Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Teenage Jobs Wasteland
Forbes ^ | 7/2/2009 | Joshua Zumbrun

Posted on 07/03/2009 8:09:13 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Not since 1965 has it been so hard for teens to get work.

Think an unemployment rate of 9.5% is bad? It could be worse. You could be a teenager.

For teenagers, the summer job market has not been so bleak in generations. During what should be the start of the bustling summer job season, the unemployment rate for 16- to 19-year-olds who want work is 24%--the worst since 1965.

The outlook for teen jobs is so bleak that it's weighing down the entire employment report, which the Bureau of Labor Statistics released on Thursday. The country is headed for an entire decade with no job growth. In June, the report showed unemployment climbed to 9.6% from 9.5%, and 467,000 jobs were lost, thanks in large part to the decline in jobs for teens. (See "The Job Market's Grim Picture.")

"The biggest problem [in the report] was that the summer job market for teenagers was nonexistent," says Joel Naroff, of Naroff Economic Advisors, in a note. "The 24% unemployment rate for this group was the second-highest since the end of World War II. While teenagers comprise only 4% of the workforce, they made up over 22% of the increase in unemployment in June."

In June, there were 5.6 million jobs for teenagers, down from 6.3 million a year ago, and nowhere near the level of the late 1990s, the golden age for teen employment. In July of 1999, there were a record 8.8 million working teens.

"The economy has, of course, been bad for the restaurants and retail stores in which many teens work, but more is at play," says Kristen Lopez Eastlick, senior research analyst for the Employment Policies Institute. "The general unemployment rate is so much higher that your hiring market is going to be represented with more

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: summer; teens

1 posted on 07/03/2009 8:09:13 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Hope & Change. Young people love him.


2 posted on 07/03/2009 8:10:08 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman
Teenage Wasteland.
3 posted on 07/03/2009 8:10:55 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheWasteLand
Funny, Baba O’Riley came to my mind too.
4 posted on 07/03/2009 8:13:49 PM PDT by BBell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: BBell

Well, given my screen name...


5 posted on 07/03/2009 8:14:31 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Most of the teens who bothered to vote cast theirs for Obama. But then, they were largely following in the footsteps of their equally deluded elders and professors.


6 posted on 07/03/2009 8:17:08 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

I notice that the first two people who comment on this article at Forbes both mention that illegal aliens are grabbing many jobs that would otherwise go to teens.

And they correctly blame Forbes for supporting that.

Teens have normally climbed the ladder from the bottom up. But those jobs are now taken largely by illegals.


7 posted on 07/03/2009 8:20:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

I just scored a second job at a local Gelato shop - if I can get 2 jobs, these people can surely scare up one.


8 posted on 07/03/2009 8:25:36 PM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Teen jobs around here have been tough for a while. The car washes and most grocery store checkers and fast food counter people are all illegals (maybe that’s too harsh- but few are English-speakers).


9 posted on 07/03/2009 8:26:30 PM PDT by DBrow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cicero

Here in California, even during boom times teenagers are competing with illegal aliens, and retirees for entry level jobs. Those who can’t make it on their Social Security, will take a part time job at a fast food place to make ends meet.


10 posted on 07/03/2009 8:29:10 PM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman
For teenagers, the summer job market has not been so bleak in generations.

Mayhap because the jobs normally taken by teens are now taken by older adults that have the ability to use basic math, have strong verbal skills and … yes, are reliable.

11 posted on 07/03/2009 8:31:34 PM PDT by doc1019
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Don’t worry, teens. The coming increase in the minimum wage is going to boost entry-level hiring! All will be well.


12 posted on 07/03/2009 8:36:43 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: passionfruit

“Here in California, even during boom times teenagers are competing with illegal aliens, and retirees for entry level jobs. Those who can’t make it on their Social Security, will take a part time job at a fast food place to make ends meet.”

When the citizens of a state vote for Dimocratz, they get Dimocratz policies. If you don’t like the policies, you know what you have to do.


13 posted on 07/03/2009 8:37:24 PM PDT by Rembrandt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt

That doesn’t explain Bush and McCain’s love affair with illegals.


14 posted on 07/03/2009 8:41:22 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

My kids both took training as lifeguards. They had multiple job offers. Daughter is working as much as she wants, up to 70 hours a week; son has a more normal schedule.


15 posted on 07/03/2009 8:41:29 PM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama! (If you're old enough, you'll understand the reference))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman
Hope and Change, YAY, Support Dems YAY, support amnesty YAY.
Obama will pay for my gas, my house and my education YAY.

Oh, and it's Bush's fault YAY.

16 posted on 07/03/2009 8:43:08 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Send the illegals home. Problem solved.


17 posted on 07/03/2009 8:43:08 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Minimum wage hikes wipe out entry level jobs.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.

But whatever it takes it is more than congress can muster...


18 posted on 07/03/2009 8:45:04 PM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ViLaLuz

Problem not solved.

The primary cause for teen unemplolyment is minimum wage.


