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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

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To: fanfan
All Obama has to do is show the real, original birth certificate he claimed to have possession of, in one of his books.

Those books might be his undoing. They are filled with coinflicting dates and obvious errors.

2,151 posted on 08/02/2009 11:26:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sbark
The Font and typewritten abstract updates (purch, sale, mortgages, foreclosures etc) are very consistent done on the parchment paper of the time.

Thanks for the info. The typewritten characters should have darker and lighter portions within characters and from character to character and line to line. The printed characters should be much more consistent as this document shows. I am concerned that these look a little too consistent. But a high quality printing job was quite possible in that time and place.

2,152 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:26 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Mr. K

They were an English colony.

2,153 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:43 AM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Lynne
The copy that is posted here is a certified copy of the birth certificate. It seems Obama's mother needed it for the divorce in 1964. The certified copy was signed be the deputy registrar on February 17, 1964 and the divorce was granted March 20, 1964

Zerobama's Kenyan certified copy of birth certificate

Degree of Divorce

2,154 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:45 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: null and void

Congress does not agree, they agreed he was a natural born citizen or he wouldn’t have been running for President. This question came up in 2008 and was debunked, WITH VERIFIABLE DOCUMENTS, unlike Bozo who has shown absolutely no documents.

2,155 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:50 AM PDT by calex59
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To: 1000 silverlings

Plane crashes in Indonesia are as common as truck accidents here.

2,156 posted on 08/02/2009 11:28:02 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Scanian

Not exactly. He can probably plead ignorance and have the media cover for him as assuming he was born in Hawaii. He can claim he didn’t know of the shenanigans his mother did to register the birth in the U.S.

2,157 posted on 08/02/2009 11:28:14 AM PDT by Onerom99 (I)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Lets hope.

2,158 posted on 08/02/2009 11:28:33 AM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: null and void

One more point about that video:

It seems to me that the appearance of Ann and the baby in Seattle in August, 1961, is a crucial piece of this puzzle.

There is just no reasonable explanation for why she was in Washington state with a newborn, other than that he was born outside Hawaii. In 1961, a teenager didn’t simply didn’t jump on a plane with a brand-new baby in cloth diapers and jet off for a social visit.

Until this morning, I leaned toward a Seattle/British Columbia birthplace. If this paper is authentic, looks like she may have flown in from Africa. She apparently stayed in Seattle, for she was enrolled in school there that fall.

There is smoke there, always has been. It’s struck a discordant note ever since I heard it last summer.

Pardon the mixed metaphors, but you get the point.

The secret of his birth is tied to that Seattle summer ‘61 visit.

2,159 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:08 AM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: dalight
You are a frustrating person.

I don't make claims that cannot be backed by proof. Without authentication, Obamas Chicago machine will eat this alive.

2,160 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Jedidah
I think the original video was removed. Wonder why.

Because someone (me) pointed out that it was the very first recorded itty-bitty baby Barack sighting, and it was 2500 miles away from Hawaii.

As such it is a clear indicator that he wasn't born in Hawaii, else the first sighting would be there, not on a plausible route to there...

2,161 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:32 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 194 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: wtc911
There are two places for signatures, one for Obama Sr. and one for an official. Both are blank.

There IS a signature from the official on the document. There isn't one for his father, but the official might have been satisifed that one wasn't necessary for this document to be generated. One possibility is that the court of hawaii requested it. The court had proof the father was not responding to the divorce proceedings, this proof is included in the final divorce decree available online.

There are no details regarding time of birth, weight, attending physician, etc...It's possible that Kenya never records these but it is a question.

Very possible they weren't in the habit of recording it on registered copies of birth certificates. Maybe it's available on another type of document.

The fact that there was no Republic of Kenya in 1961 is a deal killer.

Actually it's the fact that there was no Republic of Kenya in February 17th 1964 when this Document was generated, not in 1961 when he was born. This document was generated when Obama was almost 3 years old. But you have the right idea. Someone needs to find a similar document from 1964 (for a citizen born before 1963) and see if it has the same stamp saying republic of kenya.
2,162 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:33 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: rxsid

This should be made to be the HUGE deal it really is. CONGRESS needs to get involved and settle this, once and for all!

No more MONEY to Kenya until they can prove or disprove this. As well, the DOJ, FBI, and Congress should subpoena Hawaii State officials and records.

2,163 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:36 AM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Uncle Sham

By the time we declare the entire congress fools and kicking them out off office for not doing their sworn duty, we’ll likely end up with the head of janitorial supplies as POTUS. Which couldn’t be any worse than what we have now. Remember that movie King Ralph?

2,164 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:03 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: rolling_stone

A usage more common in Britain than here but as used on the form it would include the name “Barack Hussein” with no problem. “Christian name” doesn’t exclude Muslim first or second names when used in that sense.

2,165 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: palmer; wtc911

Just as I suspected.

The Cloward-Piven mindset is inherently self-dementing.

2,166 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:36 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: wintertime

“Geeze! Surely an actual newspaper should exist somewhere.”

Just a wild guess, but you might try a libray. All you need is the area of interest and the approximate date, bet you can find many copies of the paper with the announcement, if it exists.

2,167 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:51 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded - John Randolph)
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To: 9YearLurker

What a counterweight to Franken Keyes would be!

