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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: Houghton M.
But why not release this during the primaries? That’s the mystery.

For what it's worth, here's the theory I've seen on that.

If Hillary had released this during the primaries, it would have been perceived by blacks as an unforgivable sabotage of Barry's candidacy, and they would have sat out the election in great enough numbers to swing the election to McCain.

Understanding these dynamics, Hillary decided to take her chances at beating him fair and square, and lost.

Now, what doesn't make sense about that theory to me, is that she could have leaked the evidence of his ineligibility from any number of sources that wouldn't be easily traced back to her.

But - there's the countervailing thought that Barry's campaign would have scuttled her chances anyway, just by claiming that she was responsible. That's all it would have taken. Who would blacks have believed, Obama, or Hillary?

1,551 posted on 08/02/2009 9:06:53 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rintense
the more the American public will doubt his edibility

We're not cannibals.

1,552 posted on 08/02/2009 9:07:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: Jim Noble

EVen an illeagal election?


1,553 posted on 08/02/2009 9:07:09 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

And she wasn’t banned. 4 posts and one knew what she was.


1,554 posted on 08/02/2009 9:07:16 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: PhiKapMom
Biden knew something would pop up in 6 months. I think the foot in mouth was giving the actual date. I'm still not convinced even this wasn't planned. Way too convenient. The game's afoot!
1,555 posted on 08/02/2009 9:07:28 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Yup ask Doug From Upland about that.


1,556 posted on 08/02/2009 9:07:37 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Jim Noble
Well said, Jim.

Since everybody seems to play the what- if game, my speculation is how can Obama be brought to bear?

Assuming the document is bona fide and that Obama was born in Kenya and further assuming that that means that he is not a natural born citizen, what next? Conservatives and Republicans have not the numbers in the House to bring articles of impeachment. There is some question whether we could peel off some Democrats. I take my lesson from the impeachment of Bill Clinton and I am not sanguine about the odds of converting enough Democrats in the House to the place where they will become actual supporters of the United States Constitution. Assuming sufficient Democrats combined with Republicans to impeach the president, we have the same problem in the Senate and, again, the impeachment of Bill Clinton is instructive and not confidence inspiring.

Republicans were not showing great many courageous profiles then and I expect to see even less courage among the profiles when the Democrats play the race card. Republicans have never stood up to it before, I don't see a reason why they will do so now.

Equally, the chances of getting an adjudication in a court are probably even slimmer. The court has already ruled countless times on the issue of standing, and the bona fides of the Kenyan document or the spuriousness of the Hawaii document do not change the rationale behind those rulings, unless the judges read the newspapers and unless it becomes plain that the public sentiment has greatly changed. Even if the courts changed their mind on standing, it is still likely that they would call this a political question and choose not to rule. It is mind-boggling to conceive of the judge issuing an order telling a sitting President of the United States to vacate the White House.

Even if all the legal obstacles could be overcome, the likelihood that could be done before 2012 is problematic.

I think, realistically, our solution is a political one in which we seek to so discredit Obama that he becomes a lame duck in his first year and is party is massacred at the polls in 2010.

I quite agree with you that it is the vice president who will succeed in the unlikely event that it comes to that. The vice president's office is a constitutional office and he is elected in his own right. In any event, I would infinitely prefer to have a conventional domestic leftist as President of the United States than an illegal alien who is a Manchurian Marxist. We have dealt with Biden's kind throughout the 20th century and we know how to fight and neutralize him. Besides he will have no credibility anyway. God only knows the damage Barack Obama is contemplating for our country.


1,557 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Thats very likely,plus it has been around for some time with the apparent ability to supersede any one individual.
1,558 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:25 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: rodguy911
Wow,that’s a scary scenario.

Yeah. I don't sleep well.

I first had that horrible thought in January.

Of 2003

1,559 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:26 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 194 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rodguy911
EVen an illeagal election?

The election wasn't illegal.

1,560 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:32 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: AmericanVictory
Filings in court are privileged against libel suits.

I was wondering about that. Does that protect her from all attempts to publicize the document? It seems that she's at risk for merely publicizing the thing if it's a forgery. A court filing only gives it an air of legitimacy unless it also provides her with privilege against prosecution.

Anyway, I still believe that Taitz has little reason to fabricate this whole thing, whereas the O-Holes are desparate to protect Dear Leader.
1,561 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:36 AM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: AmericanVictory

The second photo with the tear on it was created by a FRiend here. It was only meant to clarify the image for easier reading.

They are both the same document though one has the background deleted.


1,562 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:42 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: maggief

So now who will the Obots say has the burden of proof?


