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Pa. police: New law needed after fatal beer brawl (Phillies Game)
AP ^ | July 28, 2009 | NA

Posted on 07/28/2009 6:52:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The police commissioner has called for a city law requiring bars to report fights to 911 following a fatal melee sparked by a spilled beer at a pub next to the Philadelphia Phillies' stadium

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: fans; phillies
What is it with Philadelphia? I was watching this game, which was delayed for 10 minutes after some idiot was trying to shine a laser into the St. Louis batters eyes.

Between the Eagles, Flyers and Phillies fans, they make the city look bad.

1 posted on 07/28/2009 6:52:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: buccaneer81

We must have a new law everytime our leaders see some new twist on criminal behavior.


2 posted on 07/28/2009 6:54:44 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: buccaneer81
Crap. I was hoping the brawl involved Sgt. Crowley and "Professor" Gates.

Note to DHS lurker: Please notice I did not include that other guy. The non-American.

3 posted on 07/28/2009 6:54:48 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: buccaneer81
anarchy rears it's ugly head.. during the past 6 months, I have felt and seen more rage and hopelessness in people than I have seen in my life.

obamanation is working for him...Freedom in America is fleeing... now we have to pass a new law everytime someone does something that years ago, would not have happened nor been allowed.

4 posted on 07/28/2009 6:55:05 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: buccaneer81

Wasn’t there already a law against beating people to death? I guess since that didn’t work we have to pass another law, eh?


5 posted on 07/28/2009 6:55:12 PM PDT by squidly
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To: Texas Eagle
Crap. I was hoping the brawl involved Sgt. Crowley and "Professor" Gates.

Stay tuned. That's going to happen Thursday.

6 posted on 07/28/2009 6:55:50 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: buccaneer81

They like to fight? I say rope off an area let em go at it.


7 posted on 07/28/2009 6:56:50 PM PDT by Selmore (The torch of liberty is hot.It warms those who hold it high.It burns those who try to extinguish it.)
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To: squidly
Wasn’t there already a law against beating people to death? I guess since that didn’t work we have to pass another law, eh?

I'm on your side. My complaint is the attitude of Philly sports fans (and I grew up in Boston, not the most stable sports environment.)

8 posted on 07/28/2009 6:58:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: buccaneer81

The commissioner is a moron.

People have been getting into bar fights since bars were invented. Millions of people have got involved in bar fights and few have been killed. It goes with the territory where alcohol is served to the public.

Making it automatically a crime is absurd, just because a single individual was unfortunately killed.


9 posted on 07/28/2009 6:58:26 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: buccaneer81

Self-control, brothers (and sisters). Not new laws.

I once had beer poured onto my head by a fan of a certain football team that shall remain nameless in order to avoid flame wars. Part of me wanted to deck the guy, but I refrained from doing so, even though I probably could have kicked his ass.


10 posted on 07/28/2009 6:59:27 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: I_Like_Spam

(sigh)

Reason #634 to stay here in Delaware County and stockpile more ammo...


11 posted on 07/28/2009 6:59:43 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: buccaneer81

The police commissioner has called for a city law requiring bars to report fights to 911 following a fatal melee sparked by a spilled beer at a pub next to the Philadelphia Phillies’ stadium

Well, holy cow! I agree. We must have a law requiring bars to report fights that result in deaths caused by a spilled beer. The killer should be required to buy the bar a round and swab the spilled guts off the floor. And don’t eat the grapes rolling around the floor, them’s gouged out eyeballs.


12 posted on 07/28/2009 7:01:03 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Texas Eagle

I’m sorry for saying this, but the thought of Gates getting beaten up is bringing a smile to my face.


13 posted on 07/28/2009 7:01:28 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: JillValentine
I once had beer poured onto my head by a fan of a certain football team that shall remain nameless

From my experience, three guesses:

Eagles

Raiders

Browns

14 posted on 07/28/2009 7:01:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: buccaneer81
Speaking only on my own personal experiences, Philly fans are horrible. The worst I've ever encountered. Remember, this is the city that booed Mike Schmidt and Santa Claus, and voted 400 times for 0bama in one precinct before the polls ever opened.

