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Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
WND ^ | 7/28/09 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by pissant

Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.

The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birtherloons; birthers; certifigate; colb; freepersareloons; freepersarenutcases; hotair; iloveobama; imom; larrysinclairslover; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obroma; youlooneyidiots; youlostgetoveritass
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To: freedomconservationist; jwparkerjr
"One stack of them would be at one hospital or office, and another would be at another hospital or office, meaning that each would turn in the certificates out of order. Surely there are some missing as well."

LOL! Many years ago hospitals gave you a Certificate with all the information about your baby on it even the cute little foot print. But that was never a legal Birth Certificate. All Legal Birth Certificates are issued from the County Health Department of the County you were born in.

151 posted on 07/28/2009 10:00:31 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences.)
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To: musicman

The clue is simple: That is the bleed through from the stamp on the other side of the document. It validates that the document has the stamp on the other side... this one, which was photographed by factcheck:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg


152 posted on 07/28/2009 10:02:05 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: BP2

BUMP


153 posted on 07/28/2009 10:04:27 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom; tc45a
I would imagine, that with only two hospitals; and the population in HI not being that dense, that BC would be pretty rare (a couple dozen a week).

I found data sugegsting about 18,000 births per year in Hawaii in 1960. Even discounting for births on the other islands, and for the army hospital, there were probably closer to a hundred births each week in the hospital. Oddly enough, one of the sources I consulted turned out to be written by the very woman whose twins started this thread:

The peopling of Hawaiʻi By Eleanor C. Nordyke

154 posted on 07/28/2009 10:10:57 PM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: pissant

One missing piece - What is the process for ordinary citizens to request their own original birth certificate? say for Hawaii?

Press Secty Gibbs makes it sound like they already did this. But that is the COLB. Maybe someone should fill out the request form. Or is Obama admin right that they ‘cant’ make that request???

Maybe the birthers could start a craze of people asking for this - FOR THEMSELVES - since they cannot legally ask for Obama’s. Then send it in to their Rep in Congress. “Here’s mine. Where’s Obama’s?”

If there is a way to request this, I am sure it could/should be done for BHO. I say this as a confirmed skeptic of birther-ism and believer that Obama was born in Honolulu.


155 posted on 07/28/2009 10:11:40 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: concerned about politics

The COLB that Obama shared is the exact same form any other requestor of birth records will get from state of Hawaii.


156 posted on 07/28/2009 10:14:03 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: concerned about politics

Actually, the liar-in-chief has not said that, factcheck said that, said that they handled his original birth certificate and photographed it. The affirmative action fraud doll laways leaves himself plausible deniability. On the other hand, Gibbs(!) did say that the White House had placed a copy of his original birth certificate on line and Polarik has shown that was a fraudulent exhibit! I don’t actually think anyone in the past couple of years has seen an actual BC fro the bastard.


157 posted on 07/28/2009 10:14:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: pissant

Did these twins names show up in the news paper birth announcements?


158 posted on 07/28/2009 10:14:51 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: concerned about politics; WVNan
“Only the foreign born certifications are void of facts, because they don't have verifiable facts.”

I stood with WVNan, I couldn't see clearly exactly what you were claiming, but now it's evident.

In good ol’ country boy terms - Obama has stepped in a pile, but we caught him before he could wipe his boots off.

159 posted on 07/28/2009 10:16:17 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: pissant

As I detailed here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2300687/posts , anyone sharing a COMMON ANCESTOR (family tree) with Obama can get his birth certificate. That person by operation of law has a tangible and direct interest in it. All that is needed is for someone out there that shares a common ancestor with Obama to step forward and get the birth certificate.


160 posted on 07/28/2009 10:17:08 PM PDT by rumrunner
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To: joejm65

Greater love hath no man, than what Shep Smith has for Shep Smith.


161 posted on 07/28/2009 10:17:58 PM PDT by matthew fuller (FUBHO)
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To: WVNan

What is astonishingly new is the Hawaiian file which shows Ann or Toots or Stanley coul dhave applied for and gotten an Hawaiian short form BC fro Barry even if not born in the US. He would not have an HI long form, only a short form like he supposedly presented to factcheck.


162 posted on 07/28/2009 10:18:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: RummyChick
there is a poster here that recently made a post about how things were stamped and I didn’t save the guy’s name. He talked to the people there about his own COLB
there were three ways that things were stamped depending on which stamping machine they used, etc.
I don’t remember the details. This may have been due to that.
I wish I could remember the thread that was on.

