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Papal Message Seeks "Global Authority" for Economy
Reuters ^ | July 7, 2009 | Phillip Pullella

Posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:02 AM PDT by TheRiverNile

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

The pope made his call for a re-think of the way the world economy is run in a new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.

Parts of the encyclical, titled "Charity in Truth," seemed bound to upset free marketeers because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.

The pope said every economic decision had a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.

Benedict said "there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result."

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To: Grunthor

I believe that train of thought was not the pope as anti christ but as the false prophet....in cahoots with the anti christ....not my philosophy, just one I’ve also heard...


201 posted on 07/07/2009 2:15:08 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Let men marry men and women marry women... and in 3 generations, there will be no democrats...)
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To: All

I posted this elsewhere, but it may be more appropriate in this main thread.
George Weigel gives his commentary on the paper... http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTdkYjU3MDE2YTdhZTE4NWIyN2FkY2U5YTFkM2ZiMmE=


202 posted on 07/07/2009 2:19:42 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies

All fascists/all the time.

I'll have to look over this thread. I'm guessing the rapture theorists are getting all excited about it.

203 posted on 07/07/2009 2:28:41 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The Beast?


205 posted on 07/07/2009 2:34:16 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Apparently the pope ain’t a free market capitalist.

Probably isn’t celebrating Calvin’s 500th either.

The only controlled markets I recall from the bible were within beseiged, decadent cities.


206 posted on 07/07/2009 2:50:31 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: SMCC1
Weigel's essay is mostly interesting for the way in which he attempts to bury the lede, leaving the "world political authority" stuff for the last few paragraphs, and then trying to soft pedal the explosive doctrine as "the warbling of an untuned piccolo" that comes not from Pope Benedict, but from some shady group called "The Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace."

It just doesn't wash. Pope Benedict signed the Encyclical, right? It's his. And in it he said, "Obviously [the new world political entity] would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties." That means "authority" from the barrel of a gun.

Pope Benedict favors an armed world government. That's the shocking news should have been the lede in Weigel's essay, and his failure to put it there makes me question his loyalty to the principles and liberty, freedom, and national sovereignty.

207 posted on 07/07/2009 2:59:10 PM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: SMCC1
This document isn’t ex cathedra, so it’s not infallible. Only on matters of faith and morals.

So brother Benedict is now just as blogger.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
208 posted on 07/07/2009 3:00:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: TheRiverNile
The pope's call for a supranational body to tackle global economic woes disturbed some Catholic capitalists.

They need to be prepared for more disturbances --

209 posted on 07/07/2009 3:02:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: vladimir998

My comment had to do with the Bible’s prediction of a one-world government ultimately headed by the anti-Christ. it had nothing to do with capitalism. I think you are the ignorant one.


210 posted on 07/07/2009 3:05:06 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: jimfree
You can't propose what he's proposing and be a "great moral leader". The results of what he is proposing couldn't be any more immoral. It is slavery for all of man.
211 posted on 07/07/2009 3:07:00 PM PDT by DB
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To: SMCC1
This document isn’t ex cathedra, so it’s not infallible. Only on matters of faith and morals.

Sounds like it touched on faith and morals to me: faith in the leaders of the New World Order and the new socialistic definition of "morality".

212 posted on 07/07/2009 3:07:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: TheRiverNile

Someone please tell me this was quoted wrong.


213 posted on 07/07/2009 3:13:10 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Uncle Chip

After plenty of years in Catholic schools, I know what’s infallible and what’s not. This is not.


214 posted on 07/07/2009 3:13:29 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: TheRiverNile

Since he had prior dealings with unsavory types, I guess that is still affecting his mind.


215 posted on 07/07/2009 3:13:34 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!! VOTE AGAINST DIMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: TheRiverNile
**Papal Message Seeks "Global Authority" for Economy**

Totally leftist spin. Here is the truth.

Benedict XVI Tightens Up the Church's Social Teaching

Excerpts from Pope Benedict XVI New Encyclical "CARITAS IN VERITATE" (CHARITY AND TRUTH)

Love for others requires involvement in politics, pope says

216 posted on 07/07/2009 3:14:00 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: TheRiverNile

Its shocking naivete. You cannot have everyone in every country make $20 an hour and live a comfortable modest life with clean drinking water and health insurance.

