'Birth hospital': Letter for real - New images of 'Obama document'

Worldnet Daily ^ | July 16, 2009 | Joe Kovacs

[Beckwith]

Fred, I'd like to pursue this:

He’s the only one remember, who actually saw Obama Sr and Stanley Ann together in Hawaii

If I remember correctly, Abercrombie described Anna as being outside their clique and that Obama Sr. treated Anne as less than an equal.

Do you have any recollection of Abercrombie's recollections?

[LorenC]

"Do you get the PICTURE now, Loren, what a real letter is supposed to look like? People who are not trying to jerk the reader around DO NOT show a perfectly flat Eagle Seal here, and a perfectly formed signature there.

"They show THE WHOLE FREAKIN' LETTER!"

First, I linked to six whole White House letters in my post. So yes, I am well aware of what real letters look like, and I was not trying to jerk around anyone. I naturally assumed readers who were interested in seeing the letters would click on the links.

Second, I'm slightly unclear as to what your point is in embedding images of these White House letters in your post. In case you didn't notice, each of them contradicts assertions you made about what a White House letter "should" look like. They all lack signature lines, several of them lack addresses, and Bill Clinton's is not done in block style.

All you've done is provide more evidence that your supposed standards for what a White House letter "should" look like are grossly inaccurate or overreaching. "Real" White House letters clearly come in a variety of forms, and this letter to the hospital has no features that cannot be found in other White House letters.

In fact, one of the only truly universal features about White House letters is that they DON'T have the kind of signature lines that you claimed Obama's was inappropriately missing.

[thecodont]

See Paragraph 4 below, where Queen's Medical Center is ID'ed [June 30, 2009]-- before it was "corrected" about a week ago...

I did a search today

http://www.queensmedicalcenter.net/

and found nothing on that Web page using the search term "Obama."

[getontwitterfacebknow]

a Hawaiian newspaper article, Eleanor Nordyke says she was in the same hospital on the same days as Obama’s mother who gave birth to Barack on Aug. 4, 1961.

According to the story, Nordyke gave birth to twins on Aug. 5, 1961.

Below is the story. I am not good at making links, but I think that if you copy and paste the link into your address bar, the article will come up.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081222/NEWS01/812220320/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews

December 22, 2008

Twin sisters, Obama on parallel paths for years
Born in same hospital within hours of each other, educated together

Retracing the steps of history, Eleanor Nordyke now realizes that she was in labor with twin daughters while Barack Obama, now the president-elect, was being born at what is now Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.

“I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other,” Nordyke said.

She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.

“She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.”

When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital.

The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.

Nordyke was well into labor by then with girls who were three weeks premature. By 2 p.m. the following day, Susan was born at 5 pounds, 12 ounces, and Gretchen weighed in at 6 pounds, 4 ounces.

As toddlers, the girls called each other “Nunu” and “Nini” “and the other children picked it up, and we held onto it all this time,” Nordyke said.

With the names Nordyke and Obama, the twins were often pictured near Obama in their class yearbooks, their mother said.

The daughters now live on the Mainland, and neither returned repeated telephone messages seeking comment.

But one or both may return to Honolulu in June when their class celebrates its 30th reunion, Nordyke said.

Reach Dan Nakaso at dnakaso@honoluluadvertiser.com.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081222/NEWS01/812220320/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews

She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham

Based on an internet copy of a birth record, she assumes Obama was born at the same hospital.

Amazing the interesting things that happen when the Obama’s vacation in Hawaii. (No such thing as a coincidence)

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Bump Dat!!!...

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/chi-0703270151mar27-archive,0,91024,full.story

He’s shooting off his mouth in this story, but I’m afraid to go back there because my computer has a fit when I do.

Someone has picked up parts of it on their blog here:

http://localmalcontent.blogspot.com/2009/06/exposing-pathetic-fraud-pt-4.html

“...For Stanley Ann, her new relationship with Barack Obama and weekend discussions seemed to be in part, a logical extension of long coffeehouse sessions in Seattle and the teachings of Wichterman and Foubert. The forum now involved graduate students from the University of Hawaii. [...] The self-assured and opinionated Obama spoke with a voice so deep that “he made James Earl Jones seem like a tenor,” said Neil Abercrombie, a Democratic congressman from Hawaii who was part of those regular gatherings. While Obama was impatient and energized, Stanley Ann, whom Abercrombie described as “the original feminist,” was endlessly patient but quietly passionate in her arguments. She was the only woman in the group. “I think she was attracted to his powerful personality,” Abercrombie said, “and he was attracted to her beauty and her calmness.”

But you’ve got to remember this is a man who can read from a forged letter and not follow the (forged) text:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trqfq9FY1Ig

Let me know when Hawaii gives out its BIGGEST SCUMBAG AWARD!

