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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: Mr Ramsbotham

That’s Book 44B, page 5733.


1,151 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:45 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
February, 1984.

Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983. So maybe he needed a copy of his REAL BC to have the docs required to enter the workforce.

1,152 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:51 AM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: sonic109
"......with people getting super excited over yet another photoshopped document.

Maybe if you E-mail Ogabe and ask real nicely he'll release his longform Birth Certificate and relieve your constipation err consternation. Then FR would be restored to it's lofty perch with distinguished discussions once again. /s
1,153 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I strongly recommend you go to #1 and start reading. It is all explained - the document is from 1964.


1,154 posted on 08/02/2009 7:25:06 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: MrDem

That’s 1964, not 1984. You guys must not be working off the orignial document. All these numbers and dates are clear as a bell.


1,155 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:00 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: mojitojoe

I’d say huge problem unless other contemporaneous publications corroborate the use of the term in that time period: newspapers, books, etc.

BTW, what did BCs say in Kenya BEFORE it was declared a republic?


1,156 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:05 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: autumnraine
The other side does not even take that into consideration. It is really the big stick in this mess.
1,157 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: John Valentine

That’s an enormous disappointment. If Orly doesn’t have possession of the doc, then authentication is impossible.

This is much too vital a piece of paper to go out on a limb for without having possession.


1,158 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:38 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Houghton M.

Or,Kenyan father wanting his baby to be born in Kenya. We are all guessing but some likely thoughts here.


1,159 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:53 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: spectre; STARWISE

Did you see Starwise’s warning in 1,058? I knew they were in Obamas pocket but didn’t know they could also see his colon.


1,160 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:55 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Swordmaker

Try it now.

Blacked out background, raised contrast for better readability.


1,161 posted on 08/02/2009 7:27:08 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: Jim Noble

No problem. Surely the Brits have records who who held what offices, even “chief clerical officer” type positions, in the colonies.

But that doesn’t help, really. A good forger would have already found out who was the principal registrar for that place at that time and made sure he used the right names.

I think authenticity would depend more on forensics— examining the paper, ink etc. In the end, it may be impossible to be sure one way or the other—modern documents are mundane, nondescript and exist in monstrously huge numbers.

Unless, of course, the forger slipped up and didn’t do his research right.

But it’s the Obama side in whose interest it is to show that it’s a fake. Authentication really is saying, “well, at least we can see no obvious signs of forgery.” A perfect forgery, by definition, would never get detected. Of course, absolutely perfect forging is extremely difficult, so an authentication that says, “no apparent signs of having been forged” is, for practical purposes, accepted as proof of not being forged.


1,162 posted on 08/02/2009 7:27:21 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: glock rocks

Gonna take a break from the thread to watch the Roundtable on FOX Sunday in about 10 mins. Re Pocono, I think rain is gonna play a big part so I think I’m gonna bench my best drivers today to save starts......but then again, I may not. ;)


1,164 posted on 08/02/2009 7:27:55 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: RetroSexual

With all my heart, I hope it’s so.


1,165 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:15 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: STARWISE
He is still pending ...

Is that so? I had no idea.

1,166 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:19 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Quote:
....the law and the press will forgive him and the whole thing will go away All he has to do is say he made a mistake and he is sorry. A lot of Americans are suckers for that line.


Biting your lower lip between sentences between sentences like Bill Clinton did would help.
That makes it look like an authentic "I'm sorry" to the press.
1,167 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:32 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: woofie
Now might be a good time to release the long form. Won't hold my breath.

Just started reading the thread. I am going to resist the urge to skip to the end. With no idea what awaits me at the end of the thread one thought comes to mind (pure speculation).

If (and I stress IF) this is authentic, can you imagine the implications besides the most obvious one? Who knew? When did they know it? Who was in collusion? Who recently discovered the truth, but failed to speak up? What methods were used to keep people quiet? Not the rime, but the cover-up.....

Okay, it was more than 1 thought, but my brain was on a roll, LOL!

1,168 posted on 08/02/2009 7:29:17 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (I piddy da foo if JimmyT zots you!)
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To: rxsid
The date seems to fit with Dunham filing for divorce in Jan, 1964. Perhaps a copy was needed for the divorce.
1,169 posted on 08/02/2009 7:29:21 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Fresh Wind
My guess is Hillary Clinton...

If so, then why didn't she drop the bomb during the primaries? Or did she simply not have them until later?


How about this,Hillary had the goods all along but wouldn't release them knowing that she was unelectable anyway.So zero is elected and eventually she gets the sec of state position.When the time is right she drops the shoe knowing that the top three fall,zero,Biden because he had to be in on it,Pelosi because she certified zero was eligible.The next in line would be Sheets,but he is way too old and feeble,clearly not capable to hold office.Next is sec of state,Hillary gladly steps in for the good of the country and to avoid a constitutional crisis.Her fingerprints are nowhere near it and she gets what she wanted all along......
1,170 posted on 08/02/2009 7:29:56 AM PDT by razbinn (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,and to the republic for which it ...)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom; SE Mom; penelopesire; Jim Robinson

OVER 30,000 VIEWS

Think FR doesn’t get traffic ???

LOL ...


1,171 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:14 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: TruthWillWin
I think, if it is real, it was probably from the lawyer that handled the divorce for Stanley! The only really nagging thing in the back of my Head is why the Hawaiian officials were so adamant that Obama was born in Hawaii?If the truth comes out and they lied then they won't be able to get into dog catching in Hawaii!
1,172 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:19 AM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: SE Mom
That’s an enormous disappointment. If Orly doesn’t have possession of the doc, then authentication is impossible.

