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Some Quick Thoughts on Michael Jackson
NRO ^ | June 26, 2009 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/26/2009 12:36:48 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Generally speaking, I’m a believer in the rule that we should not speak ill of the dead. Or at least we should wait a decent interval before doing so (if we never spoke ill of the dead, history would be meaningless). But, I must say I find the media’s instinctive rush to sanctify Michael Jackson disgusting.

Look, I understand that Michael Jackson was an "icon." I understand that some people loved his work and that many people who never met him believed they loved the man too.

But I didn't, and I’m hardly alone. If Michael Jackson were just another famous person, I’d probably stay silent and let the pro forma celebration of his memory roll by without comment. (For instance, I have no problem whatsoever with the media taking a moment to pay respects to Farah Fawcett).

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deadpedophile; jacko; jackson; michaeljackson; pedophile; perverts
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1 posted on 06/26/2009 12:36:48 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
Let's have a moment of silence for Michael Jackson.... Okay, time's up...
2 posted on 06/26/2009 12:40:11 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: RobinMasters

A very good read.


3 posted on 06/26/2009 12:42:07 AM PDT by Miss Behave ("WE WANT FREEDOM!")
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To: RobinMasters

The news media, Fox News included, are making Michael Jackson a celebrated pedophile.


4 posted on 06/26/2009 12:45:27 AM PDT by WesternPacific (I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils!)
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To: RobinMasters

I heard that a fellow named John Merrick wants to buy Michael’s body.


5 posted on 06/26/2009 12:45:49 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: RobinMasters
I was a teenager during Jackson's Thriller days. So in this "icon's" memory, I will listen to AC/DC all week. Maybe throw in some RUSH & Little Feat too. Ok, I was never much of a Michael Jackson fan.

Is it too early to loath the MSMs bowel inducing coverage of this yet??
7 posted on 06/26/2009 12:49:13 AM PDT by kb2614 (Cheer up, for the worst is yet to come!)
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To: Chet 99
Commemorative wallpaper..


8 posted on 06/26/2009 12:53:35 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: kb2614

Yes. Why not wait until AFTER the funeral? Then you can dance on his grave... such fun... Thriller REDUX.
/sarcasm on/

It really would be nice if some here would try to have a semblance of feeling for his family and loved ones.


9 posted on 06/26/2009 12:55:17 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: RobinMasters
Home Alone With Micheal Jackson
10 posted on 06/26/2009 12:56:51 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: RobinMasters

What’s up with all these ditsy threads on Freaky Mikey Jackson?


11 posted on 06/26/2009 1:01:10 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: RobinMasters

Personally I think Micheal died because he had lost his childhood. He was an extremely gifted human being who also lived a very blessed life but he burned out from the extreme spotlight. The last 10 to 15 years of his life were a sick tradegy.

The controversy that surrounded him will never be resolved fully but hopefully the good is never forgotten as well.

Micheal Jackson was a star from when he was a toddler almost. He never had a normal life. His life legacy will always be scarred but that scar is upon all of our culture and not just him alone.


12 posted on 06/26/2009 1:14:05 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: RobinMasters

Had he died long ago, before the skin-bleaching and the infant dangling, his legacy would have been different. Maybe Marilyn Monroe and James Dean had the right idea.


13 posted on 06/26/2009 1:18:29 AM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: WesternPacific
The news media, Fox News included, are making Michael Jackson a celebrated pedophile.

It is just as likely Micheal was extorted for money because he was such a messed up person who people would believe he might have done it.

14 posted on 06/26/2009 1:20:38 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: RobinMasters
MJ lives on....


15 posted on 06/26/2009 1:25:35 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: WesternPacific

So let’s all celebrate with some ‘Jesus juice’


16 posted on 06/26/2009 1:26:44 AM PDT by zipper
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To: Always Right

Personally I think Micheal was suffering from some very serous issues that involved his self esteem and children but of course legally that may never be resolved now.

The last 10 to 15 years of his life he displayed some very troubling signs of this from his extreme plastic surgery to his feminization of himself to his obsession with children.


17 posted on 06/26/2009 1:27:03 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: antceecee

It’s more fun to hate him for unproven allegations that may or may not be true. Or it’s just hard for some people to hold more than a single idea in their head at time - that someone can be intensely talented, but at the same time intensely flawed and that one can celebrate someone’s talent without endorsing that person’s struggle with various demons.


18 posted on 06/26/2009 1:29:14 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: All

Actually I think “Thriller” was a terrific album, and Michael Jackson was a terrific talent.

But man, was he weird.


19 posted on 06/26/2009 1:29:21 AM PDT by zipper
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To: RobinMasters

Very nice. I was having some of the same thoughts last evening. I’m glad to see them addressed like this.