Money, unlike Water does not seek its own level , it forms balloons and peaks.


217 posted on 07/07/2009 3:14:28 PM PDT by omega4179 (Not my Communist in Chief.)
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To: angelcindy; ConservativeMind
I am catholic and I think the pope should be more worried about saving souls of the earth and not the money........you cannot have 2 masters...

Have you read the actual encyclical or are you forming your opinions based on a Reuters article?

Benedict XVI explains gifts and limitations of free market economy

218 posted on 07/07/2009 3:14:53 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: ps2

“These 10 kings will rule in nations from the old Roman Empire (modern day Europe) just prior to the 2nd coming of Christ, and Jesus will destroy their kingdoms and set up His own at His return.”

But remember that the statue that correlates to the various kingdoms and the beasts, the final Roman Empire, has two legs. That the legs was the first Roman Empire, the two feet, will also come from the two legs. I do think that the West tends to forget that the Roman Empire had been in two pieces in her history, with Byzantium being the last to fall. So, the raised Roman Empire of the end times could well be 10 “kings” from the entire old Roman Empire, including North Africa, the area around Israel, and who knows, even the UK. It could very well be bigger than just Europe.


219 posted on 07/07/2009 3:15:34 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: HollyB
Incredible to witness the deception happening in our age.
Another reason to focus on His words and His words alone-John 14:6- in these perilous times.
220 posted on 07/07/2009 3:16:52 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Bo the dog came with more papers than his owner.)
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To: Larry Lucido; All

I am getting sick and tired of all the people who fall for the leftist spin on Catholicism.

I’m not picking on anyone in particular, just venting.


221 posted on 07/07/2009 3:16:58 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Double Tap

Read the post above this with bright red links for the truth.


222 posted on 07/07/2009 3:17:36 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Brett66

Why are you bashing the Catholic Church and the Pope. Please read the entire encyclical and don’t belive Reuters at all!


223 posted on 07/07/2009 3:18:29 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: TheRiverNile
I'm shocked at this. Anybody care to explain? I've always held Pope Benedict in high esteem, so I'm baffled by this.

You have fallen prey, my freeper friend, for msm spin.

Benedict XVI explains gifts and limitations of free market economy

I would suggest you actually read the encyclical, at the link provided in the article.

224 posted on 07/07/2009 3:19:12 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: SMCC1
After plenty of years in Catholic schools, I know what’s infallible and what’s not. This is not.

I got news for you -- everything that comes from this man's mouth or pen or keyboard is fallible.

225 posted on 07/07/2009 3:20:45 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: TheRiverNile

The Pope’s position is an easy one to understand. He is the last of a long line of de facto kings.

Representative republics, and the idea of individuals making important decisions for their own lives (material or spiritual) are concepts contrary to his entire religion.

Note that Catholics do not allow the individual the freedom of religious ideas that Protestants enjoy. Central control is central to Catholicism.

Alas, central decision making has less success than diffused, decentralized decision making.


226 posted on 07/07/2009 3:21:13 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: SMCC1
As a Catholic, I ignore anything the Church says about economics.

That's what great about Catholicism--you don't really have to take it seriously.

227 posted on 07/07/2009 3:21:14 PM PDT by Misterioso (Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: TheRiverNile
Here's another "truth" thread.

Benedict XVI explains gifts and limitations of free market economy

Why doesn't everyone understand that the media will always ATTACK the Catholic Church? Don't believe them -- read the actual document!

228 posted on 07/07/2009 3:21:19 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Misterioso

You can ignore anything that’s not infallible.


229 posted on 07/07/2009 3:22:48 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: FourtySeven
I think again it's important to note that the Pope isn't proposing any specific way this world body would behave other than to say it should be as the UN was supposed to be: a body that would protect the rights of all people.

We must have a reason, based in reason, to reject a proposal. We can't simply reject an idea simply because we were taught to always reject it. That's not the way “reason” works; quite frankly that's how animals behave.

Fair words, but let's look at these words:

“Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums.”