Look at the glass half-full. Then it will be hard to disprove also, kinda like "jobs saved".

1,173 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:22 AM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: John Valentine
That’s Book 44B, page 5733.

You are correct; I did a blow-up on the document. Also, it is indeed 1964, not 1984.

1,174 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:24 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: waxer1
Boy, what a mess.

It is for Bozo. Monday is gonna be one helluva rotten day at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

1,175 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:34 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: razbinn
and just WHERE is StarTraveler????

Probably ignoring this wild speculation and wishful thinking until someone actually analyzes the document. It's funny how quickly the factcheck stuff got quickly attacked in all sorts of ways and here people can't mention the word "font" even after 1000 posts.

1,176 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:49 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Houghton M.
She wasn’t thinking about any possible impact on the baby’s future.

Maybe- Then again, It's seems very calculating to have had her mother in Hawaii applying for citizenship,posting birth announcement with address that didn't trace to them.

1,177 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:53 AM PDT by Blu By U
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill; John Valentine

I don’t have the Constitutional knowledge to argue with you guys, but it’s really a moot point. If that document is real then it’s all over but the shouting.

And a better application of that phrase I have never seen, because things will get hot indeed. I think it’s clear that Obama does not have the character to step down, but could those around him force it to happen?


1,178 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:21 AM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: rxsid

WTF?

On eBay.

Item No. 160344374585, at least as of today, is described as “a certified copy of President Barack Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate.”

http://theautonomist.com/atnmst/bo_bc_files/obamma_bc_ebay.html


1,179 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:21 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: wiggen

Him?? For the betterment of anything or anyone other than himself ...?

I.... would ..... faint .......


1,180 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:32 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Swordmaker

When they tar and feather you, at least you’ll have company...:)


1,181 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:51 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: wiggen

Not unless facing a horrible choice and
an offer he could not refuse ...


1,182 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:11 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Windflier

“Whoa! This is the first that I’ve heard of this. I didn’t read anywhere that Orly only had a photograph of this document. That takes the value of this evidence down quite a few notches, if that’s true.”

But since the photo gives a book and page number, as well as, registrars there is information that can be corroborated from other places.


1,183 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:18 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Windflier

It’s more than he’s ever produced in evidence.


1,184 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:18 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: SatinDoll; All
I strongly recommend you go to #1 and start reading. It is all explained - the document is from 1964.

Sorry; I was looking at a distorted version of the document. You are correct; it's 1964, not 1984. Someone wanted a copy of the birth record for some reason or another; perhaps to get a passport?

1,185 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: Windflier

Now this is interesting. She’s getting ready to make her move—there have been hints all along; she just needed to wait until he was Odinged up enough in the polls, until he lost enough of his luster to make him attackable???

But why not release this during the primaries? That’s the mystery.

So, I have to assume that the rumors that she had 3 copies of the BC might be false.

We’ll see, I guess.


1,186 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:30 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Principled

Real evidence should be talked about not photoshopped crap from the DU. Oh now what , you’re going to call me a troll. Give me a break . I remember people wetting themselves over the EBAY document guy “YES THIS IS IT , THE BIG ONE”! A 7 year old kid would know that was a goof fro day one.These things are planted by the left to discredit us ..guess you don’t see that huh ?


1,187 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:32 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: bgill

all he has to say is he never knew. this is what his mom and grand parents told him. get that from him and a resignation and be happy.
We don’t want him to say he just found out but has decided to stay and fight it. We’re in bad enough shape already and don’t need the country paralyzed over this or worse.


1,188 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:45 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: phil.jberg

Welcome to FR.

We’re doing what we often do on FR- brainstorm, toss ideas around to be checked out, refuted or verified.

Clearly- there is MUCH that is NOT known. It is possible that the Kenyan bc that was the subject of the phone conversation you refer to is not authentic. This one may not be either- but we continue to dig, research and hunt.


1,189 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:49 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: phil.jberg

Welcome to Free Republic Phil.J Berg?


1,190 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:01 AM PDT by muddler
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To: carcraft

As I understand it, Hawaiian policy allowed any adult to attest to someone having been born in Hawaii—no hospital report or verification required. If so, one of Obama’s relatives could have done so to slip him in as an American citizen and the Democrat operatives in the office could accurately say his vital documents on file state that he was born there.


1,191 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:04 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SatinDoll

Yeah...and I *never* learn.


1,192 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:19 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: presently no screen name

No, because Kenya FILED for independence in 1963. It just wasn’t ratified until 1964.


1,193 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:23 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Danae

It was certified as a “TRUE COPY” by the signing official. Therefore it is not the original BC


1,194 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:07 AM PDT by supermop (Somebody has to clean up the mess he will leave)
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To: luvEastTenn

can’t see anything but subject of the British Crown ?


1,195 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:08 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: autumnraine
It says Certified Copy of Registration of Birth because it is Hawaii acknowledging a resident of Hawaii registering a child born elsewhere.

The document isn't from Hawaii. It's from Kenya. It appears to be a standard Kenyan document. The Hawaiian COLB would more likely be the acknowledging document you're referring to.

1,196 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:23 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: phil.jberg
OK Noob - so a “described” cert on the PHNOE is NOT the one we have an excellent image of? Go away.
1,197 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Kevmo

Got the same thing.


1,198 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:27 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Somebody please make up my mind.


1,199 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:44 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: autumnraine
If Obama was not a citizen ( if he was born in Kenya) due to Ann's age, then how did Ann get the baby back into the U.S.? Wouldn't immigration officials have stopped her when she got off the plane in the U.S.?
1,200 posted on 08/02/2009 7:35:09 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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