20 posted on 06/26/2009 1:29:23 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (_res__ent of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: TheBigIf

I believe that Michael never was at peace. He
reminds me of Elvis in that both were self destructive.

The real tragedy was his pedophilic activities. No one in the MSM held him accountable for his actions and that
is unforgivable.


21 posted on 06/26/2009 1:33:01 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: kb2614
"never much of a fan"

It seemed to me that his music was directed at the early teen set. None of his music was adult-centered , and I'm not a fan of dancing pop stars anyway. So Jackson's appeal to me was zero. His death didn't affect me any more than Ed McMahon's death. What I really objected to the most was the lack of coverage of major news yesterday. I guess the big thinkers at the various news channels, including FOX, thought that the great majority of Americans were deeply affected by his death and didn't want to hear about the far more important world events. We have major events going on in Iran and elsewhere, and they choose wall-to-wall coverage of Jackson's death. That irritated me to no end.

22 posted on 06/26/2009 1:38:29 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: driftless2
I guess the big thinkers at the various news channels, including FOX, thought that the great majority of Americans were deeply affected by his death and didn't want to hear about the far more important world events.

Are people really this solipsistic? He was one of the biggest public figures of the modern era and sold more records than anyone else in history. Of course there's a lot of public interest in his story. But of course none of that matters because you didn't like him and the job of the media is to cater specifically to your personal interests.

23 posted on 06/26/2009 1:44:01 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: RobinMasters
Goldberg bristles about the excessive attention to Jackson's death and the lack of attention to Iranian protesters and America's noble war dead. Here's a thought: Instead of going on for several paragraphs about Jackson and the media, why not simply write a post entitled In Lieu of a Michael Jackson Obituary and actually profile some Iranian protesters and noble war dead?
24 posted on 06/26/2009 1:44:50 AM PDT by kittykat77
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To: zipper

Omg I had forgotten about the “Jesus juice.”


25 posted on 06/26/2009 1:47:27 AM PDT by Miss Behave ("WE WANT FREEDOM!")
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To: zipper

Geraldo said tonight that MJ had portraits of himself all over Neverland. Very weird.


26 posted on 06/26/2009 1:49:42 AM PDT by Miss Behave ("WE WANT FREEDOM!")
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To: driftless2

I agree. It was very disappointing that the media gave Jackson non-stop coverage. There are way too many important things going on today for that. Fox should get a thrashing of e-mails for that. I am tired of celebrity worship by the news media. Jackson certainly dosen’t deserve it and nor do many others as well.


27 posted on 06/26/2009 1:51:46 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Miss Behave

You said - “Geraldo said tonight that MJ had portraits of himself all over Neverland. Very weird.:”

That is probally so he could remember what he looked like being how freakingly he changed his appearence during the last ten years or so.


28 posted on 06/26/2009 1:53:59 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: garbanzo
"biggest public figures"

I guarantee you most people over fifty cared little about Jackson's life. I didn't know one friend who admitted to liking much less buying any of his music. In short, his career mattered very little to me and people my age (over fifty) and older. He sold millions of records? So have countless less talented (or no talented people and groups, Eminem, etal). Because you thought he was important doesn't make him important. His music is mostly forgettable. And no, I didn't care much for Elvis either.

29 posted on 06/26/2009 2:01:49 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: TheBigIf

He sure was very obsessive about every square millimeter of his face. More than any person I can think of.


30 posted on 06/26/2009 2:01:49 AM PDT by Miss Behave ("WE WANT FREEDOM!")
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To: RobinMasters

Michael Jackson really touched me when i was a kid....


31 posted on 06/26/2009 2:15:47 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: driftless2
I didn't know one friend who admitted to liking much less buying any of his music.

And those are a highly representative sample of the public. More solipsism.

32 posted on 06/26/2009 2:20:41 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: RobinMasters

He was a pervert and child molestor. Good riddance...


33 posted on 06/26/2009 2:20:58 AM PDT by trailboss800
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To: RobinMasters

He completely repudiated both his gender and race.


34 posted on 06/26/2009 2:23:59 AM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: RobinMasters

A botched abortion!!!


35 posted on 06/26/2009 2:27:36 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: garbanzo
"solipsism"

Tell me where you rank Jackson's musical output in terms of importance i.e. compared to Bach, the Beatles, Robert Johnson, etc.

36 posted on 06/26/2009 2:35:55 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: RobinMasters

Slow news day reporters wait in bar for 5:00pm.


37 posted on 06/26/2009 2:43:42 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: RobinMasters
Jonah Goldberg nails it:

If anything, Michael Jackson’s life, not his death, was tragic.

...

I feel sympathy for Jackson’s family and friends who understandably mourn him. But I can't bring myself to mourn him any more than I mourn the random dead I read about in the paper everyday. Indeed, I confess to mourning him less.

