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AP, Reuters Go Full Tilt in Spinning Latest Writing of Pope
NewsBusters.org ^ | 7/7/2009 | Matthew Balan

Posted on 07/07/2009 6:12:03 PM PDT by Pyro7480

Pope Benedict XVI | NewsBusters.orgTwo major wire services- AP and Reuters- cherry picked excerpts from Pope Benedict XVI’s latest encyclical (a teaching document of the Catholic Church) on Tuesday to support left-wing economic and political positions, and all but ignored the pontiff’s traditional stances on the family, bioethics, and the environment. The AP also went so far to bring up “the state of the Vatican’s own [financial] books.”

Both Philip Pullella, who regularly writes about the Pope and the Vatican for Reuters, and the AP’s Nicole Winfield zeroed in on paragraph 67 of the encyclical, which is titled “Caritas in Veritate,” or “Charity in Truth,” which was released was signed by the Bishop of Rome on June 29, and released on Tuesday. In this paragraph, to use Pullella’s lede, “Pope Benedict…called for a ‘world political authority’ to manage the global economy.”

...While Pope Benedict did call for a “world political authority” and a “reform of the United Nations,” both authors (not to mention spectators on the left and the right) missed the context of this call....

Earlier in the document, in paragraph 57, Benedict forwarded the principle of “subsidiarity,” which has a clear meaning in Catholic social teaching. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, “the principle of subsidiarity is opposed to all forms of collectivism. It sets limits for state intervention....” The pope applied this in the context of the theme of the encyclical:

Subsidiarity is the most effective antidote against any form of all encompassing welfare state….In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity....

(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...


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It seems that some FReepers have fallen for the spin...
1 posted on 07/07/2009 6:12:05 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/07/2009 6:13:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

AP and Reuters, along with the rest of the left-wing Government Run Media, have been shilling for communism for the last 50 years. As soon as the American people get a little taste of what it really means, they run the other direction.


3 posted on 07/07/2009 6:16:29 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Pyro7480

what are peoples opinion on this?


4 posted on 07/07/2009 6:16:34 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: Pyro7480

“It seems that some FReepers have fallen for the spin.”

Not a surprise if one’s entire mindset, including one’s religious beliefs, is shaped by one form or another of parochial American politics.


5 posted on 07/07/2009 6:18:00 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Pyro7480

“It seems that some FReepers have fallen for the spin...”

Pyro, I can’t speak for the article, but the Pope is clearly calling for a true world political authority (with teeth) that’s mission is to redistribute wealth. That’s not spin. That’s fact.


6 posted on 07/07/2009 6:19:49 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pyro7480

Pope Benedict is much wiser than the stooges that report on him for AP and Reuters.


7 posted on 07/07/2009 6:20:31 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Pyro7480

The Godless Communists speak again.


8 posted on 07/07/2009 6:21:19 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Kolokotronis

***Not a surprise if one’s entire mindset, including one’s religious beliefs, is shaped by one form or another of parochial American politics.***

Let us not give short shrift to the anti Catholicism that lives in small puddles amidst the duckweed and tadpoles of our society; as well as the anti Catholicism that reeks and festers in the third highest office in the land, along with many allies.


9 posted on 07/07/2009 6:22:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes, but as I noted on another thread, it’s guided by subsidiarity. The author of the article I posted from NewsBusters made the same point, and quoted from the Catechism as to the anti-collective nature of subsidiarity.


10 posted on 07/07/2009 6:22:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480; Kolokotronis
Pyro,
I know you have seen this. I am quoting salient points...
 
67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. ...
 
To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. ...
 
Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums.
 
Full document: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.htm

11 posted on 07/07/2009 6:25:42 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I know you are, but you’re clearly ignoring my point, and are in full panic mode.


12 posted on 07/07/2009 6:26:50 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

“Yes, but as I noted on another thread, it’s guided by subsidiarity.”

It’s setting the stage for the Antichrist.


13 posted on 07/07/2009 6:27:09 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: remaxagnt
You make up your own mind. The following is directly from the Pope's writing:

In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.

14 posted on 07/07/2009 6:27:56 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Kolokotronis

As I just said, you’re in full panic mode, seeing something that’s not there. Kolokotronis, who is Eastern Orthodox, has no such qualms about it.


15 posted on 07/07/2009 6:32:01 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

“I know you are, but you’re clearly ignoring my point, and are in full panic mode.”

I’m actually very calm. I’m sitting here drinking my coffee in a very calm manner.

Your point is that a world government is OK if it’s “it’s guided by subsidiarity”. That like saying an abortion is OK if it’s done with humility.


16 posted on 07/07/2009 6:32:42 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Kolokotronis

You have FReepmail.


