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Should illegal immigrants receive in-state tuition? (Texas)
Austin American Statesman ^ | 7.25.2009 | Melissa B. Taboada

Posted on 07/25/2009 5:41:10 AM PDT by wolfcreek

Asked whether the state can continue to grant in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said in an opinion Friday that there's not enough legal precedent to answer the question with certainty.

Abbott said the sections of the Texas Education Code that permit illegal immigrants to pay resident tuition at state colleges and universities could conflict with federal law. But he added, "Given the paucity of judicial precedent, we cannot predict with certainty that a court would so find."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: fedlaw; illegals; tuition
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To: mtrott

AS far as I know, we Texans never got asked whether we thought it was a good idea. (never came up for a vote either)


21 posted on 07/25/2009 6:07:32 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: wolfcreek

What’s the point?

There is no benefit to Texas taxpayers, as these folks won’t be able to put their education to use for the citizens of Texas.

They’re illegal. So they can’t legally work in the U.S.

Seems simple enough to me.


22 posted on 07/25/2009 6:10:21 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: pnh102; devane617
Texans should really consider replacing their AG for saying such a silly thing.

How so? Sounds like a pretty accurate, wise assessment.

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said in an opinion Friday that there's not enough legal precedent to answer the question with certainty...."Given the paucity of judicial precedent, [and an activist judiciary,] we cannot predict with certainty that a court would so find."

Emphasis and commentary added!

Sometimes the job of a presecutor is to not bring cases that would set unwanted precedent.

If the courts were likely to rule on the law, and common sense, then it might be less problematic!

23 posted on 07/25/2009 6:10:27 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: mewzilla
IOWs, like most of the immigration guidelines, they're not being followed. I'm so ashamed this goes on here in Texas.
24 posted on 07/25/2009 6:11:39 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: wolfcreek
Note to Melissa B. Taboada:

I can't believe a thinking person would even ask that question.

25 posted on 07/25/2009 6:12:16 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Smile you're on Janet's Candid Camera!)
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To: wolfcreek

That that question is even ASKED, is yet more evidence of how far the PC rot and madness has expanded.

It will be the DEATH OF THIS COUNTRY — if we’re not already dead and don’t have enough sense to lie down.

My God, when will people with common sense rise up and do more than the Howard Beal routine?


26 posted on 07/25/2009 6:14:30 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: MeekOneGOP; ValerieTexas; txhurl; DrewsDad; HiJinx; SwinneySwitch; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; Xenalyte; ..

I say, HELL NO.


27 posted on 07/25/2009 6:17:52 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: wolfcreek

Ummmmm, no...

That was easy...Next...

BTW, Greg...Not much in the way of legal precident until you just go ahead and cut off the spigot...

You would find a lot more support if you do, than those who would protest your action in this state...

Those that protest could be asked if it is right to reward illegal behavior...Sometimes the obvious is refreshing...


28 posted on 07/25/2009 6:18:16 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: wolfcreek

Sorry, but they ALL need to pack up and head back south. WE CAN’T SURVIVE THIS IDIOCY.

My niece is an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a FLAMING, BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL. (She
stopped catching babies and went into research when her malpractice premiums exceeded her annual earnings.)

Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in San Diego.

It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the slave wage GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours in a row with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.

Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those “anchor babies” who, under the current — and COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS —interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported . And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.

(NOTE: For a short, Reader’s Digest version of the ORIGINAL intent of the 14th Amendment, go here: http://pocusa.info/NLArchive22_14thAmndt.html . For a more comprehensive explanation of the events surrounding the amendment, go here: http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html )

Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my niece was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.

And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she’s now a LOOONNNNG way from Haaaavaaaaaad.

And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.

Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be shuffled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.

Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy just out of the USAF.

As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.

The illegals have been using the emergency rooms of our hospitals for their health-care, almost always at no charge to them. That cost is either spread over other users or the taxpayers. We have seen a national epidemic of hospital closings due to their insolvency, much of it caused by the burden of trying to render care to PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, denying care to native-born citizens who normally pay their bills and their taxes.

Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.

It’s time we stopped paying for those who were not.


29 posted on 07/25/2009 6:18:44 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Should illegals receive free in-state tuition?
Absolutely!

As soon as they go back to their country of origin, their home state should give them free tuition.

They can send us a postcard when they graduate.


This one had me laughing out loud. Good one!


30 posted on 07/25/2009 6:19:14 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Control the teleprompter, control the agenda!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Ditto!


31 posted on 07/25/2009 6:26:44 AM PDT by luvie (A Free Iraq is possible because of the presidency, policies and patriotism of George W Bush!!)
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To: mtrott

Your thought process is tooooooooooo clear.

What part of I L L E G A L do people not understand? If I break into my neighbors house I L L E G A L L Y (nor permission from the owner) AM I not subject to arrest?

The only people that can’t figure this one out are the fence sitters (they are worthless anyway) and the politicians that want votes, but are trying to figure the “odds” (They are losers as well)

Whe have a very long line of dirtbags in the latter .. many in the Republican party.


32 posted on 07/25/2009 6:31:26 AM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: al_c

A “good man” DOES NOT have espouse THIS bad an idea.

This crap is straight out of Saul Alinsky’s “Handbook for Radicals.” A prime technique for bringing down an existing social order is to OVERLOAD and OVERWHELM the governmental systems, creating economic and social chaos. Because we have NOT sent home 20 million illegals, WE NOW HAVE THE FORMER AND ARE CLOSING IN ON THE LATTER. BOTH parties have been applying those methods but Obama, who studied those methods under Bill Ayers while a so-called “community organizer,” is using ALL the tools in the radical toolkit. If it continues much longer, YOUR kids are doomed to life as serfs in a nation that will more resemble Nazi Germany or the old USSR than the America the Founders ATTEMPTED to leave us.


33 posted on 07/25/2009 6:32:54 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: wolfcreek

That’s what I love about attorneys....”legal precedent” is more important than simple RIGHT AND WRONG!!!


34 posted on 07/25/2009 6:40:56 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: wolfcreek

I know legal non-US citizens here on visas paying a ton of money to go to college. Maybe I should tell them to skip the legality and fly from Europe to Mexico or Canada and sneak in and go to school cheap.


36 posted on 07/25/2009 6:56:12 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: wolfcreek

If it is illegal for someone to walk down the street, how can it be legal for that same person to attend college?


37 posted on 07/25/2009 7:04:35 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Obama hasn't just open Pandora's box, he has thrown us inside and closed the lid.)
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To: wolfcreek

I say no. We already educate them for free through high school. If they really want to go on, they will find a way.

Here in California, we feed illegal alien children breakfast and lunch at school for free. Their parents don’t even have to feed them three meals a day. The schools fight to keep students in class every day so they’ll eat the free meals; that way we get our money from the government. Our school has even had lockdowns to keep students from walking out before lunch so we won’t lose our government funding for that day.

If a high school girl becomes pregnant, we allow her to stay in class, provide her meals, give her free prenatal care, and give her free daycare on campus after the baby is born.

It won’t surprise you to learn that we have a large percentage of teen pregnancies on our campus.


38 posted on 07/25/2009 7:51:16 AM PDT by Melian ("An unexamined life is not worth living." ~Socrates)
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To: wolfcreek

Italian Poster

39 posted on 07/25/2009 7:59:59 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: duckman

If not legal, why are they here? Send them back to wherever. An illegals should receive no benefits of any kind, period.


40 posted on 07/25/2009 8:11:11 AM PDT by mulligan
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