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The Deception Behind The Soviet Union Collapse
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Posted on 07/09/2009 7:04:45 AM PDT by Fennie

Christopher Story - The Perestroika Dedeption

A 'friend' tipped me off to this video and it is very interesting. The interview explains how the 'fall' of the Soviet Union was staged for the West to lower it's guard, so Russia and China can achieve global dominance.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3625436796243208628

(Excerpt) Read more at liveleak.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; Russia
KEYWORDS: bho44; china; cia; coldwar2; communism; fnord; iran; israel; kgb; obama; putin; russia; sovietunion; tinfoil

1 posted on 07/09/2009 7:04:46 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie
Exactly! This way, they can fight all the way thru Europe. Shorter supply lines. LOL!
2 posted on 07/09/2009 7:06:24 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Fennie

The next video will explain why Germany “lost” WWI, to set themselves up in a better position to fight WWII.


3 posted on 07/09/2009 7:07:47 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Fennie

So Russia decided to take the fall instead of China, those Chinamen are crafty little devils!


4 posted on 07/09/2009 7:09:13 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Exactly!

(/hurl)


5 posted on 07/09/2009 7:09:39 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Fennie

Well, Perestroika and Glasnost has been mentioned for a very long time in terms of deception of the West and the continuance of the global domination aspirations of the same...

BUT..., everyone seems to have forgotten it now.

AND..., in addition, there has risen a new “global power” that is well on its way to world-wide domination, at the present time and is about to take over and subjugate the U.S., in a mere one generation from now — guaranteed (at the rate things are going now...).

From another post that I did earlier...

That evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam and the way of implementing it by Sharia law is already making inroads right here in this country — the good ole USA. We’re about to see a “takeover” of the U.S. by the evil and oppressive idealogy of the government of Islam (that is aiming for world-wide conquest and has stated that the U.S. is *on its list* to take over...)

And for those people who need some additional facts about what the evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam is doing, look at some of the following.

There’s no question about it... the enemy is *Islam* itself and the evil and oppressive and false idealogy that it perpetrates. Some say the problem is “fascism” (instead of the basic oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam, itself). But, that is to engage in “political correctness” and nothing more... and sidetracks people from the *true enemy* in this war.

In one generation we’ll see, right here in the United States that “Islam” is the enemy and not “fascism”...

Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

and also, this...

Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781

and then, looking at this...

“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts

This is the allowance of “false gods” to take over this nation because of the ignorance of the people of the land in regards to the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

And so, we see that we’re going to have the “false god of Islam” ruling over the USA and running the USA in just one generation from now.


6 posted on 07/09/2009 7:10:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Fennie
the 'fall' of the Soviet Union was staged for the West to lower it's guard

Groan. More tinfoil.

That's like staging a 'high speed car wreck', complete with actually broken legs and actual massive blood loss, to get a few weeks of vacation time.

Stupid. Just stupid. The Soviet Union DID collapse. It DID suffer the secession of several states. It DID have a massive shakeup of political leadership. Nothing about it was "staged"; that powerful people with nefarious political philosophies were still there and took advantage of the aftermath doesn't mean it was "staged".

7 posted on 07/09/2009 7:12:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Fennie

Hogwash.


8 posted on 07/09/2009 7:14:10 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: Fennie

And I thought the revisionist I was dealing with yesterday was bad. This doesn’t even make any sense.


9 posted on 07/09/2009 7:18:24 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Apparently singing Olivia Newton John's "Heartattack" is inappropriate in cardiac rehab. Who knew?)
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To: Fennie

More on Perestroika and Glasnost...

Perestroika
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perestroika

Glasnost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost

Glasnost-Perestroika Part I: A model Potemkin village
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0799glassp1.htm

Perestroika: Gorby’s Grand Deception
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Perestroika/index.html


10 posted on 07/09/2009 7:24:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Fennie

With the alleged fall of communism (actually, they just swapped their uniforms for blue suits, tucked their pistols into their waistbands and changed their names — and darned if one didn’t move into the White House!), the Globull Elite needed a new BOOGEYMAN with which to frighten and control the dumb masses (say it fast for maximum effect): THE ECOLOGY and MAN CAUSED GLOBULL WARMING GOT THE NOD!