1,563 posted on 08/02/2009 9:09:17 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: PureSolace

Good work.


1,564 posted on 08/02/2009 9:09:42 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Salamander

Oh, you’re fine. It’s some people who go off on tangents without bothering to read.


1,565 posted on 08/02/2009 9:09:44 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: palmer
"have seen the original vital records maintained"

Vital records, hmmmm. Why not just come out and say "we saw barrys original birth certificate?

Another unanswered question....why spend so much money keeping it hidden? And why go through such trouble of covering up all past records?

1,566 posted on 08/02/2009 9:09:48 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Where's The Birth Certificate)
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To: sonic109
These things are planted by the left to discredit us ..guess you don’t see that huh ?

Wow. So, Orly Taitz is really a left-wing plant, engaged in a huge disinformation campaign to make conservatives look bad.

Damn. Who would'a thunk it?

1,567 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:00 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Noble

I really don’t understand,if one candidate was ineligible and clearly fraudulent why no new election.


1,568 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:26 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: SE Mom

Sadly our brainstorimg is seen as foolishness by many. Our willingness to throw out ideas to be confirmed or denied is read as gullible. I have no problem if anyone disagrees with me. If I am wrong about anything I can admit it (sometimes my pride gets in the way, but hey, I am human).

But the one thing that really pisses me off are the holier than thou’s who cannot wait to tell us what useful village idiots we are because we are willing to explore an event to its logical conclusion.

I know that I would rather make an informed judgement after gathering as many facts as I can. Just as I don’t accept the authenticity of this doc on faith, neither do I accept the declaration of it being a fraud by the posters who seem to think they are so much smarter than the rest of us.

If that makes us useful idiots, so be it.

Just in case my post reads wrong, I am agreeing with your post. Sometimes my posts do not read the way I intended. I worry about that.


1,569 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:40 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (I piddy da foo if JimmyT zots you!)
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To: rodguy911

Compared to Soros and Chicago, the Clintons are amateurs.


1,570 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:40 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: penelopesire; rintense

Must leave again for a couple of hours....Please ping me to any important information. Thanks.


1,571 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:50 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Jim Noble

LOL! Damn browser spell check. :)


1,572 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:50 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Windflier
"someone will have to compel or convince the Kenyan government to allow our agents to look at their records"

If only I was a billionaire. They seem to respond to cash.

1,573 posted on 08/02/2009 9:11:25 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Where's The Birth Certificate)
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To: Jim Noble
Except that he didn't appoint Biden.

But he selected him as his running mate. That entire ticket should be declared a fraud if this birth certificate proves to be real.

1,574 posted on 08/02/2009 9:11:27 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Las Vegas Ron; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; autumnraine; AZ .44 MAG; azishot; backhoe; ...

Ping...


1,575 posted on 08/02/2009 9:11:29 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 194 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: John Valentine

Good points. It is very likely that Taitz and her team would protect themselves by such testing being insisted upon before filing.


1,576 posted on 08/02/2009 9:12:15 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: rodguy911

The pictures of Bill was one of his famous cat swallowed the carnary looks.


1,577 posted on 08/02/2009 9:12:25 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: saquin
Why would they go all the way to Mombasa to deliver a baby?

Babies have a habit of asserting themselves at inopportune moments. Perhaps Mombasa is where they happened to be when the birth process began.

There was probably a dearth of hospitals then in Kenya. I could certainly see them wanting a hospital birth rather than a village birth in case of any problems. That might have been reason enough for them to journey to Mombasa.

1,578 posted on 08/02/2009 9:12:38 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (When the going gets tough, the tough go out for ice cream.)
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To: Jim Noble

I’m not a lawyer and this is over my head.


1,579 posted on 08/02/2009 9:12:44 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: True Republican Patriot
-- Back in the Spring of 2007 when OBOZO was alrady running for TOTUS! Sen. FEINSTEIN introduced Legislation that would allow NON-Natural Born Citizens run for and be eligible to be President of the United States! --

After searching fairly diligently, I haven't found that. But check out Feinstein's remarks in an October 5, 2004 Senate hearing. The testimony from this hearing is worth reading. I haven't checked the attachments.

Senate Hearing 108-694 on October 5, 2004. (3.3 Mb PDF version with attachments)

I am just reluctant. I suppose I am reluctant because I am not sure it is damaging to go through that first generation of missing that right of aspiration to the highest office of the land, to which so few really aspire, and that in terms of the common good of the general electorate, that right doesn't create a burden which is a healthy burden because it connotes with it a deeper responsibility. ...

