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Blogosphere goes bonkers over ‘birthers’
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 7/22/09 | Linda Feldman

Posted on 07/22/2009 3:18:21 PM PDT by pissant

As if Barack Obama doesn’t have enough going on….

This issue of his birth certificate just isn’t going away. For those of you who usually steer clear of news from the fringe: There is a small but insistent element of the public — hereafter referred to as “birthers” — that claims President Obama is not an American citizen, and therefore not qualified to be president.

The “certification of live birth” issued by the state of Hawaii on Aug. 8, 1961, and readily viewable online is deemed inauthentic. Obama, the claim usually goes, was born in Kenya, his father’s native country.

Enter Liz Cheney, daughter of the former vice president and an increasingly visible conservative on the cable TV circuit.

On Tuesday night, appearing on CNN’s “Larry King,” she was asked about birthers, and did not denounce them outright — a reaction that has set off the left. Left-wing bloggers are now saying she “defended” birthers, which isn’t really true, but that’s become the talking point.

“I think the Democrats have got more crazies than the Republicans do,” Ms. Cheney said. “But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this, I think this issue is, people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas … ”

(snip)

For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution.

(Excerpt) Read more at features.csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifgate; certifigate; colb; larrysinclairslover; lizcheney; obama; truthers; usurper
Another ignorant MSM dingbat passing gas.
1 posted on 07/22/2009 3:18:21 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

That means we’re scaring them big time.


2 posted on 07/22/2009 3:19:58 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.
3 posted on 07/22/2009 3:21:01 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

heehee


4 posted on 07/22/2009 3:21:44 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (-0 retreats, Iraq explodes! NK fires missiles! Iran erupts! China erupts!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record.
5 posted on 07/22/2009 3:22:04 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: pissant

.............His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution.........................

Ah, Ms Feldman, not quite so fast!


6 posted on 07/22/2009 3:22:30 PM PDT by aShepard ("OK Class: repeat after me: "BUSH BAD- OBAMA SAVIOR OF MANKIND")
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To: pissant
claims President Obama is not an American citizen

ARGGGG no no no no. Not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution requires. There is a difference and these screw heads in the media can't even get that part right.

7 posted on 07/22/2009 3:22:46 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: pissant

Of course the write of this article is correct.

That is why Obummer, the Fascist, is displaying his original birth certificate to anyone who asks.

And the million or so he is spending on lawyers? Just to help kick start the economy.


8 posted on 07/22/2009 3:24:56 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: pissant

Call me a Birther, I carry the term with honor.

Thsoe who arent Birthers are sticking their heads in the ground and ignoring the Constitution. In fact they dont care whether Obma is legitimate or not. They have thier black President. Thats enough for them.


9 posted on 07/22/2009 3:24:59 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: pissant
“For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution”

At the time U.S. law was such that Stanley Ann Dunham would not have been old enough to automatically convey U.S. citizenship to a child.

If Obama was not born in the USA he is not a natural born citizen due to the age of his mother (his only U.S. citizen parent).

10 posted on 07/22/2009 3:25:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: pissant

Obama, the claim usually goes, was born in Kenya, his father’s native country.
__________________________________

Hey, LInda...

Prove he wasnt...


11 posted on 07/22/2009 3:25:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: pissant

If there was nothing there, they would ignore the birthers.

Remember Bill Clinton’s vague references to O being “constutionally qualified”

I think this is Hillary’s revenge. She just had to wait until O’s popularity went down.


12 posted on 07/22/2009 3:27:01 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: pissant
As if Barack Obama doesn’t have enough going on….

Ahhhh. Poor thing. Thank goodness his last name isn't Bush or Palin...

13 posted on 07/22/2009 3:27:15 PM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: pissant

His mother was a US citizen
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Yes, but his mother was too young to give Obana legitimacy for citizenship...


14 posted on 07/22/2009 3:27:33 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: pissant

“For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution.”

He is wrong. Very very wrong.