This is not the UN, nor how it was ever intended to be. The UN specifically has no authority—that is the left up to international law and militaries, coupled with sanctions and such that can be agreed upon by the individual countries that make up the UN.

You see, the UN is supposed to be a gathering place whereby countries can seek agreement or disagreement, but in the end, they work independently. Some countries may not agree with something and do not “approve” such items. Should actions taken be left up to the UN? They never have before. The UN has only “peacekeeping” forces—they can't shoot or anything. That is left to the militaries of countries, such as the US, UK, Russia, to enforce things that might need military force.

The Pope is looking for a body that has enforcement powers over any and all countries. That is simply clear in his words.

Additionally, the Pope should know that political bodies do not make people accept Christ, so why should anyone listen to his words on this? His importance surrounds things of Christ, not things of politics, although he is the head of the Vatican, a very small “country” of its own.

He should shut up ASAP on this other stuff, save for wanting to help change people's hearts.

230 posted on 07/07/2009 3:26:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: NYer; angelcindy

I read the encyclical. See post #143.


231 posted on 07/07/2009 3:27:07 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: StAnDeliver
Thanks for the reasoned response?

Is the Catholic eschatology far different from the Protestant version? I'm just curious, since this seems to be the heart of the matter.
232 posted on 07/07/2009 3:27:44 PM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: Larry Lucido; TheRiverNile
Let me say what I always say on threads dealing with papal statements as reported by the Enemedia: don't rush to judgment based on some smidgeon of excerpt/interpretation selected and made available to you by Reuters.

No, I haven't read the whole encyclical --- over 30,000 words and 159 footnotes ---- but just skimmimg the text, my eyes happened to light on this:

"Economy and finance, as instruments, can be used badly when those at the helm are motivated by purely selfish ends. Instruments that are good in themselves can thereby be formed into harmful ones. But it is man's darkened reason that produces these consequences, not the instrument per se. Therefore it is not the instrument that must be called to account, but individuals, their moral conscience and their personal and social responsibility."

This sounds to me, not like an indictment of market economies and their instruments, but a call to individuals to exercise personal responsibility.

Waiting for Reuters to take that angle? Don't hold your breath.

233 posted on 07/07/2009 3:30:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler."--- Einstein)
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To: 444Flyer
Incredible to witness the deception happening in our age. Another reason to focus on His words and His words alone-John 14:6- in these perilous times

And as you can see, the scripture prophecy is coming true that the minds of many will be blinded...

234 posted on 07/07/2009 3:31:36 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You need to read the Pope’s words in context, in post #143.


235 posted on 07/07/2009 3:33:35 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This sounds to me, not like an indictment of market economies and their instruments, but a call to individuals to exercise personal responsibility.

IF, I say IF, the quote in which the Pope calls for global organizations "with teeth" is true, then all the other words in the encyclical are rendered moot.

Again, assuming the quote is accurate, he is clearly calling for centralized world government with the power to coerce by force. The Catholic Church has no right to get back into the centralized world government business. Period.

I mean no offense, I simply believe he is flat wrong.

236 posted on 07/07/2009 3:35:18 PM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE crimes.)
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To: NYer

So, is there no discussion of a global economic authority? I didn’t see any in the link provided (which I read).


237 posted on 07/07/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: rawhide

Bingo. Yes, there will be a one-world economy, government and religion. A dreadful beast (Daniel the Prophet).

It’s just a matter of time ... The God of Israel has foretold it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013;&version=9;

Revelation 13 (King James Version)

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


238 posted on 07/07/2009 3:36:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: SMCC1

How can a “thing” be infallible?


239 posted on 07/07/2009 3:36:52 PM PDT by Misterioso (Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Iscool; All

Why do The Republicans on FRee Republic NOT believe the media when they spin things leftist on politics, but everyone is so quick to believe the lamestream media when it spins Catholicism to the left??????

I’m frankly getting sick and tired of it.

I’m not picking on you as an individual, but thanks for letting me vent!


240 posted on 07/07/2009 3:37:08 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Iscool
It's painful to watch Iscool.
241 posted on 07/07/2009 3:37:35 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Bo the dog came with more papers than his owner.)
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To: Salvation
Why doesn't everyone understand that the media will always ...