Oh yeah, I forgot the cool part about picking the pockets of the wealthier nations to enrich some of them and their leading drum major, Algore while bleeding the nasty old United States white. (PAGING ALGORE – PAGING ALGORE…log into your dozen bank accounts ASAP. They are WAAAYYYY over the FDIC insurance limit! Username reminder: FREAKING_PHONEY/Password reminder: Village_idiot)

The elitists’ ultimate goal of all this man-caused GLOBULL WARMING HYSTERIA is to level the nasty old U.S. with the Turd World despotisms with which we are to be merged into their New World Odor (misspelling intentional) where TADA (trumpet fanfare here!), the GLOBULL ELITES will BE IN CHARGE.

Questions??


11 posted on 07/09/2009 7:27:19 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (HE)
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To: Fennie

Yeah right. Russia’s population is in sharp decline— minus 0.467% (2009 est.), which is 227th in the world. Longevity rates are declining to below those in Bangladesh, i.e., 66.03 years or 162nd in the world. Its total fertility rate is 1.41 children born/woman (2009 est.)


12 posted on 07/09/2009 7:27:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fennie

Actually, the Soviet Union never existed. It was all a fantasy, developed by the Rothchilds and other Bilderbergers in order to distract our attention from Zionist plans to take over the world.

But once the these conspiracists had implemented the final step of their master plan by having the well-known Zionist Alan Greenspan appointed as head of the Federal Reserve, they no longer needed to pretend that the USSR existed, so they told us it had collapsed.


13 posted on 07/09/2009 7:30:25 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Fennie

Who wastes time even looking at these dumb videos. Not a lot of Freepers I hope.


14 posted on 07/09/2009 7:38:55 AM PDT by MimirsWell (Scipio Pakistanus)
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To: Fennie

The communists were and still are control freaks. They never willingly gave up control of the USSR, even to stage a deception. They knew it was too risky to allow the people to have a taste of freedom.


15 posted on 07/09/2009 7:44:02 AM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: Fennie

It’s amazing how many dumb asses are going to buy into this...


16 posted on 07/09/2009 7:47:13 AM PDT by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: Fennie

17 posted on 07/09/2009 7:48:00 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: ctdonath2
That's like staging a 'high speed car wreck', complete with actually broken legs and actual massive blood loss, to get a few weeks of vacation time.

I was thinking that it's like firing on your own troops in order to confuse the enemy, but I like your metaphor better.

18 posted on 07/09/2009 7:51:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Fennie
Go
19 posted on 07/09/2009 8:09:10 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Fennie

I said at the time that it looked exactly like a Communist trick and I turned out to be right again.


20 posted on 07/09/2009 8:12:21 AM PDT by TBP
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The next video will explain why Germany “lost” WWI, to set themselves up in a better position to fight WWII.

Don't forget, the Brits lost the Revolutionary War. What are they really up to?

21 posted on 07/09/2009 8:22:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Fennie

And our stock market / real estate market falls were a ruse to get the rest of the world thinking that the US is a doomed, former superpower, so we can wait for nightfall and jump out and surprise them and take them over.

All your markets are belong to us.


22 posted on 07/09/2009 8:28:17 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Fennie
cf: Golitsyn, "New Lies for Old"

www.amazon.com/New-Lies-Old...Golitsyn/dp/0945001134

Golytsin spelled this deception out for James Angleton for the CIA, setting off a string of intelligence-community controversies that eventually drove Angelton (a) mad, and (b) from office.

Suffice it to say that about 100%+- of what Anatoliy Golitsyn had to say has proven eerily accurate in the post-Soviet world.

Read the book.

23 posted on 07/09/2009 8:40:38 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What's with the Birth Certificate Fuss? Hitler was a foreigner. So was Stalin.)
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To: TBP
I said at the time that it looked exactly like a Communist trick and I turned out to be right again.

Because everyone knows it's easier to invade West Germany from hundreds of miles away through unfriendly territory than from East Germany.

24 posted on 07/09/2009 9:24:43 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Hogwash on yer hogwash! And vegetarian, Kosher hogwash on my hogwash.


25 posted on 07/09/2009 9:42:10 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Harrumph, harrumph!




26 posted on 07/09/2009 10:26:53 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Putin the “reformer” admits he personally never left the Communist Party. A keen-eyed observer of the CNN TV report on the December, 1999 Russian parliamentary elections spotted Putin presenting his I.D. to the clerk so he could vote.

The I.D. clearly showed the letters CCCP on the inside of the booklet — his official Soviet Union Communist Party ID. The authoritative British journal, “Soviet Analyst” commented that CNN ignored this “curiosity.”