17 posted on 07/07/2009 6:32:57 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Your point is that a world government is OK if it’s “it’s guided by subsidiarity”. That like saying an abortion is OK if it’s done with humility.

That's a daft comparison.

18 posted on 07/07/2009 6:33:43 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480; Kolokotronis

“seeing something that’s not there. Kolokotronis, who is Eastern Orthodox, has no such qualms about it.”

Well, they don’t really like the book of the Revelation anyway.

And perhaps Kolokotronis has not had time to peruse the encycle.


19 posted on 07/07/2009 6:34:44 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pyro7480

“That’s a daft comparison.”

In the light of the knowledge of governments and human nature, the idea of a world political authority is daft.


20 posted on 07/07/2009 6:37:28 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Stop obsessing over that one paragraph! You’re like the AP and Reuters writers. Read the whole thing- the Pope is familiar with human nature and the role of national government.


21 posted on 07/07/2009 6:43:19 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

“And perhaps Kolokotronis has not had time to peruse the encycle.”

Read the whole thing this afternoon. I think it is a work of patristic genius. There is nothing here, PM, that The Church, at base, hasn’t been teaching for 2000 years. Read +John Chrysostomos “On Wealth and Poverty” and compare it to what +BXVI has written.


22 posted on 07/07/2009 6:48:50 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Pyro7480

“Stop obsessing over that one paragraph! “

Pyro, we are living in a day when:

the nations of the world are turning against Israel,

the leadership of the G8 is calling for one world currency,

one of the leading evangelical preachers is calling for all religions to work together for the common good,

Christianity is being actively suppressed by multiculturalism and barred from the public square,

the American president is a Socialist,

abortion is epidemic,

homosexuals are idolized

and now the Pope is calling for a World Government with muscle to act for the “common good”.

I’m not obsessing, it’s just another piece of the puzzle falling in place.


23 posted on 07/07/2009 6:54:28 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pyro7480
I think a lot of people are missing this line:

"The Church does not have technical solutions to offer[10] and does not claim “to interfere in any way in the politics of States.”[11]"

The Holy Father is not saying the economy should be under the rule of some one-world government. He's saying if we continue with the current, globalized economic model, there will need to be such a system out of necessity to prevent oppression or further dehumanization. He poses no objections to scrapping a globalized economy entirely if there's another system the world is willing to adopt, nor is the Holy Father in a position to dictate which economic model is best.

Sometimes it helps to read more than a sentence of a 100-page document. There's a lot of great stuff in there.
24 posted on 07/07/2009 6:57:23 PM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Speaking of abortion and homosexuality, the Pope addressed both in the encyclical. But is that secondary to you now?


25 posted on 07/07/2009 7:00:01 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
That's the way I see it too. I think I'll quit driving the ladies to Church Bingo.....

To say I'm disappointed in this man would be an understatement - based on the points you listed.

26 posted on 07/07/2009 7:01:22 PM PDT by investigateworld ( For a perfect example of Rule 13, visit any Free Trade thread)
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To: investigateworld

Oh, good grief...


27 posted on 07/07/2009 7:01:53 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: remaxagnt

My opinion is that the media is always going to spin anything the Pope says to try to convince Catholics that it’s ok to have abortions, to divorce, and even not to go to Church. Thanks to the Free Republic responders, we can get a clear picture of exactly what has been spun. This is the first time in our history as a nation that there is an alternative media (that is us). Have you noticed that there are actually solid Republican lawmakers on Fox for the first time? All is not lost! By the way, I am a “Latin Mass Only” person. I don’t care if I have to travel 75 miles each way every Sunday for Mass (which I do)


28 posted on 07/07/2009 7:03:59 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: Kolokotronis; Pyro7480

“Read the whole thing this afternoon. I think it is a work of patristic genius.”

Kolokotronis, what is the purpose of calling for a world government when it will wind up being a United Nations on steroids?

Has human nature improved markedly since the founding of the UN in 45?

Didn’t Jesus entirely avoid earthly political strategics and disavow them when he said, “my Kingdom is not of this world”?


29 posted on 07/07/2009 7:04:23 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pyro7480

“Speaking of abortion and homosexuality, the Pope addressed both in the encyclical. But is that secondary to you now?”

No, I am glad for any time the Pope speaks the truth. I am not anti-catholic and I seek to be fair minded. I have much more respect for this Pope that the previous one (who seemed to be a real separatist).

But calling for a world government is an abomination, period. I don’t care who puts the idea forth.


30 posted on 07/07/2009 7:08:10 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pyro7480
Trust me, I'd be just as disappointed if Billy Graham or any other so called Protestant Leader were to propose such poppy cock.