Every channel says this is a sad day for America. I agree. But not for the same reasons.


38 posted on 06/26/2009 2:44:25 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: RobinMasters

This will knock the Gov. Mark Sanford fiasco off the front page. I’m sure the propaganda press and the DU trolls at FR had planned a two week long bash-fest. The untimely death of Mr. Jackson saves the republican party from embarrassing itself with whining, nation-wide mea culpas and beating itself over the head before the cameras, as planned by the liberal fascists.

RIP, Mr. Jackson. You did well.


39 posted on 06/26/2009 2:50:21 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: RobinMasters

The paradigm of excessively positive regard for celebrities will probably be finished within three years, especially in politics.


40 posted on 06/26/2009 2:53:52 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: driftless2

You can’t ignore that he’s sold more records than anyone else. That’s an objective fact. You may be a snob who holds himself above the public taste but I think that says more about you than about MJ’s music. I think his music rates highly. Only time can tell but I generally think that people will still listen to Jackson’s music for a long time to come because they are good songs that people can relate to.


41 posted on 06/26/2009 2:59:11 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: driftless2

Musically he can’t be compared to Elvis or The Beatles. They changed music and society- Michael did neither. To his credit he could perform and did record some catchy tunes, but James Brown was better, IMHO.

He’s another soul who’s now in a better place- hopefully?


42 posted on 06/26/2009 2:59:26 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: TheBigIf
I get home from work and put on Fox to watch the news. Ans what is on? Al Sharpton spewing about MJ on Fox....

I turned it off and went outside to water the plants.

43 posted on 06/26/2009 3:08:06 AM PDT by chemicalman ("There's a sucker born every minute", PTB, "They all voted for Obama", CM.)
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To: Jemian
Surprisingly, Steve Irwin's death affected me in a curious and abiding way. It haunted me for days...

Jackson's death leaves me with only the echo of his sparkling past...

44 posted on 06/26/2009 3:11:12 AM PDT by BossLady ("WE are the origin of all coming evil" ~~ Carl Jung~~)
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To: antceecee

Hmmmm, I don’t think I was dancing on his grave. I wasn’t a fan of his music and thought he was one really odd duck. His death just didn’t have much of an impact on me. His family is devasted and thats always a sad thing but does it warrent wall to wall coverage from the MSM?? There are other things going on in the world right now that will have a DIRECT impact on this nation. Jackson’s death is sad (he was a pitiful man), but lets not go nutty on this.


45 posted on 06/26/2009 3:16:33 AM PDT by kb2614 (Cheer up, for the worst is yet to come!)
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To: sergeantdave

Now the DUmmies will claim that Karl Rove murdered Michael Jackson to take the heat off Mark Sanford.


46 posted on 06/26/2009 3:18:58 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Crazy is the new sane.)
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To: MrLee

I was never a big James Brown fan either, but at least Brown’s music was directed at a mature crowd. I can listen to “I Feel Good” and some of his other stuff without reaching for the dial. Jackson’s musical appeal was totally lost on me.


47 posted on 06/26/2009 3:28:47 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: garbanzo

Name some of his songs that people, other than you, will listen to for a long time.


48 posted on 06/26/2009 3:30:18 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: driftless2

As a 51 year old white woman I’ll admit that the Jackson 5 was one of the first 45s I bought (Temptations Ball of Confusion was my first record). Grew up with bubblegum pop and Motown.

In gym in grammar school our teacher played pop music for us to run laps to. I remember “A B C”, “Stop the Love You Save” and oddly enough, “Take a Letter, Maria”, by some one-shot wonder whose name eludes me.

I remember the dawn of MTV as I graduated college and hit the working world. My new husband & I enjoyed Thriller and some “new wave” music.

Lost track of the newer music and I have become primarily a classic rock fan with a little of the new music thrown in. Jackson got just too weird for me to be able to watch or listen to. A shame; he was a talented performer and probably would have been able to leave a positive social mark with all his wealth if he hadn’t gone nuts.

Got a kick out of hearing my kids sing “I’ll be There” for their middle school graduation and thinking that Michael Jackson was from their generation.


49 posted on 06/26/2009 3:33:26 AM PDT by YankeeGirl
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To: Bernard
James Dean - Marion, Indiana, another famous Hoosier (like Muawiyah - Seymour, Indiana and John Dillinger - Mooresville, Indiana), didn't plan on getting killed anymore than famous Hoosier, Michael Jackson ~ Gary, Indiana.

Muawiyah, BTW, is still alive and kicking. He doesn't run with a bandit gang, race cars, or mess around with morphine.

But, we all strived to live large and beyond the expectations of others who prefer the quiet of home and TV-dinners.

50 posted on 06/26/2009 3:33:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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