27 posted on 07/09/2009 12:24:47 PM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie
Barack Obama is not disarming out nation because he doesn't perceive any threat from the USSR/Soviet Reunion. He is of the mind of Jimmy Carter in thinking that we had NO RIGHT to win the Cold War.

He's been about disarmament since the 1980s (look at his Columbia piece that has been floating around since the first of this year).

It's about knocking this country down and bowing to our betters.

28 posted on 07/09/2009 12:57:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Fennie
Poppycock.

Gorbachev tried to save Communism by reforming it, and fell flat on his face.

Yeltsin may have been a national hero, but he was also a drunken fool. "Staging the fall" was beyond him and his supporters.

29 posted on 07/09/2009 1:05:07 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Fennie

"staged for the West to lower its guard."

The part about the West lowering its guard is pretty clear.
The guard has been lowered.

30 posted on 07/09/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Don’t laugh...there are people who think along those lines...:(


31 posted on 07/09/2009 2:08:18 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: dmz

I wanted to post a “hehehe”, but somehow...nearly any humor that has anything to do with markets is like an exploding cigar.


32 posted on 07/09/2009 2:10:28 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Fennie

33 posted on 07/09/2009 2:12:16 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: rlmorel

Especially the clown who posted the thread.


34 posted on 07/09/2009 2:20:44 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
cf: Golitsyn, "New Lies for Old" www.amazon.com/New-Lies-Old...Golitsyn/dp/0945001134

Read the book.

35 posted on 07/09/2009 2:52:50 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What's with the Obama Birth Certificate Fuss? Hitler was a foreigner. So was Stalin.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Any one who thinks communism is dead is just NOT paying
attention.


36 posted on 07/09/2009 3:33:03 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Fennie

Irregardless if Russia and the USSR faked its collapse or it was genuine, it STILL remains a threat, and it is STILL communist at heart. All you need to do is look at Vladimir Putin, his background, and the actions of the Russian government and most of the governments of the “Former” Soviet Union (Except the Ukraine [and even here it is dicey] and the Caucuses states)


37 posted on 07/09/2009 8:02:05 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added to or removed from this list, please FReepmail me...

38 posted on 07/09/2009 8:06:27 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Fennie

Putin NEVER left the CPSU. In fact, he briefed the Communist Party Russian Federation late last fall, blaming the US for the world economic collapse and said that “Things will be better soon for us, comrades”...


39 posted on 07/09/2009 8:11:35 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Fennie; Thunder90; tet68
"The interview explains how the 'fall' of the Soviet Union was staged for the West to lower it's guard, so Russia and China can achieve global dominance."

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth (Russia-China global domination and Putin's longing for a return to the 'glory days' of the Soviet Union)...

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html


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Russia and China have been holding joint war games every other year since 2005. The next one is scheduled for this summer...

[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises

By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009

WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.

The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005

In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.

The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.

Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.

Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

40 posted on 07/09/2009 8:17:59 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Thunder90

Thunder, we have so many friggin stupid people on our side, it’s ridiculous. While the Russians are masters at the complex game of chess, most on our side suck horribly at checkers. They fall so easily for the simplest of tricks and deceptions.


41 posted on 07/09/2009 8:24:53 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL; Thunder90; ex-Texan
Charles Krauthammer understands the Russian threat.

Ceding our defensive weapons to Russians is no victory at all http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/07/10/krauthammered0710.html

'Nightly News' Praises Putin's Business Bullying http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124699375227307205.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Putin-Medvedev Régime ‘Proto-Fascist,’ Ukrainian Analyst Says http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12907&Itemid=65

Russia seething with Anti-Americanism http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/editorial-russia-today-seething-with-anti-americanism/

42 posted on 07/10/2009 2:01:20 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: M. Espinola

I honestly believe that there is something to this....sometimes truth is weirder than fiction folks....

FReepers have a propensity to poopoo the reality of the dark side......


43 posted on 07/10/2009 3:17:57 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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additional:
Golitsyn site:freerepublic.com
Google

44 posted on 07/10/2009 5:44:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Read the Red House Report.


45 posted on 07/10/2009 5:46:12 AM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Halgr; Thunder90; ex-Texan
With KGB Putin and his Kremlin comrades, coupled with what we are stuck with in the White House -- anything is possible.


46 posted on 07/11/2009 1:20:35 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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