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Corrupt conservatives; Sanctimonious hypocrites on the right dishonor faith, family and freedom
The Washington Times ^ | 2009-06-27 | Jeffrey T. Kuhner

Posted on 06/28/2009 12:41:59 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Is the conservative movement rotten to its core?

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's bizarre revelation that he had an extramarital affair with a longtime female friend in Argentina has dealt another blow to an already decrepit Republican Party. After losing control of Congress in 2006 and the White House in last year's election, the Republicans are not only in the minority; they also are adrift and leaderless. Mr. Sanford was highly touted as one who could advance new ideas, as a fresh face for Republican conservatives.

He carved out a distinct political identity by fusing a command of policy with Southern folksiness. Pro-tax-cuts, pro-life and a staunch critic of big government, Mr. Sanford is a solid conservative. He has been a champion of old-fashioned, austere values such as frugality, modesty and Christian morality. His Southern conservatism is rooted in God, country and family.

. . . . .

He has openly confronted America's decline, often making comparisons to the decadent Roman Empire. He rightly pointed out that, like ancient Rome, America is plagued by malaise and is in decay: Our borders have become porous; our politics are rife with factionalism; our economy is slowly being strangled by bureaucratic statism; our national identity is disintegrating; and our culture is ravaged by neo-pagan hedonism and moral permissiveness.

His greatest accomplishment as governor is that he has abolished the illegal $155 million budget deficit he inherited from his predecessor. Mr. Sanford is a rare breed: He takes constitutional requirements seriously. And he balanced the budget by slashing spending.

He emerged as a national leader against President Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus plan.

. . . . .

Yet now he has squandered much of his legacy on an act of pure folly.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: doublestandard; ensign; gopimplosion; hypocrisy; marksanford; rinoparty; sanford
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1 posted on 06/28/2009 12:41:59 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; sickoflibs; calcowgirl; Bokababe; DoughtyOne

Interesting read. Scary, but...interesting.


2 posted on 06/28/2009 12:43:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
I have trouble understanding how anyone who cannot keep the most fundamental of vows to one person can credibly swear they will keep a more complex vow to uphold (protect and defend) the US Constitution.
3 posted on 06/28/2009 12:49:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: rabscuttle385

If these things didn’t matter, why would hypocrisy matter either? It would be like hypocrisy in your taste for pie, arguing for chocolate while secretly preferring vanilla custard. The whole liberal laugh and point “argument” collapses upon itself.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 1:22:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

For what it’s worth, Berlusconi in Italy seems to be doing a pretty good job of managing the government in spite of his massive womanizing. The most fundamental vows are those to God, not to man.


5 posted on 06/28/2009 1:25:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Oh, and any government this side of glory is going to be composed of, by very definition, sinners. If we specially despise Sanford, can it partly be because he is a mirror of us, in our thoughts if not our acts? The biblical story of Solomon is an extreme cautionary tale. He asked God for great wisdom to govern the people, but apparently forgot to ask God for wisdom to govern himself. The result, the smartest Old Testament government that Israel ever had, but also a consummate womanizer who even stooped to pagan idol sacrifices to please his paramours.


6 posted on 06/28/2009 1:32:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I still like Sanford. The Dems have their rascals and we have ours. Sanford is 100x better than a Democrat governor


7 posted on 06/28/2009 1:37:33 AM PDT by dennisw ("stealth tribal warfare" is what the Sotomayor nomination is about)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It is not womanizing per se I am opposed to, so much as breaking a marriage vow (often taken before the altar, before God) such as "forsaking all others", but in fairness, maybe they did not say that when they wed.

I also understand the aging mindset that a man has 'arrived' when he has money, position, power, and 'some on the side', even though I do not buy into that personally.

I view such philandering in a culture which opposes such as a weakness which can be exploited to undermine the fidelity of the participant in other areas, especially in politics.

It has scuttled both Newt's and Sanford's shot at the White House, imho.

In Europe, I must note that the traditional view of marriage included (for many of position) mistresses, and such behaviour may not be considered a political detriment.

