Skip to comments.Mandatory End of Life Counseling for Seniors
Posted on 07/17/2009 4:11:33 PM PDT by madison10Edited on 07/17/2009 4:30:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
One of the most outrageous mandates in the Democratic health care bill is found on page 416. [Mod note: try pp 425-426] On this page, you will see mandatory end of life counseling for seniors every five years. With this counseling, they will be spoken to about the different end of life choices that can be undertaken.
This is crazy. How could some Democrat not get an amendment approved during committee to remove this page of the new health care legislation?
This is only one outrage contained in this bill. If Obama has his way, forcing this bill to be voted on next week without members and citizens to actually see what is in it, we will definitely be surprised the next time we try to go see a doctor.
Call Democrat Mike Ross and ask him to stop this bill in committee. Also tell him youll donate to his campaign and do so, after he stops this bill. The energy committee must pass the bill to get it to the floor. There are many conservative Dems on that committee. Only 7 are needed to kill it. They had 10 yesterday. They need your support. Two other committees already passed it today. We need to call today. Also, can someone else post the names of other blue dog Dems on that committee? Thanks.
You can see the entire 1018 page health care bill here.
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Just found it. These people are going to try and kill off the baby boomer generation. They will do their best to make old people feel like ‘burdens on society’ and get them all signing these ‘orders’..PUSHED INTO THESE ORDERS!
This is an OUTRAGE!
Check out page 761, where the bait and switch occurs:
(7) SPECIAL RULE FOR FISCAL YEARS 2017, 2018, AND 2019.
(A) FISCAL YEAR 2017.Notwithstanding paragraph (2), the total DSH allotments for all
(i) fiscal year 2017, shall be the total DSH allotments that would otherwise be determined under this subsection for such fiscal year decreased by $1,500,000,000;
(ii) fiscal year 2018, shall be the total DSH allotments that would otherwise be determined under this subsection for such fiscal year decreased by $2,500,000,000; and
(iii) fiscal year 2019, shall be the total DSH allotments that would otherwise be determined under this subsection for such fiscal year decreased by $6,000,000,000.
In other words, old people are refused all treatment by 2019.
With all due respect, your post is essentially unreadable.
So, what IS being proposed, exactly?
I suspect that during counselling, many seniors will be found to be “confused and disoriented” and unable to make end of life decisions for themselves.
Do we really want them to be giving advice as to where the senior's money will go, or how soon, or the best way to die? In the end it is a money grab.
The mandatory is a given...the whole frickin' proposal is mandatory
Apologies for getting the page number wrong.
I have looked in sec 1233, page 416, pages 425-26 and page 452 and see nothing about assisted suicide.
The portion in question seems to be under (sdtarting on page 424):
SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
(1) IN GENERAL.Section 1861 of the Social 18 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended-
...and on page 426, there is this:
"E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
This is to be held every five years. Pallative care is comfort for the terminally ill, hospice care is health care for the terminally ill.
That's all I could find, and found no provisions for assited suicide counseling.
How do they define old?
Couple of questions: Is this in the House bill or the Senate bill? Also, can you provide a link to the legislation via the Library of Congress’ Thomas website so we can all go read it? Thanks.
I can’t imagine the geezers in the senate going for this.
Seniors need to declare mandatory end-of-life for 0bamacare end-of-life counselors.
And as such, they should not be in possession of any firearms.
OK here is the paragraph
“(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title ...”
While we know this monstrosity will result in rationing and such there is nothing in this bill that specifically says much of anything about that. This is just a teaser of things to come by these socialists.
But I’m glad it is in this bill because it gives us an opening to get this issue on the table. This issue is what will get people emotionally united against the bill.
If they show up at my place I’ll have two dueling pistols ready, we’ll see how they like that mandatory end of life scenario.
This isn’t Sci-fi; this is prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.
When the time comes, if such meetings are mandatory, I am going to take with me a big, fat, juicy creme pie to apply to the face of the person doing the counseling. And maybe a stink bomb if they haven’t been outlawed by our Overlords by then.
First question: Are you a Democrat or a Republican? If you answer Democrat, the interview is complete and you are free to go. If you answer Republican, you'll get this question: Do you own any firearms?
If you say yes, the trap door opens and you're never seen again.