “ is interesting.
Considering his own troubled and ambivalent relationship with his mother.
Refusing to visit his dying mother was very passive aggressive.


73 posted on 06/25/2009 9:09:50 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: dfwgator

Logans Run?


74 posted on 06/25/2009 9:15:52 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: Indy Pendance

That is what the fools that voted for obama wanted.... Not exactly they wanted the free ride he promised. They wanted to live off the blood and work of others. They made the mistake of believing one of Satan’s emissaries.


75 posted on 06/25/2009 9:20:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Anyone over 50 will be too old.

I'm not convinced it will stop at age. Will those with debilitating lifelong illnesses such as MS, or those with debilitating injuries such as paralysis, or those born with genetic defects such as various types of dwarfism or blindness be given care??? Will they be valuable to the state? Will it save money to NOT take care of any of these people??? How about our military veterans with serious debilitating wounds received on the battlefield be deemed too unworthy? It goes on and on.........

76 posted on 06/25/2009 9:23:07 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: Indy Pendance

The government’s decision as to who will and will not live only applies to Pubs and those who are in disagreement with it.
Our problem here in America is that there is no nation on earth that could possibly rescue us as we did in Europe. God bless the 2nd Amendment.


77 posted on 06/25/2009 9:25:36 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: netmilsmom
If I knew you and you knew her you would automatically be on the invite.

Her daughter wants no restrictions on the number of attendees.

78 posted on 06/25/2009 9:25:38 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: ByteMercenary

And the old people believed them.

And as they kill them they will tell them that it is the Republican’s fault. And they will believe them.

After all, the Democrats told them that they were the Party for the “little people”. They are too stupid to open their eyes and see for themselves.


79 posted on 06/25/2009 9:28:13 AM PDT by sport
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To: Vendome

Aww, that’s sweet, thanks!


80 posted on 06/25/2009 9:30:24 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: massgopguy

Yeah? I’ll bet your Aunt can take Obama with one hand behind her back or stunn him with one of those looks old people give. You know the one I am talking?

They just look at you wanting to point out your stupidity but feel you are some mentally lame it would be a waste of time.


81 posted on 06/25/2009 9:31:09 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Indy Pendance

How are you going to do it?


82 posted on 06/25/2009 9:31:16 AM PDT by sport
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To: conservativegramma

Or blue eyes, or blond hair or black hair, or short fingernails, or (fill in the blank)


83 posted on 06/25/2009 9:31:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Lady Jag

We are all just lucky


84 posted on 06/25/2009 9:32:06 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: omega4179

You are absolutely correct! The seeds they so gladly sowed on November 4, 2008 will in the near future be ready for harvest. When the reaping begins so does the weeping.


85 posted on 06/25/2009 9:33:58 AM PDT by sport
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To: Indy Pendance
"...We've been debating this stuff for decades."

Stuff? Stuff? My life is just STUFF in Obama's mystical world?

NO to Obama care...America takes care of her old and her young. Get any further Government out of my health care.....Impeach the b******d!...he wants to murder senior citizens in order to have more of your $$$$s to squander. This impostor scares the bejezzus out of me.

86 posted on 06/25/2009 9:35:57 AM PDT by yoe (Pay attention to what Obama does NOT what he says.)
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To: sport

Until we have real conservatives in office, I don’t know how. Until we have a super majority and rescind the regulatory and departments of stupidity, we are stuck with this. My hubby and I are trying very hard to ‘live off the grid’ so to speak. Hopefully, the libs have stepped in it so deep that the people will wake up.


87 posted on 06/25/2009 9:37:04 AM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Indy Pendance
But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.

Either Barack Obama is being very imprecise with his language, or he is one scary dude. I think the latter is true.

If I continue breathing, evidence shows it is not necessarily going to result in me living to see tomorrow. I could get hit by a bus, a bullet, or a wayward Space Toilet. By this language, no care would be justifiable unless there was a 100% guarantee that the patient would improve.

By that standard, all medical care should be suspended immediately.

88 posted on 06/25/2009 9:40:52 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (CO2 is like The Homeless. It only exists if there is a Republican in the White House.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
We (the government) will decide if you are too old to live.

We The People should begin to consider Impeachment for this president who can't even produce his birth certificate. President Bush would have had those papers served on him within hours of declaring Senior Citizens a burden to America.