15 posted on 07/22/2009 3:28:21 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out)
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To: All

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Did you enjoy that fantastic Canada Free Press article, ‘Do YOU fear Obama’? The author is live tonight on Plains Radio.

Tune into Plains tonight, July 22 at 8:30 PM CST. Ken Dunbar will have as his guest, renouned Canada Free Press writer, J B Williams. Mr. Williams is the author of the article, ‘Are YOU afraid of Obama?’.
He will discuss the bc issue and predictions of ‘civil war’.

http://www.plainsradio.com/radio.html

From Williams’ article in Canadian Free Press:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
If Americans won’t let leftists have their country, the left will burn it and leave it in ruins. There is no peaceful way out of the corner leftists have placed Americans in… Congress, the courts, even the military brass and law enforcement, will do nothing to save this country. The state run media complex is running interference. The American people are on their own here…
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
Who will save Freedom?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
Orly Taitz, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, all of whom have made defending the Constitution and the American way of life a personal ambition, in the absence of any constitutional leadership.
(Snip)
A precious few, but they exist… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. If the American people fail to get behind these brave few who are seeking peaceful redress, all peaceful options will evaporate as if they never existed. We will return to a pre-1776 America overnight
Be sure to read the rest of this powerful essay at
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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16 posted on 07/22/2009 3:28:35 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: pissant
There is a small but insistent element of the public — hereafter referred to as “birthers” — that claims President Obama is not an American citizen, and therefore not qualified to be president.

Most people who want to see the birth certificate are just curious what it is Obama is working so hard to hide.

17 posted on 07/22/2009 3:28:37 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Hillary’s revenge
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Yes, where are the PUMAs ??????


18 posted on 07/22/2009 3:28:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: pissant
>Blogosphere goes bonkers over ‘birthers’

The blogosphere is
built on and all about memes.
Memes don't have to be

true or right or cool
or anything else except
useful to someone

or freakishly hot.
The birther meme is useful
to the Left because

it makes the Right look
crazy. And some on the Right
like the birther meme

for book sales and such.
The issue is a good meme.
That is all it is.

19 posted on 07/22/2009 3:29:01 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Whatever you say, bloss.


20 posted on 07/22/2009 3:29:55 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

“that claims President Obama is not an American citizen”

Stopped reading there. Yet another libdolt hack who apparently is too stupid, too ignorant, too partisan, or all three to even state this part properly. Hint to you libdolts: The question is whether obama is a NATURAL BORN US citizen as required by the Constitution (check your bathroom toilet paper holder for your copy), not whether he is “an American citizen.”

Sheesh.


21 posted on 07/22/2009 3:31:22 PM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: pissant

To be clear and correct the issue is whether barry is natural born or not.It is NOT as obamites keep trying to say a question of whether he is a citizen or not.
Words matter
His “ vault “ copy would answer that quite quickly.


22 posted on 07/22/2009 3:34:08 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: piytar

You are quicker than I
and still there will be obamites who will spout the citizen crap over and over.


24 posted on 07/22/2009 3:35:32 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: pissant

It’s always the same reflexive responses with the media; completely ignorant of the facts.


25 posted on 07/22/2009 3:41:48 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: Domandred

>>There is a difference and these screw heads in the media can’t even get that part right.<<

.
These screwheads want you to think that they don’t have that part right. They know damn well what it’s all about but they’re only pretending that they don’t know the score.

They are the MSM and are therefore Obama’s army. You can’t expect the MSM to ever question Obama’s background even if they had all the information.


26 posted on 07/22/2009 3:42:41 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
That means we’re scaring them big time.

Yes, as they continue to SCRUB the internet to make it harder to find out the truth.