I think the poster you are speaking of is BulletBobCo. See post #37 on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302436/posts

163 posted on 07/28/2009 10:18:42 PM PDT by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: Spunky

Aww, ya had to go and pop the n00bs’ bubbles! They thought they had a new excuse for the obamessiah.


164 posted on 07/28/2009 10:21:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cynwoody

“Air travel was much more pleasant then than now”

It was also a lot more expensive. Obama Sr could not afford to fly and relied on grants just to fly for purposes of his education. Neither could Obama’s Mom afford international travel.

This is one reason the ‘vacation birth in Kenya’ story is non-credible and a fairy tale.


165 posted on 07/28/2009 10:22:37 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: rumrunner

Do you know if anyone here has his family tree handy?


166 posted on 07/28/2009 10:22:56 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: truthkeeper

She was remembering comments made by Danae on the ‘African Problem’ thread.


167 posted on 07/28/2009 10:25:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cynwoody; Jedidah
Air travel was much more pleasant then than now (unless you have your own Gulfstream, that is).

The DC-8 was the first commercial aircraft out of Hawaii (to LA) in March 1960. They later added the 707 in Sept 1960. Both had a service ceiling altitude in the mid-30s (not that great to avoid turbulence). Also, 36,000' (DC-8 service ceiling) translates into 8,000-9,000' pressurized cabin altitude.

Ever flown with an infant? They can't clear their own ears from the change in pressurization. Nursing or bottle feeding may help, but there's no guarantees, and I can't see Ann being that savvy with babies and airline travel.

Ever change a diaper in an aircraft? It's not fun in a B-747 -- it sure as hell would not be a hoot for an 18-year-old girl to change a diaper on a DC-8 or 707 going to LA from Hawaii.

The bus ride from LA to Seattle wouldn't be a joy ride either ...

168 posted on 07/28/2009 10:26:03 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; All

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169 posted on 07/28/2009 10:27:45 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks for the info.


170 posted on 07/28/2009 10:30:11 PM PDT by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: freedomconservationist
"Just so that nobody gets confused: the order of the certificates means nothing. The numbers are only there for unique identification. One stack of them would be at one hospital or office, and another would be at another hospital or office, meaning that each would turn in the certificates out of order. Surely there are some missing as well."

Allegedly, Obama and the Nordyke twins were all born at the same hospital: Kapiolani Medical Center

171 posted on 07/28/2009 10:30:51 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: concerned about politics

Didn’t his grandma flatly state that he was born in Kenya?


172 posted on 07/28/2009 10:32:35 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: pissant
information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

Since everyone else in America can provide this information (including John McCain) I don't know why Obama can't.

173 posted on 07/28/2009 10:34:37 PM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: pissant

That's exactly what it's supposed to look like. Like mine, or yours, or ...

174 posted on 07/28/2009 10:37:52 PM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: Windflier

Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding!!!!


175 posted on 07/28/2009 10:39:06 PM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: hoosiermama; lainie; Brad's Gramma; BurbankKarl

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2303249/posts?page=169#169

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176 posted on 07/28/2009 10:41:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: hoosiermama

I’m your huckleberry.


177 posted on 07/28/2009 10:41:21 PM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: matthew fuller

I think Shep Smith may have a greater love for another man. ;-)


178 posted on 07/28/2009 10:50:31 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero!)
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To: GVnana

fr mail


179 posted on 07/28/2009 10:53:49 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: pissant
Ok, that's it!!!!!!!! I want to see that damn black copy of his and I want to see it NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is ridiculous.
180 posted on 07/28/2009 10:56:19 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people the people to remain silent.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; pissant

The Nordyke twins are the key to this, IMHO. Where is their birth announcement in either Hawaiian paper?

If a copy of the paper turns up with the Nordyke announcement where the Obama announcement is, this will blow wide open.


181 posted on 07/28/2009 10:57:10 PM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: GVnana

“I’m your huckleberry.”

I didn’t mean to impose on your reply,
but I still love that phrase to this day.

I used it once, before knocking a guy stone cold out!


182 posted on 07/28/2009 11:03:04 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: RummyChick

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302120/posts


183 posted on 07/28/2009 11:05:37 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: BP2

Suppose you have a stack of face-up records you have to process. Earliest on the bottom, latest on the top. Unless the process for issuing certificates/certifications requires you to issue numbers based on the date, it’s understandable (to me) that an earlier date could have a later number.

Another way I view this same info is that a form was filled out and submitted after the birth of the twins. Someone on an earlier thread suggested that, given that articles exist claiming Barack was born in both hospitals, Barack’s mother submitted a form days after Barack’s birth—which was in _neither_ hospital.