19 posted on 07/03/2009 8:46:34 PM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Pelham

“That doesn’t explain Bush and McCain’s love affair with illegals.”

Bush didn’t have a love affair with illegals, he was willing to have the fence built, but didn’t necessarily support it - a fence-straddling stance. McCain left a vital part of his brain in the facility on Tho Nhuom street.


20 posted on 07/03/2009 8:49:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
Teenage unemployment should be 75%. There are fewer and fewer of them that have the capacity or desire to do a job. I made a conscious decision about a decade ago that I would not own a business where I would have to depend on a teenage workforce and I am very much happier for it.

My friends who do have such employees live in abject terror and it's not of the government or taxes or Islamic nutcases. It is a terror that that one or more of their pimply-faces employees is going to do something incredibly stupid or irresponsible. They are going to quit or "call off" just when they are needed most. They are going to steal their employers blind. They are going to do a favor for their "frenz" that jeopardizes the business. They are gong to ruin a hard won reputation for a "joke" like pissing in someone's coffee or crapping in someones beans.

Yesterday, I was driving past a friends business and noticed a gate open after hours. The gate opens onto a rough neighborhood. Thinking that it was accidental, I stopped at the office and found out that the lone clerk on late duty had opened it so his buddies could use some equipment and forgotten about it. I think my little pep talk left an impression.

21 posted on 07/03/2009 8:50:08 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt
When the citizens of a state vote for Dimocratz, they get Dimocratz policies. If you don’t like the policies, you know what you have to do.

What would that be?

22 posted on 07/03/2009 8:50:42 PM PDT by dragnet2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
"Teens have normally climbed the ladder from the bottom up. But those jobs are now taken largely by illegals."

One thing I noticed at our local supermarket this summer, it is the one large, visible employer in town, is that they started the season with just about equal numbers of male and female high school students. Now the only ones left are female.

yitbos

23 posted on 07/03/2009 8:52:54 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt; Pelham
Bush didn’t have a love affair with illegals

BS...He not only aided and abetted this violent invasion for 8 years, he publicly encouraged it while calling Americans that had a belly full, "vigilantes".

Ya think everyone forgot about his 8 years in office?

During the Bush years, millions of illegals were so damn embolden by his administration, they marched on our cities and towns by the *millions* making threats and demands, while pushing foreign flags in your faces..

24 posted on 07/03/2009 8:55:44 PM PDT by dragnet2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Clintons Are White Trash

I think they are hiring folks like you as opposed to largely untested teens. In the 90s you probably wouldn’t have applied for a job in a gelato shop?


25 posted on 07/03/2009 8:57:51 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DBrow

i just came from Universal Studios this afternoon and most of the “teen’ traditional jobs are now held by 30-ish people.


26 posted on 07/03/2009 9:00:08 PM PDT by max americana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Clintons Are White Trash

My teenage son has been applying for jobs for over a year now. Nothing. I agree with the poster that replied to you with the point that the jobs he would normally get are going to unemployed adults vs teens with no job history.


27 posted on 07/03/2009 9:01:04 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt

Yeah, right. That’s why Bush prattled on about “Family Values Don’t Stop at the Rio Grande”, “Jobs Americans Won’t Do”, and “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”. Not to mention dropping workplace enforcement below even the pathetic level that Clinton maintained.

And there was that small thing of pushing for amnesty for the millions of illegals here, who somehow just can’t ever be deported. I guess enforcing our laws was one of those Jobs Americans Won’t Do, at least when it comes to Hispandering presidents.

But then maybe that’s just the Bush of my imagination. The Real Dubya must have been a fierce warrior for immigration enforcement, and none of us in California noticed it.


28 posted on 07/03/2009 9:01:11 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: max americana

The newspaper delivery is now done by adults in cars, not kids on bikes.


29 posted on 07/03/2009 9:01:18 PM PDT by DBrow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

I didn’t realize it had bumped up to 9.6.


30 posted on 07/03/2009 9:10:48 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dragnet2

That’s certainly the way I remember his administration. It is no mystery why California is collapsing. Americans have been fleeing as illegals flood in.

I’ve lived in California long enough to watch it go from American dream to multicultural nightmare. If you like gangs and graffiti and English-optional then maybe you won’t care, but otherwise it’s a damned shame. And it only happens because politicians encourage it and refuse to enforce our laws. Some people call it treason to put the interests of foreign nationals ahead of your own people.


31 posted on 07/03/2009 9:13:23 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: DBrow

I remember when delivering newspapers as a kid. Back then (in the late 60’s era for me) newspapers were delivered in the afternoon after school. I bought albums, clothes and other stuff...Wasn’t a lot of money but enough for spending
and prices were not so outrageous on items like today!


32 posted on 07/03/2009 9:16:44 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: dragnet2

‘Bush didn’t have a love affair with illegals
BS...He not only aided and abetted this violent invasion for 8 years, he publicly encouraged it while calling Americans that had a belly full, “vigilantes”.

Ya think everyone forgot about his 8 years in office?

