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Liz Cheney: No question on citizenship (+ video)
Politico ^ | 7-22-09 | Ben Smith

Posted on 07/22/2009 9:50:20 AM PDT by STARWISE

Liz Cheney is taking some heat today for, amid a discussion on Larry King Live of the fringe movement that doubts Obama's citizenship, appearing to defend it.

"People are fundamentally uncomfortable, and they're fundamentally increasingly uncomfortable with an American president who seems to be afraid to defend America," she said "The kind of thing you saw on this video is indicative of sort of a general feeling of discomfort."

"She refuses to say, 'This is ludicrous,' because she actually wants to encourage these people to believe this," Democratic consultant James Carville shot back on CNN.

I asked Cheney about the subject, and she emailed:

I don't have any question about Barack Obama's right to be President of the United States.

My concern is with his policies. I am deeply troubled about the path he is taking this country down -- massively expanding the size of government, weakening our national defenses, increasing taxes on all Americans and nationalizing health care. These are dangerous policies for the nation.

The video that triggered the question:


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; carville; certifigate; cheney; citizenship; larrykinglive; lizcheney; obama; usurper
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Liz Cheney defends the Birthers

1 posted on 07/22/2009 9:50:21 AM PDT by STARWISE
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~DING!


2 posted on 07/22/2009 9:50:58 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

Liz Lesson: Pick your battles.


3 posted on 07/22/2009 9:53:38 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: STARWISE

Liz buckled


4 posted on 07/22/2009 9:54:22 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: bigbob
Liz Lesson: Pick your battles.

I pick this one!
5 posted on 07/22/2009 9:54:49 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: STARWISE

This works for me. As poor as CNN’s ratings are King still has more of an audience than Politico and more will see the vid on youtube. Bottom line, the longer this story goes on the more people will suspect 0bama.


6 posted on 07/22/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: bigbob

I agree with her on this one. If she joined the birthers, she’d automatically be branded a nut.


7 posted on 07/22/2009 9:56:00 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: STARWISE

Why is Liz Cheney expected to answer for the birther movement, anyway? How many videos of leftist truthers did Larry King confront prominent Democrats with? How many Democrats had to answer to the anti-war lunatics smearing themselves with fake blood and bursting into committee hearings, or urging soldiers to kill their commanding officers at protest rallies?


8 posted on 07/22/2009 9:56:44 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: bigbob

Smart lady.


9 posted on 07/22/2009 9:56:49 AM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: BunnySlippers
I agree with her on this one. If she joined the birthers, she’d automatically be branded a nut.

Like the Press and the DNC aren't willing to brand conservatives nuts for their support for guns, pro-life, anti-gay measure positions, right?
10 posted on 07/22/2009 9:57:23 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: STARWISE

She should have pulled a Hillary

“Is he a citizen?”

“As far as I know”


11 posted on 07/22/2009 9:58:42 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: SoConPubbie

You may not want to agree with me, but it’s different.

The Right has always been known for guns, pro-life and traditional marriage. The birth certificate is something entirely different, and not a party policy anyway.


12 posted on 07/22/2009 9:59:48 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: STARWISE

“Liz Cheney defends the Birthers”

If I’m reading that right, in that article, it seems to say that the following, below, is “defending birthers” (or the Obama Birth Certificate issue).

It sure doesn’t seem that she’s doing that to me (from the statement below). It seems that she’s trying to sidestep the issue and not get drawn into a discussion of it.


I don’t have any question about Barack Obama’s right to be President of the United States.

My concern is with his policies. I am deeply troubled about the path he is taking this country down — massively expanding the size of government, weakening our national defenses, increasing taxes on all Americans and nationalizing health care. These are dangerous policies for the nation.


I think what is going on here, is that the leftists are now going to try to put *anyone* who opposes Obama and his policies as a “birther” — in order to try and marginalize opposition to Obama’s policies.

That appears to be what is going on by these articles...


13 posted on 07/22/2009 9:59:57 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: pissant

Not at all.


14 posted on 07/22/2009 10:00:27 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

You said — Why is Liz Cheney expected to answer for the birther movement, anyway?

She’s not expected to... That’s not what is going on here. What is happening is that the leftists have now seen that the “birther issue” has been successfully painted as an “obsessive and out-of-control” group, and they are using that “perception” by the public, in order to “paint” anyone who opposes Obama’s leftist policies as being in that camp.

It’s a technique that the left is now staring to use to marginalize any conservative who opposes Obama’s policies, as a “birther” and by association — “obviously nuts”...


15 posted on 07/22/2009 10:02:56 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: STARWISE

Why defend the ‘birthers’ if you are going to pull a Liz/John campbell and say he’s legit.


16 posted on 07/22/2009 10:04:10 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: BunnySlippers

The left isn’t content to call birthers nuts. The new talking point is to refer birthers as racists.


17 posted on 07/22/2009 10:05:18 AM PDT by yongin
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To: pissant

You said — Liz buckled

No, what she was doing was trying to not allow the leftists to paint her as a “nut case” — as the leftists are now trying to do with anyone who opposes Obama’s policies (using the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” crowd as “cover” for their “marginalization” of those who oppose Obama).