The ‘City of Brotherly Love’ is anything but. They are an angry lot, who acts like idiots whether they win on lose.

15 posted on 07/28/2009 7:01:52 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: bareford101
during the past 6 months, I have felt and seen more rage and hopelessness in people than I have seen in my life.

Oh man, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet.

16 posted on 07/28/2009 7:03:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Only feces and dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: airborne

Agreed. I wore a Bruins jersey to a game at the Spectrum in 1981. I survived, with spit all over me.


17 posted on 07/28/2009 7:04:09 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: buccaneer81
there was a stabbing death at Angel stadium at their home opener it seems to me there was another death after another game but it was i believe at San Diego's. and at the dodger stadium there was shooting when a off duty police officer found two guys vandalizing his car after the game one or both of those perps assumed room temperature. to much drinking and the mentality of some fans are going to ruin it for everyone
18 posted on 07/28/2009 7:04:23 PM PDT by mt tom (WE)
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To: Centurion2000

I’m afraid you are right. desperate people do.....


19 posted on 07/28/2009 7:04:45 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: buccaneer81
Yep, you got it.
(Raiders)
20 posted on 07/28/2009 7:04:55 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: JillValentine
I’m sorry for saying this, but the thought of Gates getting beaten up is bringing a smile to my face.

She's just kidding, Mr. DHS Lurker. Just having a few laughs. Ha, ha. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

21 posted on 07/28/2009 7:04:57 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Centurion2000

Hear, hear. Just wait until the end of the year, when unemployment benefits have run out, people can’t run up their credit cards any more, can’t buy and don’t receive Christmas presents, and scrape just to heat their homes.

We’ve been buying ammo like there’s no tomorrow, but I’m beginning to wonder if I need to look into kevlar as well—like lining my door panels and rear seat with it.


22 posted on 07/28/2009 7:08:09 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Maybe we should send Gates some free Eagles tickets and a...Giants jersey, yeah, that’s the ticket (wink).


23 posted on 07/28/2009 7:09:50 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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...Phillies fans, they make the city look bad

LOL! Are you crazy?
Philly is rotten to the core. - One Godforesaken cesspool.

Look bad? It is bad.


24 posted on 07/28/2009 7:09:59 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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“they make the city look bad.”

The city IS bad.

The cops blatantly wait at the borders for suburban drivers to give tickets to, because the city residents don’t pay.

If you get a ticket in a distal corner of Philly, you have to drive 10 miles to traffic court where there is no parking, where you will be told the judge isn’t holding court, then they will take your info and a card imprint, fine you without your appearance, maybe tell you maybe not, F up your credit, put out warrants, impound your car, possibly just assault you because you are white, etc.

Philadelphia should be gassed. Only idiots live there, only idiots shop there, only idiots work there, only idiots have businesses there, only idiots drive through there.

The sole purpose for the suburban police is to scare the Philly criminals away. The suburban cops HAVE TO stop cars full of city dwellers, otherwise they would come out in hoards.

Got ammo?


25 posted on 07/28/2009 7:10:06 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Texas Eagle
Crap. I was hoping the brawl involved Sgt. Crowley and "Professor" Gates.

Well, you take a cop (Crowley), a liberally educated,racist, black man ( Gates), an egocentric megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur (0bama), and get them together. Now mix in "a few beers" while the talk over their disagreements.

What could go wrong?? ;^)

26 posted on 07/28/2009 7:11:16 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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“They are an angry lot, who acts like idiots whether they win on lose. “

He said Philly, not L.A. or Detroit. At least Philly builds court houses right in the stadiums.

That means the intention of handling crime is there and after all isn’t that what really counts? Intention?


27 posted on 07/28/2009 7:12:14 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: buccaneer81
Philly and Frisco

Sodom and Gomorrah

28 posted on 07/28/2009 7:13:30 PM PDT by ryan71 (We're in deep kimchi!)
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To: Born to Conserve

LOL! That’s so true about the suburban cops. As for the city, I’ve turned down jobs with a 25% raise simply because of the locals. I’ve told recruiters point-blank that under no circumstances will I take a job in the city limits. I never venture there anymore — although I’ve got a concealed-carry permit just in case.

Ammo? It’s holding our house down.