WAKE UP AMERICA....OBAMA IS A TYRANT AND IS BECOMING SICKER DAY BY DAY WITH HIS DETERMINATION TO MAKE AMERICA, MY COUNTRY, A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. I can't become any more outraged. NO TO OBAMA HEALTH CARE REFORM....remind all your elected they risk not being re-elected if they vote on this worthless and damaging piece of caca.

89 posted on 06/25/2009 9:46:03 AM PDT by yoe (Pay attention to what Obama does NOT what he says.)
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To: Williams

Wake up America!

What “evidence” could Obama possibly have that any test or treatment given to anyone’s mom was “not really needed”?

In most hospitals they would call this medical malpractice.”

Boy, that NObama guy sure is busy:

He is a “god”.
He is an auto executive.
He is a Union leader.
He is a bank president.
He is a money market manager.
He is a doctor.
He is a...........

And he is a lawyer!!!


90 posted on 06/25/2009 9:47:06 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Lady Jag

Thank you for reminding me of the old people I have loved”

Define “OLD”. To a 14 year old, a 35 year old is “OLD”.


91 posted on 06/25/2009 9:48:55 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

How old is old to you?


92 posted on 06/25/2009 9:55:28 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism + Hezbollah + Al Qaeda + Obama + StoneAge = CHAOS)
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To: MizSterious
Extremely relevant poster. I can guess at what it says, but not speaking German, I wonder if someone can interpret?

Used a translator but it basically says:

(Amount of money being spent at the top) then says:

Hereditary Disease which lasts a lifetime...People of Germany its your money...The new national... then lists political party information at the bottom.

Basically its a propaganda ad supporting the Nazi position of don't waste money taking care of those who are worthless to the Fatherland, its a waste of money, etc. etc. etc.

Suffice it to say that many of those applauding Obama's new 'eliminate the elderly and infirm' money saving plan would be quite comfortable with Hitler's policies.

93 posted on 06/25/2009 9:55:40 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: samiam1972

My mother lived in her home until about a month before she died (at 94) even though she was in declining health. This winter she fractured a bone and was in excruciating pain. She had successful surgery but age caught up with her and she died about a month later. As far as I’m concerned (and the doctors too) the surgery was completely worth it.

I’m waiting for AARP to take Obama to task. /sarc


94 posted on 06/25/2009 9:55:45 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Pride in the USA

Soylent Green....The new Obama Care to cure all problems


95 posted on 06/25/2009 9:56:50 AM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: Vendome
We are all just lucky

Lucky to feel.   Unlike Zero.

96 posted on 06/25/2009 9:58:28 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism + Hezbollah + Al Qaeda + Obama + StoneAge = CHAOS)
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To: conservativegramma

Bottom line is that a socialist economy needs some workers to pay into the system (to keep it afloat and pay the annointed ones) but it can’t survive with too many non-producers. Thus the young unwanted or disabled, too old to work, dissidents and anyone else who is “surplus” or irritating has to go.


97 posted on 06/25/2009 10:00:14 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: conservativegramma
I'm not convinced it will stop at age.

I know for a fact it will not -- I already got the "live with it" brush-off back in 1998, I was 35. (It took nine years of doctor-to-doctor-to-doctor to find one with the compassion to care about me, treat me). This *Marie Antoinette, let them take a painkiller* attitude is evil incarnate.

98 posted on 06/25/2009 10:02:19 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: MozarkDawg
This *Marie Antoinette, let them take a painkiller* attitude is evil incarnate.

Yep. I'm at the point where we as a people need to seriously consider taking to the streets armed and firing and marching to D.C. If I die being bombarded by a predator drone, or hit with chemicals from a fighter, so be it. I'm not going to survive for long under Obama's care plan, so may as well go down fighting.

99 posted on 06/25/2009 10:09:02 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: Vendome
Thank you for posting about your friend, she sounds like a lovely woman -- I wish she, and you, were my neighbors.

There is so much wrong with 0bama's *example* here, it would take pages to lay out rebuttal, but one thing I'd like to point out regarding his "take a painkiller" toss-off. How many stories have you heard where painkillers were not allowed to a dying patient because the health care provider does not want to get that patient hooked? I would like to have been in that room last night to ask the follow-up, "What if that person is denied the painkiller you suggest due to the (irrational, IMMGAHO) fear of dependency??"

100 posted on 06/25/2009 10:12:29 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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