18 posted on 07/22/2009 10:05:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Everyone forgets the Leftwingtards first raised the issue by claiming that John McCain was not "native born". They had 15 to 20 iterations of how that might have happened.

The correct answer to pukes like Larry King is simply to remind him that he had interviewed people who claimed McCain was not "native born".

Notice that I am pointing to "people he interviewed", not that they claimed it on his show.

His only response would be "who" and I'm sure a list of a half dozen can be worked up in short order should anyone else encounter this problem.

His only respose for that would be "but they didn't say that on my show" (or words to that effect), and you simply reply "you must have missed it when you researched what they were saying before the show, or, it escaped your attention".

King knows those words ~ he uses them himself, and that's his logical flow ~ it didn't happen, I wasn't there.

19 posted on 07/22/2009 10:07:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yongin

You said — The left isn’t content to call birthers nuts. The new talking point is to refer birthers as racists.

Yep..., that is now the technique that the leftists are going to start using for anyone who opposes Obama’s policies.

If your arguments are *strong* and *reasoned* in opposing Obama’s policies — the *quickest way* to get you dismissed in the public’s mind is to get you to say that you want Obama to produce his birth certificate.

Your previous reasoned arguments about Obama’s policies *just went out the window* — if you get into that argument... LOL...


20 posted on 07/22/2009 10:07:56 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: pissant

Liz Cheney is a foreign policy professional
.. and in my opinion is rightfully sticking
exclusively to her area of expertise.


21 posted on 07/22/2009 10:08:20 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Star Traveler

Gee. I guess Rush is worried about that too, huh? Since he said he has no idea if O is legit. that is the proper answer if you are going to wade into this at all.


22 posted on 07/22/2009 10:08:25 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: STARWISE
As that great sage of all men righteous Yogi Berra once said,”It aint over til it's over”.
23 posted on 07/22/2009 10:08:38 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: muawiyah

You said — Everyone forgets the Leftwingtards first raised the issue by claiming that John McCain was not “native born”.

But, they “covered” themselves, by issuing a resolution that McCain was qualified... so that was no longer an issue.


24 posted on 07/22/2009 10:09:12 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Until he is proven to have been born in Kenya that is troll boy.
25 posted on 07/22/2009 10:10:01 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: STARWISE

Even my mother at 70 and apolitical said the other day, “why doesn’t he just show his real birth certificate and end this stuff?”

It’s got legs.


26 posted on 07/22/2009 10:10:03 AM PDT by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole.)
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To: Star Traveler
Even after the resolution there were Leftwingtards NOT SITTING IN CONGRESS who continued to pursue the question.

They are not covered.

27 posted on 07/22/2009 10:11:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: STARWISE

James Carville cannot prove that he’s human.


28 posted on 07/22/2009 10:12:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pissant

You said — I guess Rush is worried about that too, huh? Since he said he has no idea if O is legit.

That’s exactly what I’ve said about the issue from the beginning. And the other thing that I’ve said is that there is no legal requirement for anyone to produce their birth certificate and that loophole has to be fixed.

What I’m pointing out here is that the left has found a great way to shift the issue whenever someone gets on something that may have “legs” (on an issue). All they have to do is “paint the person” as a “birther nut” and then the whole conversation shifts from what might have been legitimate arguments about some legislation into the morass that the leftists want to leave in the public’s mind — in that the person is actually a “nut-case birther” and therefore should not be listened to at all...

I can see that this is now their developing strategy...


29 posted on 07/22/2009 10:12:55 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: muawiyah

Watch Serpenthead’s mouth stuttering, blubbering ... LOL ...


30 posted on 07/22/2009 10:12:59 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: BunnySlippers
"If she joined the birthers, she’d automatically be branded a nut."

If she joined the birthers, she would be a nut.

31 posted on 07/22/2009 10:14:17 AM PDT by mlo
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To: muawiyah

Oh yeah... I know that there were — but all someone has to do is point to the resolution and that puts an end to it.

With the “birthers” — there is no resolution to put an end to it... and the leftists love that, since they can hammer home with the public, when someone opposes Obama — by saying, “Oh, don’t pay attention to them, they’re just another nut-case birther, that’s all...”

That’s obviously their new strategy here and why the birther issue has come up in many of the leftists articles. They’re building up for a massive marginalization of anyone who opposes Obama, by calling them a “birther nut-case”... doncha know...


32 posted on 07/22/2009 10:15:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: STARWISE

Dittos! It is clear that the marching orders to the presstitutes today from Axelrod and Obama are to go after prominent GOP leaders to make them take a stand on this issue while at the same time frantically trying to paint anyone who just wants to see Obama’s real long form BC as crazy and racist. Unless our leaders jump on that obfuscating Alinsky narrative, then I have no problem. Liz answered the question perfectly.

The frantic nature of the left wing press assault today is actually making Obama look more and more guilty of fraud. There is no need for our leaders to jump into the fray at this point. The truth will rise to the surface.


