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Cheney’s Super Secret Plan: Kill or Capture the Enemy?
Commentary Magazine ^ | 07/13/09 | Jonathan Tobin

Posted on 07/13/2009 7:17:59 AM PDT by Jbny

On Sunday, the New York Times struck another blow against the Bush administration’s counter-terrorism measures with a front-page story alleging that a CIA program was kept secret from Congress for eight years. The orders to keep Congress out of the loop — which sound flagrantly illegal — came, according to the story, straight from then Vice President Dick Cheney.

(Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushlegacy; cheney; counterterrorism; gwot; tobin

1 posted on 07/13/2009 7:17:59 AM PDT by Jbny
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To: Jbny
“Heavens to Murgatroid, kill the enemy...exit stage LEFT!”
2 posted on 07/13/2009 7:20:00 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Jbny

Yep, pretty dastardly of the VP wanting to kill our enemies that are at war with us. I am sure we all feel safer knowing that current Commisar Paneta has ended this program. / sarcasm on heavy!


3 posted on 07/13/2009 7:21:19 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

The CIA reports to the Executive. End of story.


4 posted on 07/13/2009 7:22:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Don Corleone

New plan.... “Pet or Gently Rub he Enemy”


5 posted on 07/13/2009 7:23:34 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Jbny

“Kill or capture the enemy”?

Sounds good to me. What a novel concept. To the wussy Dims of course.

“There is no subsitute for victory”.

Kill em all, Allah can sort em out.


6 posted on 07/13/2009 7:23:57 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Jbny

Good heavens, you can’t make this sh$t up.


7 posted on 07/13/2009 7:24:07 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: Jbny
"You couldn't carry our jock straps, you Punk."


8 posted on 07/13/2009 7:24:28 AM PDT by jessduntno ("We have elected the King of the POst TUrtleS.")
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

We need to dig up Roosevelt and Truman, and prosecute them.

They had a plan to kill Hitler. Outrageous!


9 posted on 07/13/2009 7:24:41 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: woofie

LOL!


10 posted on 07/13/2009 7:24:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jbny

“Coming on the heals of another story”

“HEALS?”


11 posted on 07/13/2009 7:25:07 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Not to worry, Paneta's family are quite capable of taking care of business the government deigns to involve itself in.

At the moment you have Pelosi challenging Paneta's feudal rights and precedence in a dispute no one outside the crowd of Siciliano Protectores understand.

The fact the Chicago families own the rest of the government probably ought to be of some concern to everyone.

WFB used to note that "so and so" (forgot his name) said that someday we'd wake up and the Mob would have taken over the government ~

12 posted on 07/13/2009 7:25:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

“Yep, pretty dastardly of the VP wanting to kill our enemies that are at war with us.”

Under Obama, only our capitalist allies will be killed.


13 posted on 07/13/2009 7:26:25 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jbny
Kill or Capture the Enemy?

My, my. How un-PC. It sounds like the George Patton rant about you don't win wars by dying for your country. You win wars by making the other s.o.b. die for his.

Which major city are we going to have to lose to Islamofacist terrorism before the sheeple wake up?

14 posted on 07/13/2009 7:26:31 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: jessduntno

bttt


15 posted on 07/13/2009 7:26:59 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Let the heeling begin ;-)


16 posted on 07/13/2009 7:27:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: woofie

The comfy pillow!


17 posted on 07/13/2009 7:27:16 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Jbny

The only thing that’s got me mildly puzzled is why the order to keep it from Congress came from Cheny. Shouldn’t it have come from the President himself?


18 posted on 07/13/2009 7:27:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“The CIA reports to the Executive. End of story.”

Exactly.
For 8 years we had adults in charge, that were concerned with our nation’s best interests.

Now we have college freshman in charge, who formed their thought patterns while sitting on hemp blankets at an outdoor reggae concert.


19 posted on 07/13/2009 7:27:47 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Time wounds all heels.

Time heals all wounds.


20 posted on 07/13/2009 7:28:01 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Jbny
Cowards fight their wars in courts or public opinion, Warriors take no prisoners.
21 posted on 07/13/2009 7:28:09 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Touch your computer-ah....Heal!


22 posted on 07/13/2009 7:28:11 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: jessduntno
Cheney looks evil in the eye.

Obama Bin Laden, the Nuclear armed communist leader and friend of the Iranians.

23 posted on 07/13/2009 7:28:13 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Non-Sequitur

Cheney could only order it kept from the Senate. He would have that authority as ‘President of the Senate’.


24 posted on 07/13/2009 7:29:25 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Jbny
The “secret Central Intelligence Agency initiative terminated by Director Leon Panetta was an attempt to carry out a 2001 presidential authorization to capture or kill al Qaeda operatives, according to former intelligence officials familiar with the matter.”