Here are six examples of deletion or modification that have taken place since approximately July 1, 2009) -- URLs posted below for reference:

-- Please post if you know of more --

1) the entire “Fight the Smears” website has been removed from the internet, and the archive of the website has been removed at the request of the owners from Archive.org:

Current website: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (removed OFF the internet)
Archive.org cache: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (removed per owner request -- verified by Archive.org staff)
Archive (from Google Cache): http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:e8a9IzE5fSsJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate+fight+the+smears&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

2) the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has removed from their website the “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands” pamphlet AND changed their website to reflect that they NOW accept the Certification of Live Birth (the ONLY document Mr. Obama has come forward with to show his birthplace). See more on that story here: Hawaii upgrades ‘certification of live birth’ (requirement):

Current website: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl (changed)
Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl (removed per owner request)
The “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula” pamphlet: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf (removed)
The “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula” pamphlet “View as HTML” archive (Google): http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Veru1NU4Zf0J:hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%2520Ka%2520Aina%2520Hoopulapula.pdf+Loaa+Ka+Aina+Hoopulapula&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

3) the Kapi’olani Medical Center website has removed the letter where Mr. Obama clearly says he was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center:

Current website: http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728 (Obama letter removed)
on Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728 (removed per owner request)
Archived screenshot: http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/Fromarchivedwebsite-ObamaKapiolaniL.jpg

4) the Nov. 5, 2008, Kenya Parliament Official Report, when Kenyan legislators and Assembly witnesses say things such as "having a Kenyan ruling the USA", "President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil  of this country", and "we have a leader of  a great country in this world whose blood is  Kenyan" has been removed:

Current website: http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf (removed)
Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf (removed per owner request)
Archived on Scribed: http://www.scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-2008-51108A

5) the July 9, 2009 Modern Ghana story, that says, "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth" -- has been changed. The last part of the sentence NOW reads, "presidential visit to the continent of his father's birth."

Current website: http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html (changed -- and "the continent of his father's birth" is in BLUE), changed on July 16, 2009.
Archived screenshot: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:eL4lIWE2TxAJ:www.modernghana.com/print/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html+history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

6) the famed Nov. 4, 2008, API story that says, "Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center" was changed to reflect that the hospital of birth is Kapi’olani Medical Center.

Current website: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/04/Sen-Barack-Obama-Democrat-of-Illinois/UPI-33901225647000 (changed). Note at bottom: "This item was corrected July 8, 2009, to fix the name of the hospital where Obama was born. The original item incorrectly identified the facility as Queen's Hospital, an error made by the writer.")
Archived screenshot: http://aconservativeedge.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/sen-barack-obama-democrat-of-illinois-upi-com-cache-queens.jpg?w=1024&h=3574
27 posted on 07/22/2009 3:44:31 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: pissant

Fear. I smell FEAR.


28 posted on 07/22/2009 3:46:49 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: pissant; All

Today has been a very busy day in the press and in the blogosphere on the ‘natural born” citizen Constitutional issue yet almost every single publication reports the issue falsely.

Let me ask - Can a thread be created that lists all of the publications today (or since the Cook story) in one single thread?

Possibly with contact information for each?

I did call Rep. Mike Castle’s D.C. office today and got into it with whoever answered the phone. He kept trying to spout the same false information as well. I kept correcting him and asking him to pass his conversation with me on to Rep. Castle and for Congress to do it’s job and not wait for a Consitutional crisis to develop.

I really think this issue has to be pushed some more. Why aren’t the media doing it’s job? Or Congress? Or the Courts? Are these people really this stupid that they can not get any of the facts of this issue correct?

These media people need to be pressured to tell the truth on this issue and Congress and the Courts need to be pressured to do their jobs.

After seeing these reports today and as to how much false information is being pushed I am becoming more convinved that it needs to be resolved.


29 posted on 07/22/2009 3:50:11 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: BP2

Man this is getting almost surreal, how long can this go on ignored?


30 posted on 07/22/2009 3:50:30 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: pissant
The “certification of live birth” issued by the state of Hawaii on Aug. 8, 1961

Note, please this comes out after the images among them one showing the stamp on the back of the online document image as dated in 2007) are being scrubbed from the web. What timing! Sheesh!

31 posted on 07/22/2009 3:53:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

>That means we’re scaring them big time.

Think that has anything to do with the volume of firearms and ammunition being procured?


32 posted on 07/22/2009 3:56:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pissant
For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution.