184 posted on 07/28/2009 11:08:06 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BP2

Travel from Seattle to Hawaii when she supposedly was enrolled in college in Seattle would have been no small feat, either.


185 posted on 07/28/2009 11:09:08 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Markos33

Yes, I do. But I don’t have Uhbummer’s mothers available.


186 posted on 07/28/2009 11:10:18 PM PDT by matthew fuller (FUBHO)
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To: Frantzie
Move Glenn Beck to Sheppy’s time slot, put Lou Dobbs in Glenn's old time slot. Send Sheppy to the Guam Bureau.
187 posted on 07/28/2009 11:16:06 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (There is nothing wrong with the Government that 552 bullets couldn't cure...)
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To: BradyLS

The BCs are issued from the health dept. The submission requesting a BC for a child not born in a hospital or in another country or state is submitted to the health department, also. They would generate different documents, but they would be handled as a pile to be processed.


188 posted on 07/28/2009 11:17:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: pissant

ping for later


189 posted on 07/28/2009 11:17:44 PM PDT by babygene
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To: rolling_stone

I still want someone to explain to me how the little Obamination could have gotten into the US or Canada from Kenya without a BC or being on his mother’s passport?
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Canada, back then, a piece of cake. How do you know he DIDN’T have a Canadian or Kenyan BC and how do you know he WASN’T on his mother’s passport. Nobody has been able to see her passport.


190 posted on 07/28/2009 11:18:48 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people the people to remain silent.)
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To: cynwoody

Then they sent the list out to the newspapers in time for publication on Sunday and Monday
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Then why is Obama’s in the paper but the Nordyke twins is NOT. I’ll tell you why. They erased the Nordyke’s and inserted Obama’s when the SHTF on this during the campaign.


191 posted on 07/28/2009 11:21:41 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people the people to remain silent.)
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To: GVnana
My favorite portrayal of Doc Holiday in one of the best modern Westerns IMHO.

Why Johnny Ringo! You look like somebody just walked over your grave. hahaha

And I really liked Kurt Russell in that movie too. One helluva moustache.

192 posted on 07/28/2009 11:27:55 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (There is nothing wrong with the Government that 552 bullets couldn't cure...)
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To: matthew fuller
“But I don't have Uhbummer’s mothers available.”

Then that would rule me out, Tex.

193 posted on 07/28/2009 11:31:21 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: WOSG

The COLB that Obama shared is the exact same form any other requestor of birth records will get from state of Hawaii.
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Now that’s just BS and you know it. He can get a copy of the long form. I had to get one for my passport. They wouldn’t accept the thing Odumbo is trying to pass off.


194 posted on 07/28/2009 11:34:10 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people the people to remain silent.)
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To: matthew fuller

Greater love hath no man, than what Shep Smith has for Shep Smith.
_________________
LOL LOL how true that is.


195 posted on 07/28/2009 11:35:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people the people to remain silent.)
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To: WOSG

This is one reason the ‘vacation birth in Kenya’ story is non-credible and a fairy tale.
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Keep trying, not buying. If Granny wanted her preggers with a black guys kid out of Hawaii, she would have paid the way. Also if you don’t buy Kenya, there are NO gaps in a Canadian born scenario. ALL of the puzzle pieces fit perfectly.


196 posted on 07/28/2009 11:38:50 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people the people to remain silent.)
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To: Terabitten

fr research team is working on it....


197 posted on 07/28/2009 11:46:37 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: mojitojoe
Canada, back then, a piece of cake. How do you know he DIDN’T have a Canadian or Kenyan BC and how do you know he WASN’T on his mother’s passport. Nobody has been able to see her passport.

I don't know if he had a Canadian or Kenyan BC but only the Canadian one would have gotten him into the us without a visa. To be on his mothers passport it would have taken time to get, I was on my mothers passport as a child for my travels and had to have my picture taken. I also had to have a shot card.

I have crossed into Canada with a verbal declaration and also coming back, but a newborn baby would be suspect if seen by an inspector.

I don't doubt Hawaii would be easy to get a BC via affidavits,and thats why I want to see the BC. The burden of proof should be on Obama, but it seems to be on those challenging him-why?

I believe it is more likely than not Obama was born in Hawaii, but I also believe America demands absolute proof. When has Obama told the truth?

198 posted on 07/28/2009 11:46:57 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Exactly.

Which is why I think a Hawaiian birth would have been too difficult for Ann and baby Obama in August 1961 — when Susan Blake alleges to have seen them...


199 posted on 07/28/2009 11:47:10 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: hoosiermama

check your PMs...


200 posted on 07/28/2009 11:50:07 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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