During the Bush years, millions of illegals were so damn embolden by his administration, they marched on our cities and towns by the *millions* making threats and demands, while pushing foreign flags in your faces.. ‘


Your solution, Pelham? Elect Obama. Right? How’s the HOPE and CHANGE working out for you?


33 posted on 07/03/2009 9:16:53 PM PDT by Rembrandt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: dragnet2

‘Bush didn’t have a love affair with illegals
BS...He not only aided and abetted this violent invasion for 8 years, he publicly encouraged it while calling Americans that had a belly full, “vigilantes”.

Ya think everyone forgot about his 8 years in office?

During the Bush years, millions of illegals were so damn embolden by his administration, they marched on our cities and towns by the *millions* making threats and demands, while pushing foreign flags in your faces.. ‘

And Dragnet2 favors changing the system to a peaceful, kumbaya, system where love just overflows. Hey, Dragnet2, how’s it working out so far for you and your love child, the Bamster?


34 posted on 07/03/2009 9:19:55 PM PDT by Rembrandt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt

Other than post 9-11 and the very last months the Bush years were fairly good for employment and the economy did OK. He could have done better by not spending so much
and agreeing to that behemoth TARP 1 package that schmuck Henry Paulson foisted on all of us!


35 posted on 07/03/2009 9:22:43 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt
Bush didn’t have a love affair with illegals, ...

What?

36 posted on 07/03/2009 9:23:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Government has no authority, absent a declared national emergency, to set the price of labor in entry-level jobs; i.e., the minimum wage. If the market was allowed to set the price of entry-level labor, it might be easier for no-job-experience youth to find gainful employment.

But, sadly, the prnciple of government constrained by a written constitution has long been abandoned, declared null and of no effect.


37 posted on 07/03/2009 9:27:15 PM PDT by Elsiejay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt; Pelham; dragnet2
Maybe didn't love illegals as much as he loved their culture. He wanted a "new America" and honestly if it weren't for 9-11 he might have had it.

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

38 posted on 07/03/2009 9:59:51 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: raybbr

Yes, that’s classic Jorge Arbusto. I was worried that he was bad news back in 2000 because this sort of crap was in his speeches. He lived down to my low expectations.


39 posted on 07/03/2009 10:02:50 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Pelham

I’m sure the Pacific northwest is looking good to the Californians right about now. The only place I really care about in CA is Silicon valley, looks that has the viability of Detroit long term.


40 posted on 07/03/2009 10:47:30 PM PDT by John Will
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

I stand to lose my job. I work for a Boy Scouts of American Coumcil, donations are rock bottom. The Executives have done their jobs, people just don’t have the money. :( I really don’t want to be unemployed at my age and out looking for a job with this high rate of unemployment.


41 posted on 07/03/2009 11:05:05 PM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: television is just wrong
I remained "employed", but with no contracts converting my labor to income for the company from Nov 2008 until June 22, 2009. I burned over 200 hours of vacation keeping the household finances solvent. I'm now 930 miles from home. I have productive work and I'm no longer bleeding vacation hours to stay afloat. It's no picnic. The commute is 30 miles to work. I'm wasting 2 to 3 hours a day commuting vs working from my home office with a zero commute. The commute alone sucks $1200 per month to operate my vehicle. Food costs are higher as well. I'm allergic to something in the air in San Diego, so I have a perpetual sore throat. I'm looking forward to securing work that I can do in Idaho so I can return home.
42 posted on 07/03/2009 11:57:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: passionfruit

not only are they competing with illegals, if they are hired by a hispanic boss, they are hired at lower wages than their illegal coworkers, not to mention their coworkers speaking almost entirely in spanish amongst themselves, leaving the teen feeling isolated - Laraza motto: for us, everything, for them, nothing


43 posted on 07/04/2009 1:37:30 AM PDT by blueplum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

Am I reading this article correctly?

Kids who can’t find summer jobs are included in the unemployment numbers? How does that work? Do they get benefits?

______________________________________________
From the article:

For teenagers, the summer job market has not been so bleak in generations. During what should be the start of the bustling summer job season, the unemployment rate for 16- to 19-year-olds who want work is 24%—the worst since 1965....

“The biggest problem [in the report] was that the summer job market for teenagers was nonexistent,” says Joel Naroff, of Naroff Economic Advisors, in a note. “The 24% unemployment rate for this group was the second-highest since the end of World War II. While teenagers comprise only 4% of the workforce, they made up over 22% of the increase in unemployment in June.”


44 posted on 07/04/2009 2:37:59 AM PDT by Timeout (The Brits have their royal family. We have our privileged "public servant" class.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rembrandt

“Your solution, Pelham? Elect Obama. Right? How’s the HOPE and CHANGE working out for you?”

And this is what passes for logic among GOP-bots. Got stupidity, Rembrandt?


45 posted on 07/04/2009 11:29:06 AM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: John Will

Most neighboring states look good to them. I have friends who have moved on to Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona. When they come back to visit they are shocked by the changes here. A lot of them left before the graffiti and gangs began wrecking the once pleasant suburbs.


46 posted on 07/04/2009 11:42:33 AM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson