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Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez
Drudge Report, WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/15/09 | Chelsea Schilling and Joe Kovacs

Posted on 07/15/2009 5:37:44 AM PDT by buggy02

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office. His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders. "We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!" She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons – just revoked."

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To: Dixie Yooper

Does anybody read the articles posted before commenting anymore?


151 posted on 07/15/2009 7:56:32 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The Rule of Law vs The Will of The People was the core issue between Bush and Gore. ... Why should this situation be any different?

William Jefferson Clinton was guilty of perjury and of suborning such. Rule Of Law did not win then.

Why should this be any different?

1996: 47,402,357 vs. 39,198,755 - Clinton beats Ken Starr by 8 million

2000: 50,456,002 vs. 50,999,897 - Rule of Law gets a token win

2008: 69,456,897 vs. 59,934,814 - Cult of Personality beats Rule of Law by 10 million

Probably about 6-7 million, I'd guess. That's where will of the people trumps rule of law, unfortunately.

Either way, by your own admission this is clearly now a judicial oligarchy, not a constitutional republic.

You're depending on one tiny branch to respect the Constitution when every other segment of the Republic has ignored it in this case: Electorate, Congress, outgoing POTUS, governors, state legislatures, generals, colonels, ambassadors, past presidents, etc, etc.

152 posted on 07/15/2009 7:58:32 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I was refering to my situation. As Army Reserve, I am not in the State chain of command - strictly federal.


153 posted on 07/15/2009 8:01:41 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
His next deployment will probably be Ft. Leavenworth.

That was my first reaction to the headline , Then I was puzzled as to why Taitz is thrilled.

Obama isn't showing the BC ever. Maybe a fake one if anything. The real one is probably deep within Iron Mountain by now

154 posted on 07/15/2009 8:02:04 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Roos_Girl

Consider that the Obama administration is about to go after “rogue interrogators” who, during the previous administration, followed apparently legal orders to interrogate terrorist suspects.

Now Obama says the orders were illegal, and he’s going after them.

So maybe Cook is concerned that any actions he takes in Afghanistan will, in the view of the next administration, be deemed illegal owing to Obama’s illegal usurpation of the office.


155 posted on 07/15/2009 8:02:13 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: ForeignDude; Dixie Yooper; DieHard the Hunter
But none of you actually think that Obama will be forced to step down, do you? IF Obama is not a “natural born citizen” at this moment, there is nobody in government with the guts to say it out loud. More to the point, the key issue is a definitional one: “What constitutes a ‘natural born citizen’?”. No matter what happens at the lower rungs of the judicial system, I can guarantee you that the Supreme Court will define “natural born citizen” in such a way that Obama will qualify for the Presidency. I wouldn’t be too surprised if such a decision was a unanimous one, by the way: “In the best interests of the country”.

Well said. Bears repeating.

To which I'd add:

This is clearly now a judicial oligarchy, not a constitutional republic.

[We] are depending on one tiny branch to respect the Constitution when every other segment of the Republic has ignored it in this case: Electorate, Congress, outgoing POTUS, governors, state legislatures, generals, colonels, ambassadors, past presidents, etc, etc.

Zero is de facto POTUS and the bar to foreign presidents has been dropped.

In fact, I'd not be surprised if at the end of his term, he doesn't force the issue himself as a final insult to say, "aha! you allowed it, so it is now ok."

156 posted on 07/15/2009 8:03:05 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: blasater1960

At the moment, we still have free speech. But with statements like yours & for the sake of supporting our military, a patriot & a fellow FReeper, I’d like to think you’d understand it when I ask you to consider keeping comments like this one to yourself. Good grief.


157 posted on 07/15/2009 8:04:20 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Royal Wulff

I would be concerned about exactly that.


158 posted on 07/15/2009 8:05:51 AM PDT by Roos_Girl ("Obama is Kenyan for idiot" - CC)
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To: vanilla swirl

My dh was. And he was one of them.