For the record the reporterette doesn't know what she's talking about. Federal law that existed at the time Obama was born required that the parent be a citizen of the United States, a resident of the US for at least 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 14 for a child to be a citizen at birth. Obama's mother was 18 at the time he was born, he is not a US citizen by birth.

33 posted on 07/22/2009 4:01:01 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: pissant
“But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this, I think this issue is, people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas … ”

Actually, for the first time ever, we have a president who is openly antagonistic toward the USA, and is deliberately going about the business of destroying us economically and politically.

This is precisely the reason the framers of the Constitution put the "natural born citizen" requirement in the document. The history of Europe had several examples of royalty hopping from country to country, seizing control, to the detriment of all the people. They wished to avoid such in the USA. This treason by the media, the Democrats, and the RINOs should not be lightly forgiven.

34 posted on 07/22/2009 4:02:34 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: OneWingedShark; ZULU; Piquaboy; flat; unkus; Nachum; Free ThinkerNY; brushcop; PhiKapMom; ...

Liberals fear exposure more than anything which includes their lies, their corruption, their treason, and everything in between.


35 posted on 07/22/2009 4:07:09 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

exactly - and theyve trotted out the clinton playbook in trying to discredit them - the closer we get the louder they are - this is good


36 posted on 07/22/2009 4:09:32 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: TheBigIf

>I really think this issue has to be pushed some more.

Indeed so. It needs to be pushed and pushed on until something breaks, IMO.

>Why aren’t the media doing it’s job?

They haven’t been doing their job in DECADES... why should they start now?

>Or Congress?

Because they are so corrupt that they FEAR any light-of-truth. Their inaction is perhaps treasonous.

>Or the Courts?

Because they, too, are corrupt. They refuse to uphold the rights of the people, such as the forced invalidation of the contractually obligated bonds (GM/Chrysler) by the Executive branch. They refuse to uphold the Constitution’s barring against Ex Post Facto law, as evidenced by the AIG-Bonus Tax Act. They refuse to hear any claimant against Barak Obama’s elegibility. Not only do they refuse to hang Murtha for his demonstrable, and public, treason; but they go so far as to deny the right of people to sue him for slander!

>Are these people really this stupid that they can not get any of the facts of this issue correct?

I think we are faced with a cabal of corrupt, lawless traitors and are rapidly approaching the point of bloodshed.


37 posted on 07/22/2009 4:26:46 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Geez Red, I can’t think of anymore obvious “exposure” that all this treason, perversion and Marxism is getting!! Man, there are some brain-dead Americans!


38 posted on 07/22/2009 4:28:05 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

110% affirmative! Also, a better word for birther would be American. We’re Americans!

You wrote-
“That means we’re scaring them big time.”


39 posted on 07/22/2009 4:30:03 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: pissant

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=frank+marshall+davis+is+Obama%27s+real+father+Ann


40 posted on 07/22/2009 4:32:37 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: real_patriotic_american

These words and other types are meant to discourage people. If you notice also they never mention the ‘natural born’ part of the issue at all. They do not question if a person needs two American parents or not. They also never bring up Barry’s adoption and Indonesian ciizenship. Nor do they mention how the left and the democrats did this with McCain or that this movement also was started by democrats. They simply spin the issue and smear.


41 posted on 07/22/2009 4:51:59 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: pissant
Another ignorant MSM dingbat passing gas.

The lack of any critical examination and adherence to leftist talking points is astounding.

42 posted on 07/22/2009 4:55:16 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Venturer
Thsoe who arent Birthers are sticking their heads in the ground and ignoring the Constitution.

I am not a "Birther."

Let me tell you why I am not a "birther."

I believe that Ø is as much a natural born citizen as McLame is.

McLame was born outside of the US. However, for McLame, it's not an issue, as 8 U.S.C. §1401 says he is a natural born citizen. Unfortunately, the same section says that the Bamster is too, because of the citizenship and length of residency of his mother. Regardless if he was born in Honolulu or Mombasa.

That's my opinion and you can either agree with it or not. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But keep reading, please. That's not the reason why I posted this.