Having searched the Congressional Record from 1995 to the present, on the phrase "natural born," this list represent ALL of the relevant proposed legislation and/or constitutional amendment involving eligibility for the office of president.

For the most part, born in the US is taken as "natural born," even if the birth is to a foreigner who comes to the US solely for the purpose of giving birth, and the foreigner returns to their native country and raises the child there. The US has a cottage industry, catering to Koreans and Japanese, mostly, that performs exactly this service, and with exactly the function to confer citizenship on the child.

H.J. Res. 59 - Citizen for 35 years (May 13, 2004)
Sponsored by Vic Snyder of Arkansas, with 6 co-sponsors:

H.J. Res. 67 - Citizen for 20 years (Sept. 4, 2003)
Sponsored by John Conyers of Michigan, co-sponsored by Brad Sherman of California.

Mr. CONYERS: Mr. Speaker, today I am introducing a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States that will enable all citizens of this country to be eligible to hold the Office of President.
Congressional Record, Page E1692, Sept. 4, 2003 (speaking on Sept 3)

S.J. Res. 15 - Citizen for 20 years (July 10, 2003)
Sponsored by Orin Hatch of Utah, no cosponsors.
Senate Hearing 108-694 on October 5, 2004. (3.3 Mb PDF version with attachments)

Mr. HATCH: Mr. President, I rise today to introduce the "Equal Opportunity to Govern" Amendment, which would amend the Constitution to permit any person who has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years to be eligible for the Office of President.
Congressional Record, Page S9252, July 10, 2003

S. 2128 - define natural born citizen (Feb 25, 2004)
Sponsored by Don Nickles of Oklahoma, co-sponsored by Senators Inhofe of Oklahoma and Landrieu of Louisiana

The purpose of this bill is to define the term "natural born Citizen" as used in Article II of the Constitution to include any person born in the United States, any person born outside the United States to citizen parents, and any foreign-born child adopted by citizen parents.
Congressional Record, Page S1597, Feb 25, 2004

H.J. Res. 104 - Citizen for 20 years (Nov 5, 2004)
Sponsored by Dana Rohrabacher of California, no cosponsors.

H.J. Res. 2 - Citizen for 20 years (Jan 4, 2005)
Sponsored by Conyers and co-sponsored by Brad Sherman of California.

H.J. Res. 15 - Citizen for 20 years (Feb 1, 2005)
Sponsored by Dana Rohrabacher of California, no cosponsors.

H.J. Res. 42 - Citizen for 35 years (April 14, 2005)
By Mr. SNYDER (for himself and Mr. Shays)

S. Res. 511 - McCain is a Natural Born Citizen (April 10, 2008)
Debate at Congressional Record, Page S3645, April 30, 2008
Sponsored by Claire McCaskill of Missouri, with 5 co-sponsors:


1,580 posted on 08/02/2009 9:13:34 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 2111USMC
Limited number of hospitals to choose from?

This hospital having a reputation for being the better one?

Doesn't make sense. Nairobi, the capital, has many more hospitals. And this particular hospital in Mombasa, Coast General, seems to be nothing special. It's just a public hospital. There are public hospitals in Nairobi.

1,581 posted on 08/02/2009 9:13:49 AM PDT by saquin
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To: rodguy911

Where is it mushrooming? Only here on FR? If it shows up on Drudge, or elsewhere in the media...Then I’ll get excited.


1,582 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:00 AM PDT by sissyjane
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To: calex59
He would be temporarily but McCain would be the legally elected President since Bozo would be proved a fraud and all his votes would be thrown out.

McCain is not a natural born citizen, either.

1,583 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:02 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 194 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: autumnraine

No prob. I’ve been up all night with this thread, and just gulped down two cups o’joe to keep the eyelids open. Don’t know if anything I’m posting is making sense, though. LOL


1,584 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:07 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: bgill

You are correct — Biden did give the time frame. This would sure be major.


1,585 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:36 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom

They don’t hide much, pretty blatant and in your face all the time.


1,586 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:37 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: TheThinker

Biden CANNOT be made POTUS since the entire ticket was a fraudulent one.


1,587 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:49 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Where's The Birth Certificate)
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To: saquin
Why would they go all the way to Mombasa to deliver a baby?

Because if you were already married, and yet your new 18 year old plaything wife wanted to see your country, would you take her to your village, or to the opposite side of the country, knowing she would never run into your real wife there while at the supermarket. Probably Mombasa had a nice beach.

1,588 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:56 AM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: NoGrayZone
Another unanswered question....why spend so much money keeping it hidden?

In regard to the Keyes suit, didn't Taitz say that DoJ lawyers were arrayed against her? That being the case, WE are paying, not Zer0.