That said, what’s your point? That I was lying to fellow FReepers? What the heck is going on at FR?


159 posted on 07/15/2009 8:06:44 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: sam_paine

The Republic may have allowed it but the people can still challenge it. Roberts shaking his hand does not mean a thing. Until a case is heard before the courts it is not proven. All the courts have done so far is to stall and declare everyone without standing.

The congress and the states that did not verify are the ones who have dropped the ball.


160 posted on 07/15/2009 8:06:45 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: roaddog727

I wish you the best.


161 posted on 07/15/2009 8:07:07 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: ForeignDude
Except you are assuming that all of this legal challenge is happening in a vaccuum. These legal things are going to be advancing during a time when Obama' political capital may well be melting away, too. There could be other cases arise outside of the military where the government is trying to enforce some executive order. Or even the collection of taxes might be callenged. It could become burdensome on the government to have to deal with this issue in case after case where it (the government) is initiating the case and the defendant demands proof that the President lawfully holds his office. If Obama's political popularity evaporates, this will become a major issue. At some point he may well be forced to show his birth certificate. I am not predicting anything and tend toward being as cynical as you sound. Just because all of those people voted for him does not mean they will always love him. Both Bushes had 90% approval at one point in their presidency and both went into the tank. If he gets unpopular, people will want to believe he is a liar and deceiver and illegitimate.
162 posted on 07/15/2009 8:07:25 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Does anybody read the articles posted before commenting anymore?

I was hoping to get away with that today...

163 posted on 07/15/2009 8:07:43 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Actually I respect Mr. Watada’s stance; even if I don’t really agree with him philosophically... the whole “war-crimes” thing should have been seriously considered (on the merit of the legitimacy of ops in Iraq, rather than on the President), and the resolution to activities in Iraq could be explained as a resumption of War after the cease-fire had been breached by Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi military operations which included active-targeting of US aircraft. (IIRC we had a cease-fire and didn’t end the declaration of war from Pr Bush Sr.)


164 posted on 07/15/2009 8:08:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

LOL!


165 posted on 07/15/2009 8:08:07 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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166 posted on 07/15/2009 8:13:41 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: roaddog727

Just realized you are on the thread.

THANK YOU, SIR!!!

I hope Judge Carter will remember what Judge Sirica did.


167 posted on 07/15/2009 8:13:47 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: sam_paine
"How do we reconcile this action with the objectors who refused their duty claiming that Bush was selected-not-elected, or that Iraq was an illegal war? Peter Brown, Ehren Watada, etc"

we can reconcile it because those points you mentioned are proven false. Obama's eligibility has reasonable doubt.

168 posted on 07/15/2009 8:14:13 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Flint

I would also speculate that if the Messiah is found to not be native born then any law or any action he has undertaken is illegal. That would reset the clock back to the day President Bush left office.


169 posted on 07/15/2009 8:17:47 AM PDT by Flint
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To: Ratman83
The congress and the states that did not verify are the ones who have dropped the ball.

Agreed.

170 posted on 07/15/2009 8:19:33 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

> Either way, by your own admission this is clearly now a judicial oligarchy, not a constitutional republic.

If so, how sad that America should end up like that.

> You’re depending on one tiny branch to respect the Constitution when every other segment of the Republic has ignored it in this case: Electorate, Congress, outgoing POTUS, governors, state legislatures, generals, colonels, ambassadors, past presidents, etc, etc.

In fact, I’m doing nothing of the sort, as I live in a Constitutional Monarchy.

It grieves me to see my American friends in this position, and I wonder how long it will be before they take away your guns. Because they shall surely take away your guns, without raising a whimper. We know this because they have already demonstrated that your Constitution isn’t worth the parchment it was written on.

And nobody — nobody — is saying “boo” to stop them.

Perhaps 1776 wasn’t such a good idea, ay.


171 posted on 07/15/2009 8:20:08 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: BellStar

>OMG... I thought this was Tin Foil Hat stuff. OMG... I’t is real!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL - Looks like it, doesn’t it?