In fact they dont care whether Obma is legitimate or not.

First point: Spell check is included in Firefox. You ought to consider switching browsers.

Second point: it really doesn't matter whether you're right or I'm right here. The hard, cold reality is that the 111th Congress wouldn't care if he was born in Outer Mongolia as the Child of Chairman Mao and Winnie Madikizela-Mandela. Shoot, he could be an artificially generated alien life form and the 111th Congress wouldn't care.

Also, with the second point: it's not like the courts are trying to discern the truth either. How many court cases have been summarily dismissed now? Two? Three?

So it doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things.

So why did I post this apparently antagonistic response?

Because, regardless of which way the truth works out, Bam-Bam is hiding something.

IF he was born in Mombasa (or wherever), he is stuck in a lie that he could have easily dealt with long ago, but one that will now put a HUGE amount of egg on a whole lot of faces.

IF he was born in Honolulu, as asserted, there is NO reason for him not to have asked to have the microfilm of his "original" birth certificate released (the one with the footprints and OB signature on it). It would be easy to resolve the situation for 99.5% of all "birthers" (except the Alex Jones type of conspiracy nuts). And it would go away. Why spend over a million dollars to suppress the truth?

The only answer I can consider is that there is something on that "original" birth certificate that he doesn't want revealed to the world. Don't know what it is. But it has got to be significant, else he would have shut us all up.

So, although I'm not a "birther," I want those of you who ARE birthers to keep pressing on. (And you will likely hear me asking the "where's the Birth Certificate" question too) Not because I think it matters on a legal basis, but I think, on a political basis, it is going to be HUGE when it actually comes out!

43 posted on 07/22/2009 4:58:22 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: pissant
His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution.

This is just flat-out wrong. If his father was not a US citizen then he is NOT a natural born citizen, that is, a citizen who naturally owes allegiance to no other country. If one parent is not a US citizen then his allegiance would be naturally divided between the father's country and the US. It is this divided allegiance that the Constitutional provision is designed to prohibit.

44 posted on 07/22/2009 4:59:22 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: meadsjn
This treason by the media, the Democrats, and the RINOs should not be lightly forgiven.

All these groups vouched for Obama and told the ''birthers'' to sit down and STFU. They know they have as much to lose as Obama does if he is ultimately exposed as ineligible to be president. Their panicky suppression of this issue and dismissal of anyone raising it as racist, fringe, kooky, weird, etc. means it's having an effect. We need to keep the pressure on!

An excellent place to start would be to push for state laws requiring a certified long form birth certificate to be submitted for anyone running for president or vice president to get their name on the ballot. It will just take ONE state to demand such proof to make things very interesting...

45 posted on 07/22/2009 5:02:36 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: TheBigIf

I hear you and agree with you 110% In other words, they LIE!

You wrote-
“These words and other types are meant to discourage people. If you notice also they never mention the ‘natural born’ part of the issue at all. They do not question if a person needs two American parents or not. They also never bring up Barry’s adoption and Indonesian ciizenship. Nor do they mention how the left and the democrats did this with McCain or that this movement also was started by democrats. They simply spin the issue and smear.”


46 posted on 07/22/2009 5:32:50 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: markomalley

We are pretty much in agreement. I have thought all along that he is probably a Natural Born citizen. I think his daddy is Frank Davis. So whether you admit it or not. Your ARE a birther the same as I.

Certainly there is a reason he doesnt want it shown , he isnt spending all that money for nothing.

No matter what the reason , or your reason for wanting to see the Birth Certificate we are all burthers in that we dont believe this loying sack of doo.


47 posted on 07/22/2009 5:39:11 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

We are pretty much in agreement. I have thought all along that he is probably a Natural Born citizen. I think his daddy is Frank Davis. So whether you admit it or not. Your ARE a birther the same as I.

Certainly there is a reason he doesnt want it shown , he isnt spending all that money for nothing.

No matter what the reason , or your reason for wanting to see the Birth Certificate we are all burthers in that we dont believe this lying sack of doo.


48 posted on 07/22/2009 5:39:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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