8 posted on 06/28/2009 1:38:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes, I agree it opens the man up to blackmail. This didn’t deter Bill Clinton, but he was a lame duck anyhow by the time the Monica stories got out. Maybe the blackmail angle is why there has been such strenuous effort by both Sanfords to air the story in the media. The idea being that if they air it all now, more details cannot be threatened to embarrass either of them in the future.


9 posted on 06/28/2009 1:46:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

That’s right, if a man’s wife can’t trust him, how can a business associate?


10 posted on 06/28/2009 1:55:55 AM PDT by lbama
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah but the Berlusconi guy is a European and they think differently than Americans. One weak fellow doesn’t mean that the ideals of Conservatism are bad.


11 posted on 06/28/2009 3:03:45 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Smokin' Joe

It’s called “sin”. We are all humans fall short of God’s glory. It’s sad. I feel for his wife and children. I liked Sanford. I wanted him to be President.


12 posted on 06/28/2009 3:06:32 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: rabscuttle385; P-Marlowe
At its core, conservatism is not simply a set of beliefs; it is a way of life - one that is anchored in the natural moral order centered on faith, family and freedom. This is the conservative holy trinity. And it is now being defamed by its own high priests.

His final lines wrap it up. It's a good article.

I would not call our politicians our "high priests", but I get his point. Our leaders are betraying us by their behavior.

Conservatives do advocate faith, family, independence, morality, etc. Yet, as Christians, we know that human nature is inherently sinful. We know these men will fall. Without abusing grace, the hope of Christianity is that even sin in Christians can be forgiven. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

As Christians the danger is twofold: one can promote the legal and to forget the reality of sinful flesh, or one can wax long on God's mercy to sinners and forget God's standards. On the one hand, we'll end up with a hypocritical, legalistic position. On the other hand, we'll end up with a hypocritical, licentious position. One loses in either case.

Christians recognize that the Holy Spirit empowers perseverence. They recognize that the point is not to take advantage of God's grace, but to hope in it as they set about in God's power to pursue the high calling of God, not as if they were already perfect, but humbly and with admission of God's help and forgiveness.

That is possible in the Church, but it is not possible with the political world. Leaders in the political world in an age of mass media must admit that their public image is a real thing that will either help them or hurt them. When they enter that arena, they are to be -- at least during the time of their tenure -- above reproach. That is what they agree to when they seek higher office.

Given human nature, it is best for any aspirant to be brutally honest about his/her past and strength for the future. If there is weakness, then they should not seek a first term in office or ensuing terms if human nature begins to rear its ugly head in the midst of someone's term.

Sanford can certainly be forgiven, but his political career is over. Had he been honest and wise, he would have stepped aside before his most recent campaign for office. He knew then that his human nature had begun causing difficulty.

In the long run it's probably best that we have conservative leaders who are not lifetime politicians, and who serve only for a period of time. I don't think the Founders envisioned the nation run by a class of professional politicians.

13 posted on 06/28/2009 3:14:45 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This guy completely nailed it. What a well written article.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 3:30:02 AM PDT by mek1959
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To: dennisw
I still like Sanford. The Dems have their rascals and we have ours. Sanford is 100x better than a Democrat governor.
Like all of us I was disgusted at the Senate for blowing off the fact that WJBC lied under oath and suborned perjury. And I just think that any impeachment of a president should be tried by a jury of the president's nearest peers - that is, by the governors of the states. Or else, the actual impeachment, rather than the trial, should be by the governors. The point being, that no self-respecting governor would have stood up and said of lying under oath and suborning perjury by a chief executive that "it's just about sex." Well, if sex is "only" sex, what is the big deal about rape? </sarcasm>

Not that that was what Clinton should have been impeached for; there were so many abuses by his administration as to most aptly be called "legion, for we are many." And, Waco aside, the largest early example was Filegate. Hundreds, arguably thousands, of counts of a felony. Committed in the very White House itself. And the president stonewalled the whole thing - never even taking responsibility for firing the perpetrator lest he thereby even admit that he hired him. If ever in the history of management there was a case of the applicability of absolute "it happened on his watch" responsibility, that was it.

