Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.
This is the part I don't get: if Barack's mom was a U.S. citizen, then he's a U.S. citizen. Doesn't matter if he was born on the Moon.
Obama’s mom hadn't been in the country long enough to qualify her son for American citizenship if he was born outside the country.
This is the part I don’t get: if Barack’s mom was a U.S. citizen, then he’s a U.S. citizen. Doesn’t matter if he was born on the Moon.
Additionally, it would be nice to know the name of the father on the birth certificate. If it was indeed Obama Sr., he is instantly a British citizen also by birth.
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In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
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“a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.
“This is the part I don’t get: if Barack’s mom was a U.S. citizen, then he’s a U.S. citizen. Doesn’t matter if he was born on the Moon.”
Dear boy, most ANYONE can become a citizen of the USA,
It happens every day for people that never had any past relations with the US.
It has nothing to do with “NATURAL BORN” citizen, which is required for being POTUS.
I am amazed that a FReeper for 10 years would not know this.
DB
Not quite on your analysis. It’s not that his mother had not been in the U.S. long enough. It’s that under the laws in 1961 if both parents were not American citizens and the one that was an American citizen was under 18, the child would have to be born in the U.S. if the child was to be considered a natural born U.S. citizen. Obama’s mother (Anne Dunham) was 16 or 17 I believe so Obama would have to be born in the U.S. in order to be a natural born American citizen.
The issue is not whether he’s a US citizen. No one disputes that. The issue is whether he’s a natural-born US citizen.
This is the part I don't get: if Barack’s mom was a U.S. citizen, then he's a U.S. citizen. Doesn't matter if he was born on the Moon.
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Actually the laws at the time make your statement wrong. If only one of your parents was a citizen at the time and they only spent less than 5 years in the US after the age of 16 then you are not born an American citizen.
Since Kenya was part of Briton when Obama was born and his father was Kenyan, that also made his father a British subject and a British citizen. That also makes his children British citizens.
If all that weren’t bad enough, his stepfather adopted him and took him to Indonesia and he became an Indonesian citizen. Although not Supreme Court tested dual citizenship generally disqualifies one as natural born.
I don't know where he was born. It is disgusting to me that the matter is not open for people to know. We have a President leading us that has far too many secrets.
Not according to the law in place at the time. Barrack's mother was 18 yrs old. For her to convey citizenship, since the father was not a citizen, she would have had to live withing the territory of the United States for 5 consecutive years after her 14th birthday. She did not meet that requirement.
I hope you are joking. Please do not tell me that you are serious.
While some people might think that simply means born in the USA, that is in doubt as was pointed out in a Supreme Court case, which then declined to resolve the issue as it was not germain to that particular case.
It is agreed that children born in the USA, and subject to USA jurisdiction, whose parents are both citizens are natural born citizens as described in Article 1 section2 of the constitution and eligible to be president at age 35.
Beyond that, it is murky. In 1790 Congress attempted to define persons born abroad to parents who are both citizens as “natural born” citizens (unless the father had never been a resident of the US).
Another law in 1795 used only the word citizen. Several US supreme court decisions known as Insular cases apparently mucked things up again.
The state department foreign affairs manual simply states that the 1790 statute is non operational, and that it has never been definitively determined by court.
They further state that “the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a person for constitutional purposes.”
So as I said murky from a legal standpoint. The fact that Obama’s father was never a citizen of the United States is more of a dis-qualifier as far as I can tell. Not to mention his early childhood socialization in other countries.
It would be nice to have the definition of “natural born” determined, but it is not a settled issue apparently.