172 posted on 07/15/2009 8:21:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: All

I firmly believe, that the second Obama can prove his citizenry and have it authenticated, this Major would thank the usurper, (and in that case, our proven President.) He’d grab his bags, and off he’d deploy.

It might be one thing if this were a lance corporal. But he’s not. He’s an Officer and I expect he’s fully educated and aware of what he’s up against.


173 posted on 07/15/2009 8:21:53 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Tin Man Tex
Is this what they call a “smoking-gun”?

In legal terms, this may be deemed a "loss of standing" for his lawsuit.

174 posted on 07/15/2009 8:23:01 AM PDT by Bob
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To: sam_paine

> In fact, I’d not be surprised if at the end of his term, he doesn’t force the issue himself as a final insult to say, “aha! you allowed it, so it is now ok.”

What’s all this “end of term” stuff you’re talking about? African Presidents are elected “For Life”. Just ask Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe.

Or Barack Obama.


175 posted on 07/15/2009 8:23:07 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: buggy02; Grampa Dave; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; ..
Thanks, Grampa Dave.

Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez Obama's birthplace

If I happened to be captured by the enemy in a foreign land, I would not be privy to the Geneva Convention protections," he said.

176 posted on 07/15/2009 8:23:10 AM PDT by LucyT (If it's not on FR, it didn't happen. --JimRob)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I’ll second that... as a lower enlisted.


177 posted on 07/15/2009 8:23:24 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Safrguns
Please correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that according to the constitution , the (Democrat) Party is solely responsible for vetting the candidate. And there is no mandate that the party must demand proof of eligibility. However,that would make the Democrat Party the responsible party, not Obama

Can the plaintiff sue the Democrat Party to show proof ?

178 posted on 07/15/2009 8:23:47 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: VicVega

Re your #13: “Okay 0 what you going to do next to undermine our country and our military?”

Oh, an old fashioned Stalinesque PURGE comes to mind.

It won’t be pretty, either. The Chicago / Soros machine isn’t going to tolerate this one little bit.


179 posted on 07/15/2009 8:24:04 AM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: r9etb
His supporters are indeed short-sighted. They apparently can't be bothered to look past their opposition to Obama, and see the larger implications of soldiers filing suit over their deployment orders, and deciding whose orders they will and will not follow.

I am willing to be enlightened but this is about a specific point, whether the Constitution is followed, not about who and what orders to follow. There was a reason our founders wanted the president to be a natural born citizen.
180 posted on 07/15/2009 8:24:35 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: wintertime

Can anyone explain to be the difference between a rescinded order and revoked order. News stories are using both.


181 posted on 07/15/2009 8:26:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

1776 was a very good idea, we just have to make it come back alive.


182 posted on 07/15/2009 8:26:44 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Moose4; roaddog727
they’re probably revoking his orders because his next ones will be to report to his court martial.

Major Cook is living up to his Oath. He has other liabilities now as does EVERY other veteran (active, retired, etc), until Obama comes clear to his birth records:

At the Tokyo War Crimes trial, it was declared “[A]nyone with knowledge of illegal activity and an opportunity to do something about it is a potential criminal under international law unless the person takes affirmative measures to prevent commission of the crimes.”

Under the Nuremberg Principles, you have an obligation NOT to follow the orders of leaders which are illegitimate. Military members all bound by what U.S. Chief Prosecutor Robert K. Jackson declared in 1948: [T]he very essence of the [Nuremberg] Charter is that individuals have intentional duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience imposed by the individual state. In 1953, the Department of Defense adopted the principles of the Nuremberg Code as official policy of the United States.

Also, check out:

-- Article 92 of the UCMJ
-- Army Commissioned Officer Oath of Office

Major Cook must follow “lawful orders”. However, those coming from a possible ILLEGITIMATE Commander-in-Chief must be questioned until proven to be legitimate. Major Cook doesn't have the luxury to question them if he finds himself under fire.