It seems that I'm off topic, but not really. The issue you raise is the question of the proper tradeoff, if any, between judgement and mercy, between the deadliness of sin and the value of the sinner. We can all hear James Carville saying, "It's just about sex" regarding Clinton - and none of us can imagine hearing the same man giving Mark Sanford anything but condemnation. A miasma of self righteousness hangs heavy in the air. And self righteousness and hypocrisy are two sides of the same coin.

Mark Sanford is, evidently, guilty of a sexual transgression. The question is whether that invalidates everything he has ever said about fidelity. To reflect on the fact that "all have sinned, and come short of the glroy of God" is to recognize that that argument is really a claim that promoting fidelity is a sin. And to operate on that premise is clearly no way to run a railroad.


15 posted on 06/28/2009 3:39:38 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t always think that cheating on a spouse necessarily ends a political career. It is a personal failing that in many, many cases is forgiven by the one who was cheated on. In this case, however, the behavior was just plain bizarre. He went out of his way to embarrass himself and his wife.


16 posted on 06/28/2009 3:39:56 AM PDT by pnut22
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To: personalaccts
Why is it too much to expect a man to honor his vow of fidelity to his wife?

The problem with adultery is it completely undermines the claim from a man, "You can trust me to do the right thing."

The answer in the mind of a voter is, "No, we can't trust you because your wife can't trust you and your duty to her is far, far greater than your duty to us as voters."

17 posted on 06/28/2009 3:51:03 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: rabscuttle385

Corrupt conservatives; Sanctimonious hypocrites on the right dishonor faith, family and freedom

The difference is that with the republican people at least, they accept the fact that allhuman are sinners and we get rid of the hypocrites and move on. While on the ohter side,the democrats seem to promote w=fromwithin based on the largest number of sins committed.


18 posted on 06/28/2009 4:02:01 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: rabscuttle385

Wouldn’t it be kind of interesting if we were to find out Sanford’s mistress was paid to seduce him?


19 posted on 06/28/2009 4:11:04 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: rabscuttle385

with the mix of RINO and morons like Sanford, the PUBES will most likely botch 2010 and 2012. Fate might just have it that the once great USA has seen it’s last days and it’s destruction will be done by the Democrats as the pubes will never have gotten back on message.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 4:11:56 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: rabscuttle385

George Washington should remain the standard for our presidency. Competence and moral judgment are not mutually exclusive.
Democrats seek power over moral character. Look at their politicians and see where that leads.


21 posted on 06/28/2009 4:21:17 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: rabscuttle385

Without a doubt our downfall is not an exclusive result or condition of the Democrats. Communism perhaps but not of just the Democrats. If we have any hope or chance of coming out of this we must get rid of the R/D dynamic, the MSM dictating and Marxism them permeates almost all aspects of our society. Our churches included.


22 posted on 06/28/2009 4:27:32 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: rabscuttle385

As a former resident of South Carolina I’m so sick of hearing this tripe about Sanford. It is one thing to be a conservative with low tax, low regulation and hold the line on spending principals while also understanding the role of governor (See Sarah Palin). It’s another thing to say no to any expenditure and cause your state to be stuck in third world country status because you don’t understand that the state has legitimate expenses and responsibilities. Sanford allowed his philosophy, which is ideal for Congress and the president, to dictate what he has done as governor. It doesn’t work, hence the awful conditions in South Carolina.


23 posted on 06/28/2009 4:36:07 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative
I would also add that conservatism believes in putting forth solutions that allow the private sector to step in and address the needs and issues in a community. Sanford has shown zero initiative or creativity in working with the private sector to devise solutions to the State's problems.
24 posted on 06/28/2009 4:41:06 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

In other words, Sanford is LAZY!!


25 posted on 06/28/2009 4:41:42 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Blackmail in the media was certainly on the horizon, probably his next run. The editor that had his emails stated that they new about the affair last December. They were just waiting for the most oppurtune time to release the emails and destroy Sanford.