That's outrageous. This must be stopped! [/sarcasm]

25 posted on 07/13/2009 7:30:09 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well, not exactly...Agencies “brief” congressional intelligence committees in order to get/secure funding. So they could just report to the exec, but they may risk funding cutoffs if they do not maintain a relationship with the HSCI or the SSCI.


26 posted on 07/13/2009 7:30:30 AM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Yep, pretty dastardly of the VP wanting to kill our enemies that are at war with us.”

Under Obama, only our capitalist allies will be killed.

= = = = = =

...and our economic system, our morality, our freedom of speech, our liberty and justice.


27 posted on 07/13/2009 7:31:02 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Amen")
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To: Barney59; All

Step 1) stack the Supreme Court

Step 2) Create the “Civilian Security Force” (ACORN) that he promised before the election:Neighborhood Community organizers(Marxist thugs)


28 posted on 07/13/2009 7:34:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jbny

Kill and capture are not in the Democrat lexicon.

Cuddle and fondle are.


29 posted on 07/13/2009 7:35:48 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: Jbny

When you are in a war, leaders have to do things to win it, including killing or capturing the enemy. DOH!

How does this secret commando unit stand up against Churchill’s decision not to evacuate a British city before a planned air raid because it would reveal to the Germans that the British had broken their secret code?

I don’t recall the British ever going after Churchill with an investigation of it.


30 posted on 07/13/2009 7:36:11 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Jbny

Cheney’s plan seems if we don’t have enough enemies, create some more then kill them.

Bush, the Elder, managed to get most of the ME to help us in Gulf War I. Bush, the Younger, managed to turn that around by not getting bin Laden dead or alive for 9/11 but instead opted to take out Saddam because Iraq was doable. Of course in the process of taking out Iraq he eliminated the barrier we now need for Iran. A sort of lose-lose plan.


31 posted on 07/13/2009 7:36:40 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Step 0) redefine terrorist to include your political enemies


32 posted on 07/13/2009 7:39:31 AM PDT by Cooter
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To: Jbny
Leon Paneta should go back to trying to hide Monica Lewinsky from the public. That was his prior covert assignment, and we all see how well he did it.

Surely that qualifies him to be head of the CIA.

"He polished that handle so carelessly, that he became the leader of the Queen's Navy."

Aren't these the same Democrats loudly asking why haven't we caught Bin Laden? How are we supposed to catch him or kill him without something like what they are talking about here?

33 posted on 07/13/2009 7:41:46 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Jbny

Just another left/Dem/Socialist smoke screen for something much, much, larger that they don’t want found out...yet.


34 posted on 07/13/2009 7:44:19 AM PDT by pizamoto
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To: Jbny

Cheney had his own Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, ala “Kill Bill”.

At least that’s the Dem wet dream.

The problem the dems have is that most of the country doesn’t have a problem with that.


35 posted on 07/13/2009 7:49:28 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: ex-snook

Nonsense. We went after Saddam as he was torturing and gassing his own people; he was going to cause supply disruptions to world oil markets to cripple the West; and he was funneling money to terrorists. Stop with the DNC talking points - the adults made the right decisions here - snipers like you aren’t informed enoough to make adult decisions. Get back to day camp or I’ll tell your parents!


36 posted on 07/13/2009 8:04:47 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

How is this some super secret plan? Did Congress not know there was a war going on?


37 posted on 07/13/2009 8:11:55 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Jbny

if the Dems actually want to get on the opposite side of Cheney on THIS, I say let ‘em


38 posted on 07/13/2009 8:24:35 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jbny

Wow, attempting to take effective action against the enemy. That certainly sounds illegal. I’m sure the media thinks it ought to be, anyway.


39 posted on 07/13/2009 8:58:03 AM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The only thing that’s got me mildly puzzled is why the order to keep it from Congress came from Cheny. Shouldn’t it have come from the President himself?

Unlike most Presidents, Bush actually selected a competent person to be his VP, and delegated a great many responsibilities to him.

40 posted on 07/13/2009 9:00:11 AM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: pizamoto

Smokescreen, for sure - we need to put this in perspective. Listen to the reports - program was started in the wake of 9/11 and “not yet, fully operational”. Other references indicate that “efforts mostly died out, within 6 months”.

This is simply the Democrats continuing to position the Bush Administration in the cross-hairs for prosecution. There is nothing here, except a desire to demonize the previous administration and deflect public focus away from their own misdeeds.


41 posted on 07/13/2009 10:11:22 AM PDT by Tandem (Support our troops - Nephew in the Army)
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To: Jbny

Kill the enemy; those who are trying to kill you. Isn’t that what is done, in war?


42 posted on 07/13/2009 11:14:04 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Cooter

BINGO


43 posted on 07/13/2009 1:27:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jbny

ABC News: The secret CIA program that was withheld from Congress was designed to find and capture or kill senior Al Qaeda leadership at close range rather than through air strikes, government officials said.


44 posted on 07/13/2009 2:18:06 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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