[Fred Nerks]

I have no idea what ‘number’ the letter he is reading may be, but I can tell that he can’t read the text of a forged letter, because what he says doesn’t correspond with the text on 1,2, or 3...hehehe!

He’s a scumbag.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/Story_not_found

linky no worky

But save the day, someone posted it here:

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-141411.html

Only one small problem, looks as if the Nordykes forgot to announce the birth of their twins.

[getontwitterfacebknow]

Someone on the thread claims the twins announcement was probably listed one week later.

It’s all too coincidental, that this story is posted right after Obama visits HI in Dec, 2009. Timely coincidence that Obama’s birth links up with the Nordyke’s birth.

The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.

Reach Dan Nakaso at dnakaso@honoluluadvertiser.com the author of the article.

[Fred Nerks]

THE MYSTERIOUS CASE OF THE MISSING TWINS:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm

[Fred Nerks]

The birth announcements include births up until April 7.

[getontwitterfacebknow]

Susan "Nunu" Bell, left, and Gretchen "Nini" Worthington were born at the same Honolulu hospital where Barack Obama was born hours earlier. The twin girls also graduated from Punahou with Obama.

Eleanor Nordyke sits in her living room in Manoa with her twin daughters' scrapbook. They were born within hours of President-elect Barack Obama; the twins also graduated from Punahou with Obama.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Dec/22/ln/hawaii812220320.html

Photos by GREGORY YAMAMOTO | Honolulu Advertiser

Dual citizen's are ineligible to be CIC. Also, not legal if he's forged any docs in his past, didn't acknowledge all his names on legal docs, etc.

[Fred Nerks]

thanks for the link.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Dec/22/ln/hawaii812220320.html

Eleanor Nordyke maintains she met Madelyn on a cruise in 2002, when Madelyn told her that her grandson was a social worker.

Obama was a Senator, Illinois State Senate, 1996-2004.

In 2003 Madelyn is shown at Maya’s wedding in Hawaii sitting on a walking aid. The woman suffered from severe osteoporosis. I find it difficult to believe she was on a cruise, on her own, in 2002.

Like everything else - this story just doesn’t add up.

Eleanor Nordyke’s husband was Robert A. Nordyke, MD, Straub Clinic & Hospital, ... his field was nuclear medicine.

IIRC both Stanley Ann and Madelyn were patients at that clinic.

Eleanor Nordyke is an author, she’s listed here:

http://www.eastwestcenter.org/publications/search-for-publications/browse-all-series/?class_call=view&seriesid=86

the EAST WEST CENTRE.

That’s where Stanley Ann met Obama Snr at a Russian class, isn’t it? So many coincidences...

You can’t beat THE OBAMA FILE FOR RESEARCH:

http://www.theobamafile.com/

[getontwitterfacebknow]

Thanks.

What about about the author of the article and the photographer? What's their background? Odd that the twins weren't available for comments but they were available for pictures? Or did Eleanor just provide the photo of the twins with their blessing? Interesting that this story comes out right after Obama visited HI in December, 2009.

Also, did Obama ever state he was born in a different hospital? But then after then after the Election, and after his Dec, 2008 visit, this became the official ‘hospital’ based on this article and the letter sent to the hospital from Obama in early 2009?

Seems like they thought this story would go away.

[Polarik]

This letter to the hospital has no features that cannot be found in other White House letters.

Reagan's letter was block, justified (my point), and had the name and address of the recipient below his signature (my point). Gerald Ford's letter also had the name and address of the recipient below his signature (my point), and was also block (my point) - even though it was left-aligned, it was as close to being justified as a left align could be (my point).

Reagan, Ford, and Clinton all had the embossed Eagle Seal where the bas relief was clearly three-dimensional (my point) along with the deflections in the paper (my point).

George W. Bush had two distinctive Seals on his stationary (I'll call this one a "Draw").

I'll give you two points for calling to my attention to the fact that the text and format of Obama's letter does not SEEM to be unusual, although I did call out the strangely misaligned text for which i've heard no response.

Here's the crux of the argument: you still have not provided any proof as to the veracity of that photo allegedly made of his letter -- THAT is what I'm calling out. Saying "it looks like a White house letter" is no different that what libelals were saying about Obama's COLB, that "it looks like a Hawaii birth certificate."

Looks can be deceiving - especially when they come from the Left.

To reiterate:

1. I saw a flat Eagle Seal with no bas relief shown in the paper and no deflections shown in the paper. The "raised" Seal was perfectly flat. Unless someone shows me those features in a photo of an actual letter, the photo and the letter are not credible.

2. I saw a blue signature of Obama's where the intensity, luminance, and saturation rule it out as having been applied to the letter .

Again, until someone shows me concrete proof of that signature actually residing on the paper, and not try to pull a Factcheck bait-and-switch by showing only the individual photos of the Seal and Signature, I'm still going to question the veracity of the photo and the object shown.

I don't have to get everything right. All I need is for one thing to be right.