At THIS juncture, Obama’s legitimacy is growing more questionable by the day. He needs to put up or step down.

183 posted on 07/15/2009 8:27:15 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Since you pointed out my lack of ambition when it comes to reading articles, I did take the time to read this one. No mention of the soldier/officer who has to take his place, or those who will be without his leadership...


184 posted on 07/15/2009 8:27:27 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Ratman83

> 1776 was a very good idea, we just have to make it come back alive.

Amen. And then plug the loophole that allowed this cluster$@*! to happen in the first place.


185 posted on 07/15/2009 8:28:43 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: buggy02

You are naive if you think this is a victory. The Major is about to have his ass handed to him by the U.S. Military. If you think they are going to stand for the birth certificate stuff as a means to avoid deployment, you are kidding yourself.


186 posted on 07/15/2009 8:28:51 AM PDT by rubeng
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To: usmcobra
He's a Florida National Guardsman, NOT ACTIVE DUTY at the best his career is one weekend a month and two weeks training per year under normal circumstances. The least he will lose is pocket change once a month.

I still think that he will fall under the UCMJ. Of course I defer to the JAG or those with legal expertise in this matter.

Hey, the other thing is that I'm no Obamalamadingdong supporter, I think he's hiding something in or on his birth certificate that is embarrassing. Of course the fact that he hasn't been made to show ANY of his school transcripts or any written of his records is more of a mystery. Heck we even found out that Al Gore was a dolt who had a lower GPA than Bush. I'm sure we'll know Palin's kindergarten's offenses and every little bit of info on her kids and her husband as well.

that's what libs do. It's now OUR jobs as FReepers to expose every tid bit of information that we can get, every little piece of dirt on the libs. They've declared war..... sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

I think it's going to be fun now that the gloves are off.

We should have a ping list of every democrat's family member and democrats foibles. Of course this will only crash the server because of the sheer volume, but it'll be fun.

187 posted on 07/15/2009 8:29:26 AM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: Safrguns

>Can someone tell me if abortion clinics can issue valid birth certificates when their procedure fails?
>
>Not saying anything about the health centers in question here, but the question on why two hospitals just got me thinking “what happens” if you are born in one place and taken to another?
>
>What happens if you are delivered in a car? or in the ambulance? or in an elevator? Do you still get a valid birth certificate???

My mom’s done a couple of home births, and those siblings DO have valid birth certificates.


188 posted on 07/15/2009 8:30:15 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Hugin
You would rather serve under an officer who zombiesquely obeys unlawful orders and passes same order to you to execute. Capt Medina, Lt Calley, etc., learned their lesson the hard way. YOU are personally responsible for any criminal act you commit under such an order and YOU will serve the time.
189 posted on 07/15/2009 8:30:52 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell ( Even the left knows Sarah Palin is right for 2012.)
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To: roaddog727

keep up the good fight.


190 posted on 07/15/2009 8:32:50 AM PDT by coon2000
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

“My dh was. And he was one of them.

That said, what’s your point? That I was lying to fellow FReepers? What the heck is going on at FR?”

Hey, my deepest apologies! I never meant to call you a liar!
If what you say is true (and now I don’t doubt it) then are these guys going to really stand up and defend the Constitution or defend O?
I’m sorry I have had such a defeated spirit since last November I find any good news hard to believe.
Our only hope is that our military will act like Honduras and do what is necessary. Do you get any sense of this?


191 posted on 07/15/2009 8:34:59 AM PDT by vanilla swirl
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To: OneWingedShark

Thank you.

I guarantee this story is making its way through every rank in every branch of the military today. And I will bet you that what this Major has done, has given hope to the majority in our armed forces. They know a non-supporter & an anti-American philosopher when they see one. They are expected to follow orders from their superiors, yet very few see him as a Superior who would lead his troops by throwing himself on a mortar to protect his men. Bush would have.

This illegitimacy question has been heating up, and it will soon reach it’s boiling point. And I think this Major has helped rise the temperature by showing others this can be done.


