Posted on 07/17/2009 4:11:33 PM PDT by madison10
Edited on 07/17/2009 4:30:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
One of the most outrageous mandates in the Democratic health care bill is found on page 416. [Mod note: try pp 425-426] On this page, you will see mandatory “end of life” counseling for seniors every five years. With this counseling, they will be spoken to about the different end of life choices that can be undertaken.
This is crazy. How could some Democrat not get an amendment approved during committee to remove this page of the new health care legislation?
This is only one outrage contained in this bill. If Obama has his way, forcing this bill to be voted on next week without members and citizens to actually see what is in it, we will definitely be surprised the next time we try to go see a doctor.
Call Democrat Mike Ross and ask him to stop this bill in committee. Also tell him you’ll donate to his campaign and do so, after he stops this bill. The energy committee must pass the bill to get it to the floor. There are many conservative Dems on that committee. Only 7 are needed to kill it. They had 10 yesterday. They need your support. Two other committees already passed it today. We need to call today. Also, can someone else post the names of other blue dog Dems on that committee? Thanks.
You can see the entire 1018 page health care bill here.
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Take a firearm and teach the counselors more about the subject.
I don’t see it explained as stated. If I’m wrong, please correct me with the correct passage.
BTW, End of Life, as we are talking about, begins on page 431.
Page 431&432.
” Yeah. It’s really simple. “We aren’t going to give you the treatment you need so to make the dying process a little more palatable, here’s some counseling.” “
Yes, that’s exactly what it’s going to be. Unless you’re a Kennedy or some other American Royalty.
Molon Labe.
If this bill becomes law we will need to go to RED ALERT!!! Just keeping the sci-fi theme going. ;)
They will exempt themselves.
Kind of the way Fidel and Raul are exempt from the rules of their "top-notch" state-run medical system.
If this abortion of our constitutional rights (life, liberty and all that jazz) passes, I also envision the government finding a way to force any recalcitrant MDs into getting a high percentage of their old patients to sign on the dotted line to go into the wood chipper for the "greater good."
I can see the government penalizing MDs with a low percentage of elderly patients agreeing to be euthanized... for instance, if an MD has fewer than 50% (a random number, pulled out of my paranoid, right-wing imagination) of his elderly patients signed up for the wood chipper, then he (or she, the MD) will only get 15% (another randomly chosen number) of the standard reimbursement.
Heck, I could also see a special "bonus" going to the lucky MD who has 75% or more of his elderly patients agreeing to government euthanasia.
Can we recall a president?
“So where is the AARP?
My guess is they are sponsors.”
Wouldn’t be surprised. After reading the text, I’d bet that AARP sees this as helpful to Seniors who have questions about living wills, nursing homes etc.
But, once again, seems like the government and the proponents of this Administration seem to believe that most Americans are too stupid to think and make decisions for themselves...(hmmmm, maybe they’re basing this assumption on the results of the last election...maybe some truth to this...).
As mentioned by another poster....making this MANDATORY is chipping away another piece of our freedom.
Further, just how do they intend to enforce this?? Not to mention the cost to insurance companies....i suspect this would be a required benefit. We are living in Bizarro world but it’s not at all funny.
I am going to puke now. Satan is behind this.
Can't see many of them doing that, but their families really need to watch out for them and attend such sessions, if possible. What concerns me are the so-called privacy statements put out by the medical industry--they are okay now, but will they be in the way when the children want to help their parents?
In NYS, if you are hospitalized you are hounded by the social worker to sign the DNR orders (do not resuscitate). You could be hanging off the bed but they want to know immediately if you are not conscious what to do. What is being recounted in the article is indeed a living will of sorts, only now it will be universal.
They’ll be pretty ticked if the have to sit in a shrinks office for counseling about it
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That is exactly what these Communists hope for. That the most people will be is ticked off. How about saying NO and refusing? I am tending to agree with some on here. Too many have gone soft and are willing to accept whatever they are told to do. I’m not one of them. I will leave this country and never come back before I will live as a slave to the government.
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who’s thinking this stuff up? I don’t think they offer that counseling at Planned Parenthood.
I can’t imagine the geezers in the senate going for this.