1,589 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:58 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: rxsid

SO there NOW exists CLEAR doubt as to the viability of Hussein’s legal right to claiming the position of Commander and Chief of the US Military.

With Americans being killed in his war in Afghanistan at on the orders of their chain of command (from him), I predict that there will be soon be a Constitutional crisis where a General Officer (or Officers) as well as the entire Command their are responsible for will force a showdown in some way.

I am not talking about active revolt against 0bama - but certainly more than anyone person has so far asserted thus far today.

I think this is inevitable because of the bond of trust and respect out present Military has for its leadership and visa versa.

The Leadership of the UA Military sees this as sacrosanct and if they are getting orders to conduct warfare from a person whose legitimacy is proven to be at least as questionable as it has been demonstrated to be legitimate, then (a some point) their leaders will feel duty bound to the men they lead to do the right thing to get the verification they feel they owe to the soldiers they lead.

I think its simply a matter of time that 0bama will be forced to disclose.

I do not like this path but it has to be expected at some point?


1,590 posted on 08/02/2009 9:15:04 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: Fresh Wind
I could certainly see them wanting a hospital birth rather than a village birth in case of any problems. That might have been reason enough for them to journey to Mombasa.

I'm not saying they should have had the baby in the village but Mombasa is very far from the village. Nairobi, the capital city, has many hospitals and is much closer. Do we think they were touring the coast, far from their home village, on a trip to Kenya while she's days from giving birth? It just doesn't pass the common sense test.

1,591 posted on 08/02/2009 9:16:21 AM PDT by saquin
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To: rxsid

Bookmarking and fingers crossed.


1,592 posted on 08/02/2009 9:16:30 AM PDT by Envisioning (Proud "Right Wing Extremist" per the DHS.......)
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To: TruthWillWin
Just looked, didn't see any threads discussing this.

So quiet you could hear a pin drop.

I have never seen a thread like this, 40,000+ views that was conceivably real news go ignored by everyone.

This is perhaps why the "Birther" thing kept getting echoed and ridiculed, because they knew this was going to come out and they wanted it inoculated. Why isn't this up on Drudge, Hot Air, and more its big even if is inconclusive. This throws real doubt on the narrative of the FactCheck COLB. It confirms the narrative of the family members in Kenya who say he was born there, and the general understanding of what happened in Hawaii after he was born.

Something doesn't add up with the current COLB and the birth announcements, but that is another story entirely.

1,593 posted on 08/02/2009 9:16:39 AM PDT by dalight
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To: hoosiermama

Will do. I will be in and out most of the day, so will ping you to anything I see.


1,594 posted on 08/02/2009 9:16:44 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: mad_as_he$$
A guy I know inside the Beltway says the whole broken elbow thing was faked. Not sure to what means but with Hillary - who knows.

A woman in the office noted during our daily lunch in front of Fox News that Hillary had had "some work" done. She does look like she's been stretched a bit. The broken elbow thing could have been a cover for her face lift.

1,595 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:13 AM PDT by AUTiger83 (Alabamian by birth, Auburn alum by the grace of God . . .)
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To: saquin

Well how thought provoking since every 18 year old American wants to give birth in a 3rd world village.


1,596 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:55 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Jim Noble; Lazamataz

Gee Laz, you think Jim’s got a point?


1,597 posted on 08/02/2009 9:18:00 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: AmericanVictory

Thanks, but that post of mine was WAAAAAY off, as you will determine if you have the tenacity to wade through what is not way over 1000 posts.

The second document was an attempt by a certain Freeper to make the document a bit more legible, but it caused ALL kinds of confusion.


1,598 posted on 08/02/2009 9:18:08 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: saquin
... has anyone looked at a map of Kenya? Mombasa is in the far southeastern corner of the country, right on the coast (hence the hospital name). It’s about as far as you can get from Obama’s family’s home village (and where his step-grandmother lives), which is in the far western part of the country, on the edge of Lake Victoria. Roughly equidistant between these two points is the capital city of Nairobi. Why would they go all the way to Mombasa to deliver a baby?

Your observation goes to plausibility but vicissitudes of travel may have put them in Mombasa when he was born. I don't think we have any knowledge yet of where they may have been travelling to or from bracketing this purported interlude in Kenya.

1,599 posted on 08/02/2009 9:18:23 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

If you look at her website and the filing with the court she is on a plane to London this morning and will be there for one day. She reminds the court that she will be out of the country until August 24th. My guess is that she is going to the UK (where the back up records are kept) and possibly to Kenya.


1,600 posted on 08/02/2009 9:18:41 AM PDT by politicalmerc
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