26 posted on 06/28/2009 4:48:00 AM PDT by KyHammer ( Don't blame me, I voted.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Is the conservative movement rotten to its core?

Why would one think other wise? And may-be this is one of the reasons the pubis can’t fight the demis because of their on guilt ????


27 posted on 06/28/2009 4:51:14 AM PDT by buck61
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Interestingly, back when Sanford was in Congress he was one of the first and most vocal denigrators of Newt Gingrich who was then speaker. I emailed Sanford asking him to explain his attacks on Gingrich, a fellow conservative. He wrote back that Newt was behaving in ways that were unbecoming of the expected conduct of a congressman and leader. I never truly liked Sanford after that but did like most of his principled stands on the economy and power. All in all, a sad ending to a career. Now, he needs to step down.


28 posted on 06/28/2009 4:54:00 AM PDT by doosee
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Oh, and any government this side of glory is going to be composed of, by very definition, sinners. If we specially despise Sanford, can it partly be because he is a mirror of us, in our thoughts if not our acts? The biblical story of Solomon is an extreme cautionary tale. He asked God for great wisdom to govern the people, but apparently forgot to ask God for wisdom to govern himself. The result, the smartest Old Testament government that Israel ever had, but also a consummate womanizer who even stooped to pagan idol sacrifices to please his paramours.

Preach!

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


29 posted on 06/28/2009 4:55:23 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: doosee

That’s interesting regarding his comments about Newt. I wasn’t aware of that. Very strange considering that came from a guy who brought pigs into the statehouse.


30 posted on 06/28/2009 4:57:57 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

...”In Europe, I must note that the traditional view of marriage included (for many of position) mistresses, and such behavior may not be considered a political detriment”...

Yes, because much of Europe is Godless and Socialist. The sexual partners of both men and women gain power over one another and, yes, First Ladies may be running the country..However, they are known to the population. A man’s mistress is an unknown, secret part of his character and his life and anyone holding high office in the US should be impeached for adultery, in my view, because it does speak of the depth of treachery which might exist in that person’s character. Better not take that chance.


31 posted on 06/28/2009 5:06:21 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: rabscuttle385

Great. A right-leaning newspaper savaging a leading conservative. Gee, when’s the last time the leftist media savaged a Democrat? And some of us continue to wonder why a nation that’s 40% conservative is being savaged by a 20% minority of leftist freaks.

What did Reagan say about publicly criticizing one of our own?


32 posted on 06/28/2009 5:08:16 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: Rocco DiPippo

Speaking of Reagan, correct me if I’m wrong, but was he not playing around on Jane Wyman? To my knowledge, the only perfectly righteous, moral man ever born was a fellow named Jesus Christ, and there will never be another like him, but if there was, I don’t think he’d be interested in entering politics.


33 posted on 06/28/2009 5:12:55 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: rdb3
If we specially despise Sanford, can it partly be because he is a mirror of us, in our thoughts if not our acts?

No. I don't have the faintest desire to deceive my family for cheap thrills with a Latin hottie.

34 posted on 06/28/2009 5:16:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (O hai. Do I need you for something right now?)
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To: lbama
That’s right, if a man’s wife can’t trust him, how can a business associate?

It's as simple as that.

35 posted on 06/28/2009 5:17:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Tax-chick; rdb3
If we specially despise Sanford, can it partly be because he is a mirror of us, in our thoughts if not our acts?

No. I don't have the faintest desire to deceive my family for cheap thrills with a Latin hottie.

I agree. Projection is a form of ameliorating your OWN digressions.

36 posted on 06/28/2009 5:21:11 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Tax-chick; raybbr; HiTech RedNeck
Please don't get it twisted.

The point is expecting to get perfection, moral or otherwise, from political leaders who are just as human as we all are. That's just not smart.

The bible is full of examples on this. And if great men of God can fall, where's the surprise here?

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


37 posted on 06/28/2009 5:33:18 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: rdb3

post 37 - True, but this article’s point is made at the very last paragraph.