33 posted on 07/22/2009 10:16:10 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: rodguy911

Don’t forget the proven definition for troll on Free Republic....


Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a troll


That’s the most perfect definition that has been derived here on Free Republic, because it works in 100% of the cases... LOL...


34 posted on 07/22/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: BunnySlippers
I agree with her on this one. If she joined the birthers, she’d automatically be branded a nut.

I suspect there won't be a single 2012 candidate that would dare to say otherwise.

35 posted on 07/22/2009 10:17:58 AM PDT by exist
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To: STARWISE

I just hope the birther issue doesn’t turn into a conservative litmus test for candidates.


36 posted on 07/22/2009 10:18:48 AM PDT by DanZanRyu
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To: pissant

Liz Cheney can “not question” Obama on something but still be supportive of those who do (which I think is her position)

Also it needs to be made clear to the Main Stream Media that the majority of “Birthers” don’t KNOW one way or another about Obama’s citizenship....They have DOUBTS because of the actions of the President on this matter.

rather than besmirch doubters Obama should be working to erase doubts
rather than besmirch doubters Obama should be working to erase doubts


37 posted on 07/22/2009 10:19:07 AM PDT by woofie
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To: bigbob
Liz Lesson: Pick your battles.

You know, the last time we picked our battles, we wound up focusing upon whether the President was being serviced by interns instead of the high probability that he had someone on his staff murdered. People understand that murder is wrong much more clearly than some illicit sexual relationships.

Now we should avoid the birth certificate issue which has a high probability of demonstrating that Obama's entire life is a fraud, in favor of some argument about socialized medicine. People understand being lied to. Ask Richard Nixon.

ML/NJ

38 posted on 07/22/2009 10:19:24 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Star Traveler

Their paint ain’t what it used to be. The panic has set in.


39 posted on 07/22/2009 10:23:24 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: BunnySlippers
If she joined the birthers, she’d automatically be branded a nut.

Larry King tried his best to do so.

40 posted on 07/22/2009 10:26:05 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: rodguy911

I don’t care if he was born in
Albuquerque or Algeria.

I want to know and Americans must know
conclusively that he’s legally and Constitutionally
eligible to be CIC.

And if there is an inadvertent electoral
loophole, federal or state, through which
he weasled in, that actions will be taken
to CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE FOREVER,
for the protection and good of all Americans
and the survival and sovereignty of this
great country.


41 posted on 07/22/2009 10:32:38 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: pissant

You said — Their paint ain’t what it used to be. The panic has set in.

Well, here’s how it would work..., if you’re a conservative and you have ever said anything about the birth certificate issue, those leftists are going to know about it. And then, let’s say you’re giving some reasoned points on some legislation being pushed by Obama...

If it starts sounding too good or they can’t counter it — then it’s time to shift over to the “Obama birth certificate issue” — and the leftists will be the ones who raise it.

Then they try to paint that person *as* one of those who believes that Obama is not qualified to be President, because he has not shown a proper birth certificate.

At that point, they’ve just gotten you off your points in regards to Obama’s legislation that you’re trying to get out to the public and over into whether you think that Obama is qualified to be President or not.

The public sees and hears this, they forget all about the points you were making on the legislation that Obama is pushing and now the public thinks the whole issue was about whether Obama is qualified to be President or not.

The leftists love to get the conservatives over into that topic, because it means that this particular conservative can’t talk about the legislation that he originally wanted to talk about.

That’s how it works...

And that’s why the leftists are loving the Obama Birth Certificate Issue as a good issue for them to beat on and divert any conversation away from something else.


42 posted on 07/22/2009 10:34:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

I don’t give a crap what the lefties do.


43 posted on 07/22/2009 10:45:14 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

You said — I don’t give a crap what the lefties do.

You should, because they seem to be in control of things in the government right now...


44 posted on 07/22/2009 10:51:14 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

You fight them on their terms if you like. I fight on mine.


45 posted on 07/22/2009 10:54:53 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

No, I don’t want to fight them on their terms, regarding the birther issue... I would rather fight them on my terms, of the Marxist/Socialist policies and legislation that is coming out...


46 posted on 07/22/2009 10:59:06 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: STARWISE

It is foolish to hinge the fate of this war on the enemies ability to forge documents, and the medias ability to push the marxist PR. This issue should be used for agit-prop and nothing more (or less). Agitating the population is necessary to moving them out of their “rut” and opening them to more “extreme” solutions, but the real reasons for the war should never be overshadowed by the tactics and PR used to achieve those goals.

Use this issue for what it is, but refrain from getting “caught up” in it as your “defining” issue.


47 posted on 07/22/2009 11:02:27 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: Star Traveler

Always works for you since you are a troll.


48 posted on 07/22/2009 11:09:06 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: STARWISE

Exactly Star. That’s what all this is about.If he is legit,which I doubt, how about proving it like everyone else has had to.


49 posted on 07/22/2009 11:10:42 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Star Traveler

walk, chew gum


50 posted on 07/22/2009 11:11:01 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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