And if you were aware of my posting history, you'd know during the homo- priests scandals, I was citing my experiences from when I was a crimes against children investigator to 'splain the numbers weren't out of whack as far as the whole RCC priesthood.

The guy is supposed to be aware of man's short comings? And he opens the door to a Food Fuhrer? A "Fairness to all" via taking away from the haves - with teeth?

Oy!

31 posted on 07/07/2009 7:10:48 PM PDT by investigateworld ( For a perfect example of Rule 13, visit any Free Trade thread)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

“(who seemed to be a real separatist).”

Sorry - that should have read, (who seemed to be a real syncretist).


32 posted on 07/07/2009 7:13:32 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pyro7480

What many of today’s generation forget is that the Catholic Church was the greatest opponent of Communism and collectivism after the Second World War. I can still remember the nuns in my school warning about what would happen to the world if the reds won the cold war. The fact that some of these same nuns had been raped and maimed by red army troops in Eastern Europe at the end of that war lent those lessons a special poignancy.


33 posted on 07/07/2009 7:42:33 PM PDT by Larry381 ("in the final instance civilization is always saved by a platoon of soldiers" Oswald Spengler)
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To: Kolokotronis


Read the whole thing this afternoon. I think it is a work of patristic genius. There is nothing here, PM, that The Church, at base, hasn’t been teaching for 2000 years. Read +John Chrysostomos “On Wealth and Poverty” and compare it to what +BXVI has written.


I think I found some things the church has not been teaching for 2000 years. As instructed, I will compare Chrysostomos to this encyclical.

"Wealth and Poverty" never advocates greater government involvement, nor a "social justice" model of commerce (this encyclical does). It explores the parable of Lazarus and the rich man asking how individuals should handle wealth for salvation.

I find nothing consistent between Chrysostomos advocating individuals donating to the poor(individual piety freely given), and this encyclical veering into discussing a state that forcibly takes wealth and "redistributes" it to others-- not for necessary public services but for "social justice" and "market justice".

Much in this encyclical is an ordinary and unsurprising natural growth from previous christian thought. It's not all bad. But perhaps the document veers from its core competency when they get to talking about government redistribution so much.

35. “But the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance of distributive justice and social justice for the market economy...”

Unfortunately people who talk a lot about "distributive justice" and "social justice" today look to coercive socialist government models that involve crushing levels of taxation and punitive means to enforce their own vision of piety. While Chrysostomos advocated that individuals donate to the poor, he never suggested that centurians should force merchants to give money to less successful merchants, or subsidize buyers with less money.

36.”Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.”

Here the encyclical decries government inaction, and calls for greater government market intervention to create "justice" with "redistribution". Lost are the real world lessons that corruption, injustice and oppression often coincide with greater government involvement.

Some examples of governments that pursued justice through greater intervention in the market include Cambodia, North Korea, Stalin's USSR, etc... These are extreme examples but there are many more examples of greater government intervention leading to more suffering and a less Christian outcome. Maybe the encyclical should have tread more carefully in bemoaning government inaction in the market.

37.”Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics...”

Why does it need redistribution? Maybe they have wandered well beyond a natural extrapolation of Christian teaching, don't you think? Certainly it not anything consistent with what Chrysostomos. If the scope of what they are talking about is caring for the most needy and impoverished, they should say so, instead of broadly advocating "redistribution".

I really like the section where they say that individuals should reflect on their behavior at every level of commerce. Our actions affect lots of people. It's when the document veers from individual piety to collective that they wander afield. When the document starts explicitly advocating greater government involvement and "market justice" they are on dangerous ground. In any case I totally disagree with the suggestion that this is what the Christian church has taught for 2000 years.
34 posted on 07/07/2009 8:23:10 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

relevant links to make up your own mind.

Encyclical:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

On Wealth and Poverty:
(see especially section 35-42)

http://books.google.com/books?id=r3U_Ym4G5zQC&dq=%22on+wealth+and+poverty%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=U6GimrbZsL&sig=RQ9UdZDu_syS_eHgunRzRb2Ex8E&hl=en&ei=MRVUSvy_EITatgPMmsmYDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3


35 posted on 07/07/2009 8:43:04 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Pyro7480

**It seems that some FReepers have fallen for the spin...**

It sure didn’t take them long to do it either.