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As if they ever read all the way to 425. Reid admitted that if any of them ever read every page of every bill they would never get anything passed. How sick is that?
Right. And the new rules have no HIPPA waiver clause. Therefore by default it prohibits any family members to be present during the mandatory arm-twisting consultation.
Good point. Why don't they give the mothers such counseling before killing their babies?
They have been calling members in New England asking them to call their Congressman and to urge them to vote AGAINST ObamaCare.
I think the Democratic congress better be look into end of life counseling because they apparently don’t realize how close they are getting to their own end of life.
bttt
I am concerned about Mr. Byrd, he has been opposing several of these massive bills and the top dem dogs don’t like it.
Well I am almost 70 but not near end of life. If this stpid bill passes I don’t need Obama’s counseling. I have Jesus and will put myself in His hands
Is "Get the f^&k out of my room or I'm taking you with me" one of the choices?
LOL
“....On this page, you will see mandatory “end of life” counseling for seniors every five years....”
Bullet, gas or lethal injection; you get to choose!
Y’all the odious term in the legislation is ‘palliative care’.
Euthanasia falls under ‘palliative care’.
AARP is pushing the “health care reform”, or so the aarp mag says.. Read the aarp mag at my mom place last weekend...
Maybe the proponents could demonstrate this on Kennedy, Byrd, and Ginsberg.
Maybe the proponents could demonstrate this on Kennedy, Byrd, and Ginsberg.
“Seniors need to declare mandatory end-of-life for 0bama
care end-of-life counselors”.
It’s not what you say but the way that you say it!
MAE WEST
Our son had disabilities. Once we went to the emergency room and the doctor asked me whether we wanted to save him or not. I said that’s why we’re at the hospital. That was at least 10 years ago.
Heaven help us if you’re disabled, old and have no meaningful input into society.
Basically, each senior has to have an end-of=life discussion with a doctor or nurse practitioner every five years or when certain trigger events (terminal illness, admittance to a skilled nursing ward, etc.) occur. It mandates what issues are to be discussed and what form an advance directive has to take.
(I’m not sure yet if it’s every senior or just the ones on the governmant plan, which would be almost all of them anyway.)
In the wake of Cronkite's death, I immediately thought of Ted Kennedy...
Yikes.
In sonme states, the “state resources” discussed in this section would include assisted suicide.
See post 136.
It sounds more benign than it's being portrayed. But it still is none of the government's business to impose such counseling. Even if the federal government is the insurer-of-record -- certainly no insurers have that power now.
Not to mention that, eventually, some liberal judge will re-interpret the legislation as mandating a house call by Dr. Kevorkian (or some other "assisted suicide provider").
This legislation really is a steaming pile of horsexxxx. And I'm sure we haven't heard the worst of it...yet.
Since when is it any of the government’s bloody business what my advance directives are like, or whether I have one at all? Do they own us now? Should I call them “massuh?”
Chill pill my ass.
This is how they see it working:
Ok, when you think you have suffered enough, if you are not of value to the country, take these pills, go lie down in your bed and die in your sleep like you are supposed to.
‘bout right?
Page 16 is the page where they outlaw private health insurance for individuals.
No, I’m not kidding.
True. However...
The government has no business requiring me to have a living will.
The government has no business requiring me to discuss this matter with anyone.
Hussein keeps it up and he won’t be able to carry Florida with an endorsement from Mickey Mouse.
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“...mandatory “end of life” counseling for seniors ...”
...mandatory “end your life” counseling for seniors ...
Fixed.
No, by definition it is not. Palliative care involves making the living comfortable. I know that there's euthanasia as a goal behind the provisions of this bill, but let's not sully the name of an honorable area of practice by associating it with murder.
The AARP promotes ObamaCare every chance they get. They are fully in league with Obama. AARP is a fraud.
I seriously doubt that...but otherwise you're 100% dead on.
I now advise my clients to have an advance directive to emphasize they want everything done to preserve their lives (if that is what they want) esp if they are Catholic like Terri Schiavo was. And that their spouse is not necessarily the best one to have as their medical agent — because if the woman is married to a tightwad he may not spend the money to keep her going and if her kids are waiting for their dough, they may not have her best interest in mind either.......
I AGREE! The government is our overlord.....or wants to be....
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