192 posted on 07/15/2009 8:35:04 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
If so, how sad that America should end up like that. ... Perhaps 1776 wasn’t such a good idea, ay.

Well, now. It took a bit of fumbling around in the Dark Ages, and a lot of royal family blood feuds to get to a Constitutionally neutered Monarchy over there, now, didn't it?

As Churchill observed, "America can always be counted on to do the right thing...after exhausting all other options."

We've got another 'time for choosing' coming up in 2010.


193 posted on 07/15/2009 8:39:54 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Roccus

Good point - I forgot about that!


194 posted on 07/15/2009 8:41:30 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedom we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I think it’s admirable. And so do a lot of senior Officers who were talking about it in a bar last night, and toasting to his name.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have prayed daily for some years now that honest, capable, and brave leaders will arise to defend the Constitution. Maybe, the is the beginning of an answer to many citizens’ prayers?


195 posted on 07/15/2009 8:44:13 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

>No. The difference in the reaction of FReepers, though, is the surprising part.
>
>Crazy... in a shallow and short-sighted kind of way.

Actually, I think they both have/had valid points. The operations in Iraq (War on Terror) weren’t ever explained as being the resumption of hostilities after a cease-fire; so technically we were still at war w/ Iraq (and may still be) and that is HOW that first case should have been decided, IMO.

What we have here though is slightly different though; the Officer is questioning the orders on the President’s Constitutional eligibility alone; as his oath is to the Constitution this seems both reasonable and right/just to me. If Pr Obama is found to be eligible then I’m sure he would follow those orders but if he is NOT then the Major has the duty to remove him from office... just like all other military servicemen.

Let me put it to you this way: If I were up for a promotion to SGT from my current SPC, fully qualified and eligible, and the S1 lost some key paperwork (like a current PT test, let’s say) then it is my duty to provide the documentation (that is, a copy of the PT test).

Here we have someone getting the promotion to Commander In Chief who is missing documentation (Birth cert, adoption papers, passports, etc) and refuses to acknowledge his own duties to provide them.

That is the big difference here, I think. That the “rules” are excused for the politically powerful but enforced on the grunts like the lower enlisted.


196 posted on 07/15/2009 8:45:40 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: randita
The military blinked on this one. It won't help morale one little bit if they continue to blink if more service people take this course.

We don't know that yet. I expect that the other shoe has yet to drop, and the Major may yet be court-martialed. I don't think that the Major's lawyer is going to get very far asking the Court to force the president to produce his long-form BC, either.

197 posted on 07/15/2009 8:47:15 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: KTM rider

The Constitution does NOT mention parties, nor vetting; therefore, every citizen can challenge a Presidential nominee on eligibility grounds. It would be tiring if you had to do it in private with everyone instead of just making it publicly available.


198 posted on 07/15/2009 8:49:52 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: kenmcg

They cannot court-martial him if the order has been rescinded. They would charge him under Article 92, Failure to Obey a Lawful Order and they could throw in Article 88, Contempt Toward Officials. The order has to be in effect for the elements of Article 92 to be provable in court.

By revoking the order they pulled their tail in and ran the other way.

My experience in these kinds of matters is extensive. I am sure I’m correct.

“They” don’t want a court-martial becasue they would have to disclose the President’s long form birth certificate in discovery to prove the President is the lawful CIC.


199 posted on 07/15/2009 8:51:09 AM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: sam_paine

> Well, now. It took a bit of fumbling around in the Dark Ages, and a lot of royal family blood feuds to get to a Constitutionally neutered Monarchy over there, now, didn’t it?

And don’t forget a proper Revolutionary War — you know, where the good guys (Round Heads) got to chop of the King’s head in order to make him listen to Parliament?

That’s one thing you Yanks did wrong with your Revolutionary War: you didn’t chop off anybody’s head. Even the French got that part right with their Revolution. Even the Russians did, too.


200 posted on 07/15/2009 8:53:24 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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