29 posted on 07/28/2009 7:13:57 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: buccaneer81

“The police commissioner has called for a city law

requiring bars to report fights to 911 following a fatal melee
sparked by a spilled beer at a pub next to the Philadelphia Phillies’ stadium”

So this liberal shithead cop wants a law to require bars
to report fatalities caused by spilled beers.
Philadelpia is more wierd than a whale in your bathtub.

This stupid cop needs to be hauled off to the asylum.


30 posted on 07/28/2009 7:14:05 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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One case makes a law?

Are they saying that there's a loophole that lived on for *centuries* undetected?

or are they trying to cast behavioral norms into law (good luck with that!) Or are there more rights going down the tube (State Power forever increases)?

Doesn't matter -- the sheeple will buy it anyway.

31 posted on 07/28/2009 7:15:22 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by regime of murder)
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One case makes a law?

I agree with you. But the behaviour of Philly sports fans over the past three decades has led to this.

32 posted on 07/28/2009 7:17:31 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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LOL but Giant Jersey not necessary. Just send him a Santa outfit.

Philly the only city that boo-ed and threw bottles at good old St. Nick. On national TV no less!

“Merry F-in Christmas, now get out of here you bum.”

33 posted on 07/28/2009 7:19:45 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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That means the intention of handling crime is there and after all isn’t that what really counts? Intention?

Well, apparently it is. At least for liberals. And Philly is full of 'em.

Small comfort for the dead guy though.

34 posted on 07/28/2009 7:20:13 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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But the behaviour of Philly sports fans over the past three decades has led to this.

Well, if their behavior over the past three decades was completely lawful, I guess all of us just have to accept the result.

If self-control is no longer any basis for behavior, we deserve the prison state growing around us.

35 posted on 07/28/2009 7:23:32 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by regime of murder)
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To: JillValentine
I probably could have kicked his ass.

I bet you could have too. Sounds like you were probably sober anyway.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Oakland?
36 posted on 07/28/2009 7:23:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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great points Wind. it is all reaching the peak. damn near everything points to all hell breaking lose very soon unless something that I can’t even begin to imagine what, occurs.


37 posted on 07/28/2009 7:30:27 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: smokingfrog

I probably could have even if he’d been sober. *flexes her biceps* :-)

As for the other question, see post 20. :-) again.


38 posted on 07/28/2009 7:33:58 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: buccaneer81

We have to get out of this trend that anytime something bad happens, “we need a new law” to address it.

This is totally covered under existing laws, I am sure more than enough calls to 911 were made from the bar patrons anyway. It’s just ridiculous. All this kind of stupid law will do is fine the barowner if he or she forgets to make the call, and I’m sure they’d also make it so the liquor license goes away too.


39 posted on 07/28/2009 8:03:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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We have to get out of this trend that anytime something bad happens, “we need a new law” to address it.

Remember "Gizmo's Law" ? guy punts a dog and now there's a new law.

I'm not making light of the subjects but sh*t happens no matter how "omnipotent" our gub'mint likes to believe that it is.

40 posted on 07/28/2009 8:08:59 PM PDT by NativeSon (got myself a Mrs on June 19, 2009)
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and I’m sure they’d also make it so the liquor license goes away too.

I can see that as the agenda. There are only so many liquor licenses by law in most jurisdictions.

41 posted on 07/28/2009 8:13:50 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: JSteff

Get your facts straight. No one threw bottles at Santa Claus and the game wasn’t on national TV the incident happened in the late 60’s at Frankln Field. It wasn’t even noticed until Howard Cosell mentioned it as a throwaway line on a highlight show the next day. It was the last home game of a lousy year and all the fans were very angry at an inept management. In fact the “Santa” was a skinny guy they pulled out of the crowd at the last minute when the original halftime plans went array. “Santa” was also a 22 year old guy who had been drinking all day and who was playfully encouraging the snowballs and tossing some back at the crowd. In fact he, and the people there thought it was funny when it happened. There was no ill intent.

Look I’m not saying we Philly fans always do the right thing, but please let’s stop bringing up this overblown incident thatgets brought up everytime something happens at a Philly sports game


42 posted on 07/28/2009 8:51:28 PM PDT by crushkerry
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