38 posted on 06/28/2009 5:41:43 AM PDT by jla
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

It almost makes one long for GA Jimmy’s “confession” that he had lusted “in his heart” instead of in Argentina!


39 posted on 06/28/2009 5:45:00 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: raybbr

Still though the desire to sin may pop up from below the surface when one is ill-prepared to resist. Maybe Mark Sanford is really a Flip Wilson Republican.


40 posted on 06/28/2009 5:46:18 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: lbama
if a man’s wife can’t trust him, how can a business associate?

I've always heard that, and believed it.

41 posted on 06/28/2009 5:47:17 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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Note to Jeffrey T. Kuhner - not everyone on the (R) side is a "Bible thumper" as the SRM believes. Where have these headlines been the past few years?

Corrupt Liberals: John Edwards (d) has "love child"
Charlie Rangel (d) caught in fraud scheme
William Jefferson (d) caught with cash in freezer
Millons of campaign donations for Hussein (d) possibly came from China

I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, but have other things to do today.

42 posted on 06/28/2009 5:48:53 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: rdb3
and tell me that this isn't music.

They bring it all, don't they? Good stuff.

43 posted on 06/28/2009 5:49:09 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Can’t get enough of the Sanford crap fest....jeez, FR/TMZ, where are the 24 & 7 sleaz stories about the friggn’ Rat slimes?


44 posted on 06/28/2009 5:55:44 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: rabscuttle385

Mark Sanford is done, as it should be, he will answer to his constituents. That is the stark difference between a conservative voter and a liberal voter, as they will not knowingly continue to re-elect liars, thieves, cheaters, and murderers. Democrat voters make excuses for, overlook and admire their lowlifes. Barney Frank and Teddy Kennedy are long term prime examples.


45 posted on 06/28/2009 6:01:58 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: raybbr
Projection is a form of ameliorating your OWN digressions.

I have plenty of sins, digressions, errors and omissions, but adultery isn't one of them, even in thought.

And if Gov. Sanford had confessed to drinking too much wine and hanging out on FR instead of doing something useful, I'd say, "Yeah, I know how that is," instead, "Oh, that's so awful!!!"

46 posted on 06/28/2009 6:11:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (O hai. Do I need you for something right now?)
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To: rdb3
... expecting to get perfection, moral or otherwise, from political leaders who are just as human as we all are. That's just not smart.

True, but given the responsibility political leaders (perhaps wrongly) have, it's not unreasonable to expect them to avoid howling idiocy, or to vote them out if they display it.

On the other hand, from a strictly practical standpoint, is a governor who's an adulterer with, apparently, no common sense at all worse than what we've got in NC, an outright crook who's also completely incompetent?

47 posted on 06/28/2009 6:14:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (O hai. Do I need you for something right now?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Just because we know what’s right doesn’t mean that we always do what’s right. That’s called sin.

Just because we sin doesn’t mean that we’re relieved of our obligation to defend what is right. Rather, our continued obligations to defend what is right should help bring us to repentance.

Mr. Sanford did what was wrong, and he knew it. His sins didn’t relieve him of his obligation to distinguish between right and wrong, and to defend the right. Rather, his continued responsibilities should weigh on him to impel him to seek forgiveness and firm purpose of amendment in his life.


48 posted on 06/28/2009 6:21:40 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

I agree Sanford should seek to right his wrongs. As a SC taxpayer, I want him to amend his ways while not being paid with my tax dollars. I would have some respect for him if he gracefully resigned. He turned himself into a national laughingstock and needs to get off the national stage. We in SC will end up with a big spender Dem as our next governor thanks to his thinking with his male appendage instead of his brain.


49 posted on 06/28/2009 6:36:37 AM PDT by doosee
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To: Tax-chick
True, but given the responsibility political leaders (perhaps wrongly) have, it's not unreasonable to expect them to avoid howling idiocy, or to vote them out if they display it.

Idiocy stings.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


50 posted on 06/28/2009 6:39:48 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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