36 posted on 07/07/2009 9:57:20 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Pyro7480
AP, Reuters Go Full Tilt in Spinning Latest Writing of Pope

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Benedict XVI Tightens Up the Church's Social Teaching

Excerpts from Pope Benedict XVI New Encyclical "CARITAS IN VERITATE" (CHARITY AND TRUTH)

Love for others requires involvement in politics, pope says

37 posted on 07/07/2009 9:57:41 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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38 posted on 07/07/2009 9:58:13 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: remaxagnt

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2287729/posts?page=37#37


39 posted on 07/07/2009 9:58:34 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

You are cherry picking. Why is it Republican FReepers do not believe the liberal spin of the lamestream media on politics. But when it comes to Catholicism, they believe the ABCNNBCBSers?


40 posted on 07/07/2009 10:01:45 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: anniegetyourgun; Salvation

Please tell me where the misqoutes are in AGYG’s post #14?


41 posted on 07/07/2009 10:14:05 PM PDT by investigateworld ( For a perfect example of Rule 13, visit any Free Trade thread)
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To: mike182d

“He’s saying if we continue with the current, globalized economic model, there will need to be such a system out of necessity to prevent oppression or further dehumanization”.

I commend you for expressing so well in one sentence the whole premise of what the Pope is addressing.

As a dear friend of mine told me today: “All human forms of government will eventually pass away and we, the faithful, will live in a monarchial model with the King”.

Meanwhile........


42 posted on 07/07/2009 10:15:12 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Salvation
"You are cherry picking."
 
Come on Sal! You know I don't do that.
 

"Why is it Republican FReepers do not believe the liberal spin of the lamestream media on politics. But when it comes to Catholicism, they believe the ABCNNBCBSers?"
 
I haven't read the media spin - I just looked through the encyclical.
 
The Pope is taling about a "true world political authority" with "teeth" - and one that "redistributes wealth".
 

43 posted on 07/07/2009 10:15:58 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: mike182d
The Holy Father is not saying the economy should be under the rule of some one-world government. He's saying if we continue with the current, globalized economic model, there will need to be such a system out of necessity to prevent oppression or further dehumanization.

Now this is pure spin. The Holy Father said "there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago".

I only hope that the misguided secular views of this Pope do not wreak as much havoc on the Catholic Church as the misguided secular views of John XXIII did.

44 posted on 07/07/2009 11:50:41 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: investigateworld
Why don't you read this instead?

The New Encyclical [Cairtas in Veritate -- Love and Truth] {Ecumenical]

45 posted on 07/07/2009 11:52:50 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Pyro7480; Salvation; NYer
Spin indeed. I'm reading this slowly and carefully and, quite frankly, BXVI has written one of the most brilliant social commentaries of our day. There's so much there and it's a grave disservice to anyone who truly wishes to understand what the teaching is to rely on secular forces for that information. It requires study and some knowledge of the writings of Leo XIII, Paul VI and JPII in the proper context.

I fear that this one is going to be judged as Humanae Vitae is - widespread acceptance of a half-asked nontruth where no one bothers to learn the theology and reasoning behind it because of excised passages. That is intellectually lazy and proves a lot of BXVI's points in the encyclical itself.

46 posted on 07/08/2009 4:26:29 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Mount Athos

I’m a bit surprised at your response, MA. You know who +John Chrysostomos was preaching to in his Homilies, it was to the ruling elites of the Empire, the government. Homily L on Matthew is a good example:

“Do you really wish to pay homage to Christ’s body? Then do not neglect him when he is naked. At the same time that you honor him here [in Church] with hangings made of silk, do not ignore him outside when he perishes from cold and nakedness. For the One who said “This is my body”… also said “When I was hungry you gave me nothing to eat.”… For is there any point in his table being laden with golden cups while he himself is perishing from hunger? First fill him when he is hungry and then set his table with lavish ornaments. Are you making a golden cup for him at the very moment when you refuse to give him a cup of cold water? Do you decorate his table with cloths flecked with gold, while at the same time you neglect to give him what is necessary for him to cover himself? … I’m saying all this not to forbid your gifts of munificence, but to admonish you to perform those other duties at the same time, or rather before, you do these. No one was ever condemned for neglecting to be munificent: for the neglect of others hell
itself is threatened, as well as unquenchable fire....”

Here at sec. 4 he isn’t speaking to the local shoemaker, MA. It was the imperial nobility and the great merchants who decorated the churches of The City and they, MA, were the government.


47 posted on 07/08/2009 5:06:56 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

“Kolokotronis, what is the purpose of calling for a world government when it will wind up being a United Nations on steroids?”

I must have missed that part, PM. Can you give me a cite?


48 posted on 07/08/2009 5:15:09 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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49 posted on 07/08/2009 5:53:20 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Pyro7480

I don’t believe 1 in 100 commentators have read it. I’m only on page 3 so far!


50 posted on 07/08/2009 6:41:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (In addition to living on the Riviera, the Goths ...)
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