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Blogosphere goes bonkers over ‘birthers’
Christian Science Monitor ^
| Linda Feldman
Posted on 07/22/2009 3:18:21 PM PDT by pissant
As if Barack Obama doesnt have enough going on
This issue of his birth certificate just isnt going away. For those of you who usually steer clear of news from the fringe: There is a small but insistent element of the public hereafter referred to as birthers that claims President Obama is not an American citizen, and therefore not qualified to be president.
The certification of live birth issued by the state of Hawaii on Aug. 8, 1961, and readily viewable online is deemed inauthentic. Obama, the claim usually goes, was born in Kenya, his fathers native country.
Enter Liz Cheney, daughter of the former vice president and an increasingly visible conservative on the cable TV circuit.
On Tuesday night, appearing on CNNs Larry King, she was asked about birthers, and did not denounce them outright a reaction that has set off the left. Left-wing bloggers are now saying she defended birthers, which isnt really true, but thats become the talking point.
I think the Democrats have got more crazies than the Republicans do, Ms. Cheney said. But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this, I think this issue is, people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas
For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a natural-born citizen, as required by the Constitution.
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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifgate; certifigate; colb; larrysinclairslover; lizcheney; obama; truthers; usurper
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Another ignorant MSM dingbat passing gas.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:18:21 PM PDT
That means we’re scaring them big time.
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson
saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"
Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.
Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982
from obama's own site factcheck.org
(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdoms dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.
) Here is a better cached version
Here's a third
Kindly cache these too.
Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said
Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3
Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest
that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17)
when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?
A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars
from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times
since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?
The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.
After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "
From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.
Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.
(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules
so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest
the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here
The White House 'dialogue' site
has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.
Rush Limbaugh joked several times
on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."
Even the liberal LA Times
on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".
A bill in the US congress
with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The library of congress
has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File
holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:21:01 PM PDT
posted on 07/22/2009 3:21:44 PM PDT
(-0 retreats, Iraq explodes! NK fires missiles! Iran erupts! China erupts!)
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.
The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.
Listen to the recording here
The quote is around 12:35, so if you dont have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:
Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born
Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive
Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there
Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.
Here is an abridged Utube version
of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.
It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --youll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.
First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.
Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.
He used the same technique on the question of Obamas birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."
Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.
Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.
Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego
To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..
They are the same.
Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador
said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:
"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."
However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.
"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."
While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist
that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.
Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008,
the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:
HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA
Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.
Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.
In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here
why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest
that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser
has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital
where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said
he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo
to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts
of his birth place him in other hospitals
around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.
Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.
The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars
from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)
Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline
of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes
of obama's life.
On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen. The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCains parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskills resolution thus serves no purpose except that language is included to try and provide a blanket cover for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]
303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511
Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach.
Obamas top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March  for breaching sensitive files in the State Departments passport office, according to a State Department Inspector Generals report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennans firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to cauterize the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in
...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:22:04 PM PDT
.............His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a natural-born citizen, as required by the Constitution.........................
Ah, Ms Feldman, not quite so fast!
posted on 07/22/2009 3:22:30 PM PDT
("OK Class: repeat after me: "BUSH BAD- OBAMA SAVIOR OF MANKIND")
claims President Obama is not an American citizen
ARGGGG no no no no. Not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution requires. There is a difference and these screw heads in the media can't even get that part right.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:22:46 PM PDT
(Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.. I am Jim Thompson.)
Of course the write of this article is correct.
That is why Obummer, the Fascist, is displaying his original birth certificate to anyone who asks.
And the million or so he is spending on lawyers? Just to help kick start the economy.
Call me a Birther, I carry the term with honor.
Thsoe who arent Birthers are sticking their heads in the ground and ignoring the Constitution. In fact they dont care whether Obma is legitimate or not. They have thier black President. Thats enough for them.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:24:59 PM PDT
“For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a natural-born citizen, as required by the Constitution”
At the time U.S. law was such that Stanley Ann Dunham would not have been old enough to automatically convey U.S. citizenship to a child.
If Obama was not born in the USA he is not a natural born citizen due to the age of his mother (his only U.S. citizen parent).
posted on 07/22/2009 3:25:15 PM PDT
(Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
Obama, the claim usually goes, was born in Kenya, his fathers native country.
Prove he wasnt...
If there was nothing there, they would ignore the birthers.
Remember Bill Clinton’s vague references to O being “constutionally qualified”
I think this is Hillary’s revenge. She just had to wait until O’s popularity went down.
As if Barack Obama doesnt have enough going on
Ahhhh. Poor thing. Thank goodness his last name isn't Bush or Palin...
posted on 07/22/2009 3:27:15 PM PDT
(Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
His mother was a US citizen
Yes, but his mother was too young to give Obana legitimacy for citizenship...
“For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a natural-born citizen, as required by the Constitution.”
He is wrong. Very very wrong.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:28:21 PM PDT
(You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out)
Did you enjoy that fantastic Canada Free Press article, ‘Do YOU fear Obama’? The author is live tonight on Plains Radio.
Tune into Plains tonight, July 22 at 8:30 PM CST. Ken Dunbar will have as his guest, renouned Canada Free Press writer, J B Williams. Mr. Williams is the author of the article, Are YOU afraid of Obama?.
He will discuss the bc issue and predictions of civil war.
From Williams article in Canadian Free Press:
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of Americas most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
If Americans wont let leftists have their country, the left will burn it and leave it in ruins. There is no peaceful way out of the corner leftists have placed Americans in
Congress, the courts, even the military brass and law enforcement, will do nothing to save this country. The state run media complex is running interference. The American people are on their own here
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. Its the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
Who will save Freedom?
A brave few
This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
Orly Taitz, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, all of whom have made defending the Constitution and the American way of life a personal ambition, in the absence of any constitutional leadership.
A precious few, but they exist
and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. If the American people fail to get behind these brave few who are seeking peaceful redress, all peaceful options will evaporate as if they never existed. We will return to a pre-1776 America overnight
Be sure to read the rest of this powerful essay at
There is a small but insistent element of the public hereafter referred to as birthers that claims President Obama is not an American citizen, and therefore not qualified to be president.
Most people who want to see the birth certificate are just curious what it is Obama is working so hard to hide.
posted on 07/22/2009 3:28:37 PM PDT
by Always Right
(Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
To: Andy from Chapel Hill
Yes, where are the PUMAs ??????
>Blogosphere goes bonkers over birthers
The blogosphere is
built on and all about memes
Memes don't have to be
true or right or cool
or anything else except useful
or freakishly hot.
The birther meme is usefulto the Left
it makes the Right look
crazy. And some
on the Right
like the birther meme
for book sales and such.
The issue is a good
That is all
posted on 07/22/2009 3:29:55 PM PDT
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