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Mandatory End of Life Counseling for Seniors
Zach's House Blog ^ | July 17, 2009 | Zach

Posted on 07/17/2009 4:11:33 PM PDT by madison10

Edited on 07/17/2009 4:30:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

One of the most outrageous mandates in the Democratic health care bill is found on page 416. [Mod note: try pp 425-426] On this page, you will see mandatory “end of life” counseling for seniors every five years. With this counseling, they will be spoken to about the different end of life choices that can be undertaken.

This is crazy. How could some Democrat not get an amendment approved during committee to remove this page of the new health care legislation?

This is only one outrage contained in this bill. If Obama has his way, forcing this bill to be voted on next week without members and citizens to actually see what is in it, we will definitely be surprised the next time we try to go see a doctor.

Call Democrat Mike Ross and ask him to stop this bill in committee. Also tell him you’ll donate to his campaign and do so, after he stops this bill. The energy committee must pass the bill to get it to the floor. There are many conservative Dems on that committee. Only 7 are needed to kill it. They had 10 yesterday. They need your support. Two other committees already passed it today. We need to call today. Also, can someone else post the names of other blue dog Dems on that committee? Thanks.

You can see the entire 1018 page health care bill here.

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KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bho44; bhohealthcare; deathcare; democratcongress; democrats; elderly; fubo; help; murderbyobama; obama; obamacare; seniors; socializedmedicine
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Just found it. These people are going to try and kill off the baby boomer generation. They will do their best to make old people feel like ‘burdens on society’ and get them all signing these ‘orders’..PUSHED INTO THESE ORDERS!

This is an OUTRAGE!


41 posted on 07/17/2009 4:35:43 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Balding_Eagle

Check out page 761, where the bait and switch occurs:
‘‘(7) SPECIAL RULE FOR FISCAL YEARS 2017, 2018, AND 2019.—
‘‘(A) FISCAL YEAR 2017.—Notwithstanding paragraph (2), the total DSH allotments for all
States for—
‘‘(i) fiscal year 2017, shall be the total DSH allotments that would otherwise be determined under this subsection for such fiscal year decreased by $1,500,000,000;
‘‘(ii) fiscal year 2018, shall be the total DSH allotments that would otherwise be determined under this subsection for such fiscal year decreased by $2,500,000,000; and
‘‘(iii) fiscal year 2019, shall be the total DSH allotments that would otherwise be determined under this subsection for such fiscal year decreased by $6,000,000,000.’’

In other words, old people are refused all treatment by 2019.


42 posted on 07/17/2009 4:37:23 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: freedomwarrior998
Here is the appropriate section... Make sure you read exactly what is being proposed, so we don’t look like idiots.

With all due respect, your post is essentially unreadable.

So, what IS being proposed, exactly?

43 posted on 07/17/2009 4:38:08 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: penelopesire

I suspect that during counselling, many seniors will be found to be “confused and disoriented” and unable to make end of life decisions for themselves.


44 posted on 07/17/2009 4:38:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: jkeith3213
They, meaning the do-gooder counselors, will be set up to perform the same assistance that Financial Advisors, Doctors, and others perform now. On its face it seems okay, but we all know how "helpful" the government can be a la Child Protective Services, Veterans, and other entities.

Do we really want them to be giving advice as to where the senior's money will go, or how soon, or the best way to die? In the end it is a money grab.

The mandatory is a given...the whole frickin' proposal is mandatory

Apologies for getting the page number wrong.

45 posted on 07/17/2009 4:38:44 PM PDT by madison10 (Prayer is what is remains when we run out of options...when it should have been the first choice.)
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I have looked in sec 1233, page 416, pages 425-26 and page 452 and see nothing about assisted suicide.


46 posted on 07/17/2009 4:38:46 PM PDT by redangus
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To: madison10
I actually downloaded and read the portion in question. It is not on page 416.

The portion in question seems to be under (sdtarting on page 424):

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.

(a) MEDICARE.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social 18 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended-

...and on page 426, there is this:

"E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

This is to be held every five years. Pallative care is comfort for the terminally ill, hospice care is health care for the terminally ill.

That's all I could find, and found no provisions for assited suicide counseling.

47 posted on 07/17/2009 4:38:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: aimhigh

How do they define old?


48 posted on 07/17/2009 4:41:40 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: madison10

Couple of questions: Is this in the House bill or the Senate bill? Also, can you provide a link to the legislation via the Library of Congress’ Thomas website so we can all go read it? Thanks.


49 posted on 07/17/2009 4:41:57 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: madison10
OK all you good Catholics who voted for Obeyme - been to confession yet? The RCC had better come out with threats of excommunication for any “catholic” democrat politician who doesn't fight this tooth & nail.(McCaskill, Dodd, Leahy, Pelosi, Kennedy et al)
50 posted on 07/17/2009 4:42:15 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: madison10

I can’t imagine the geezers in the senate going for this.


51 posted on 07/17/2009 4:42:26 PM PDT by Post5203 (0bama is the Jim Jones of the new millennium.)
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To: aimhigh

Good catch!

Unbelievable!


52 posted on 07/17/2009 4:45:51 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: madison10

Seniors need to declare mandatory end-of-life for 0bamacare end-of-life counselors.


53 posted on 07/17/2009 4:47:43 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cripplecreek
I suspect that during counselling, many seniors will be found to be “confused and disoriented” and unable to make end of life decisions for themselves.

And as such, they should not be in possession of any firearms.

54 posted on 07/17/2009 4:49:36 PM PDT by randita
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To: madison10

OK here is the paragraph

“‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title ...”

While we know this monstrosity will result in rationing and such there is nothing in this bill that specifically says much of anything about that. This is just a teaser of things to come by these socialists.

But I’m glad it is in this bill because it gives us an opening to get this issue on the table. This issue is what will get people emotionally united against the bill.


55 posted on 07/17/2009 4:49:43 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: madison10
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
 
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
 
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
 
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
 
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
 
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

56 posted on 07/17/2009 4:49:51 PM PDT by Lucretia Borgia (I will be happy to show Obama the same respect the Democrats gave Reagan, Bush, and Palin.)
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To: madison10

If they show up at my place I’ll have two dueling pistols ready, we’ll see how they like that mandatory end of life scenario.


57 posted on 07/17/2009 4:50:42 PM PDT by culpeper ( When traitors are called heroes, dark times have fallen - Roland Deschain)
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To: madison10

This isn’t Sci-fi; this is prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.


58 posted on 07/17/2009 4:51:17 PM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: Balding_Eagle

When the time comes, if such meetings are mandatory, I am going to take with me a big, fat, juicy creme pie to apply to the face of the person doing the counseling. And maybe a stink bomb if they haven’t been outlawed by our Overlords by then.


59 posted on 07/17/2009 4:52:11 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: GnuHere
Oh, it certainly wouldn’t be a shrink - more like an ACORN type I suspect, who’s had a 2 hour training seminar.

First question: Are you a Democrat or a Republican? If you answer Democrat, the interview is complete and you are free to go. If you answer Republican, you'll get this question: Do you own any firearms?

If you say yes, the trap door opens and you're never seen again.

60 posted on 07/17/2009 4:53:10 PM PDT by randita
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