Because the world is looking, really looking for either the 12th Imam or the Rapture. I've rolled much of this behavior over and over in my mind, in scriptures, and ancient texts of most religions.

0bama won on Hope & Change, yet we're specifically told to "hope in the Lord," Psalms 16:8-9 NKJV,1 Peter 1:13 NKJV. Many will be deceived and 'fall away from faith,'1 Timothy 4:1.

World culture today places little hope or faith in the church. Even those who claim Christian, look elsewhere instead of to the Lord. All these things must come to pass.

243 posted on 07/07/2009 3:37:55 PM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: Misterioso

How can you not know what I meant?


244 posted on 07/07/2009 3:40:12 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: vladimir998

Well, if he knows so much about the Bible, then how come he can’t even get salvation right? An honest question.


245 posted on 07/07/2009 3:42:26 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Let men marry men and women marry women... and in 3 generations, there will be no democrats...)
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To: ConservativeMind

You need to read better. Read this in light of subsidiarity. Do you even know that that is?


246 posted on 07/07/2009 3:42:29 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: MrDem

You wrote:

“You ignorantly assume that just because I/we currently pay taxes to go to entitlement programs, somehow that makes it ok or moral? BZZ! Try again.”

You’re being extremely ignorant. Are taxes inherently against morality? No.


247 posted on 07/07/2009 3:43:42 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Salvation
Why doesn't everyone understand that the media will always ATTACK the Catholic Church?

And that Free Republic will place that attack at the top of Breaking News, inviting a Catholic-bash-fest.

248 posted on 07/07/2009 3:46:03 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (I am not a spinner.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You wrote:

“I just did. You are beyond stretching the truth.”

Nope. Read the book “Jesus, Peter and the Keys” if you want it in more detail.

“You don’t like the question, so you pose another and fail to answer both. Pathetic.”

No, you’re pathetic. Only someone pathetic would think that a Church must be named in the Bible to prove it is from Christ. Last time I checked the Bible was from God and it was still just called the Bible - and not by God either.

“There is no precedent for this anywhere in Jewish practice.”

Doesn’t have to be. There’s no precedent in Jewish practice for God becoming a man either.

“You can’t find in the Tanakh anything presaging this conclusion. His statement was metaphorical and symbolic, just as was the passover lamb was a symbol of Him.”

No, Psalm 27:2 shows it was not a metaphor. Do you know why?

“Somehow I’ve missed the RCC keeping that Sabbath thingy. This is pure spin on your part.”

Nope. No spin ever. We keep the sabbath - we just keep it in the New Covenant.


249 posted on 07/07/2009 3:48:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ConservativeMind; All

Re-reading the paragraph in question, I can see your point. I don’t have any response at this time, at least none that could be a cogent reply. Perhaps later.

I’m mainly posting this to say thanks for your input, and also as a placemarker in the thread. This discussion should be interesting.

I would also like to encourage my fellow Catholics to consider this point carefully. While I have read a good number of articles offered on FR explaining the meaning behind the Encyclical, and how it shouldn’t be taken as a call for a “one world government with enforcement powers”, I must admit, in the interests of intellectual honesty and “poverty of spirit” on my part that paragraph 67 seems quite clear on this, at least at this time. And none of the articles I’ve read in “defense” of the Encyclical have addressed that paragraph point blank.

I’m looking forward to the discussion this should generate, hopefully not the usual anti-Catholic diatribe but actual discussion on this point. Ultimately of course, Catholics are not bound to agree with the Pope when he proposes specific economic and political structures, but I do not like to rely on this “fall-back position” too often, as it seems to be a bit of a cop out when abused.

After all, he is the Pope, and as Catholics, we shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss his thoughts on any subject, regardless of whether or not we “have to” agree with them, just because they might at times be inconvenient to our own personal philosophies that do not directly speak towards “faith and morals”, such as politics and economics.

However, again, as of right now I may have to leave it at that, that I disagree with his proposal for a world government “with teeth”, and I am free to do so, as the term “with teeth” is a purely political suggestion, and not a teaching of “faith and morals”.


250 posted on 07/07/2009 3:49:24 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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