2,168 posted on 08/02/2009 11:31:18 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Windflier
I made my first post at #24 at 4:00 AM, and haven't left the thread yet. I tell you, I am bushed. Yeah, might as well blame him for it. LOL
Same here.. been trying to catch up for the last 6 1/2 hours.. :/ (almost 4am here)..
2,169 posted on 08/02/2009 11:31:24 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: null and void

not true. dr. chiyome fukino said that he was born in hawaii in a statement just the other day.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago....”

it’s time to let it die. it’s just embarrassing.

2,171 posted on 08/02/2009 11:32:04 AM PDT by ding
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To: penelopesire

How do you ‘see’ view counts?
(I’m a noob) 8(

2,172 posted on 08/02/2009 11:32:04 AM PDT by plinyelder
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To: Danae; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; blam; SunkenCiv; Allegra; SandRat; ...
Oh yes. This might just implode the Democrat party.

So how do we make that happen....?

That is the Question

2,173 posted on 08/02/2009 11:32:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: 1000 silverlings

what are you implying about the indonesian plane? you think they were investigators?

2,174 posted on 08/02/2009 11:32:09 AM PDT by chevydude26
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To: Kaslin

Very interesting post. This is from the divorce decree?

2,175 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:10 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: ofwaihhbtn

There have been rumors because he has family in Kenya. He interfered in an election there as a Senator. The interference was on behalf of someone who claims to be Obamas cousin. There have been whispers for sometime. Birthplace didn’t matter as a Senator. The bar is higher for a US President.

2,176 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:11 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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I got the malware message on IE.

2,177 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:43 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: okie01
The copy is dated February, 1964. Stanley Ann filed for divorce from Barack Sr. in Hawaii in...January, 1964.

There is a possible connection...

Stanley Ann signed her divorce papers dated on 20th Jan, 1961, the divorce became final 2 months later in March 1961.

2,178 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:46 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: ding

Welcome to FRee Republic, as a reminder we don’t use profanity over here like at DU, thanks and have a nice short visit!

2,179 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:50 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Jedidah

See post 479.

2,180 posted on 08/02/2009 11:34:11 AM PDT by RatsDawg
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To: Mount Athos
Here is a document which references a "Trade Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Poland and the Government of the Republic of Kenya signed on 20th April, 1964"

However, the document is dated March, 1990, and may incorrectly refer to the name of the country in the prior agreement.

Otherwise, this suggests that the name "Republic of Kenya" was in use prior to December, 1964.

2,181 posted on 08/02/2009 11:34:25 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: David
My reading of that amendment is that the determination of eligibility is a one shot deal. Once he is determined to be eligible and sworn in as president, he can only be removed by impeachment. Otherwise there would be no need for impeachment and the role of the Senate could simply be cut out by the House of Representatives employing the stratagem of reviewing the matter of eligibility whatever it pleases.

Under this interpretation of the Constitution you would soon have tyranny by the House of Representatives intimidating the president into obedience.the House of Representatives would have the exclusive power of impeachment which is constitutionally only to be shared with the Senate.

I simply do not think that eligibility can be determined more than once by this method. It may be that eligibility can never again be determined by any method. That is, even though someone got to be president by committing fraud, even fraud against the Constitution, he nevertheless committed that fraud before he became president. There is a strong body of constitutional scholarship that says the president can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors" committed while in office. Otherwise you would have the president being impeached for every misstep throughout his life and an opposition majority could tie a president up for his whole term.

I do not accept this argument but I am sure that the Democrats would make that argument and, like the Clinton impeachment, the idea is to kick up enough dust so that the public loses the thrust. I have outlined Bill Clinton's high crimes and misdemeanors in a previous post but the public saw it as merely a sex peccadillo and they did not wish to endanger their retirement accounts, so public opinion called for his acquittal and the Senate dutifully obliged. I agree with you that it is an anomaly to have a man in the oval office and have no constitutional or legal remedy to uphold the Constitution. That is the great principle and, as against this overwhelming truth, the idea that a high crime and misdemeanor must be committed in office as opposed to a means of getting in to office, must give way in any decent society.

One last caveat, I recall reading some very turgid article, perhaps a Law Review article, on the subject and it is not so simplistic as we are treating it.

2,182 posted on 08/02/2009 11:35:19 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: DJ MacWoW

As a senator his birthplace didn’t matter, but he had to be a US citizen for 14 years. I want to see his I-9 form.

2,183 posted on 08/02/2009 11:35:26 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Since it didn’t become a “Republic” until DECEMBER of 1964, and this document is dated FEBRUARY of 1964, I would think that they would still use the term “Dominion” on official paperwork. I think that’s the more reasonable explanation. It seems very unlikely to me that they would have printed up official documents with “Republic” about 11 months prior to the changeover.

Until that matter can be resolved to prove that the Kenyan gov’t did indeed use documents with “Republic” instead of “Dominion” before it officially happened, I would have to take that document as a hoax :-(

2,184 posted on 08/02/2009 11:35:38 AM PDT by xine
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This thread is an insult to my intelligence.

The Republic of Kenya did not exist in February of 1961, let alone August of 1961.

Read up about the Colony of Kenya and the Dominion of Kenya.

2,185 posted on 08/02/2009 11:35:44 AM PDT by Shaniqua
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To: Salamander

What Freepers can come up with on the fly never ceases to amaze me!

2,186 posted on 08/02/2009 11:35:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Who cares what the left thinks? When have they ever had anything good to say about us? Sarah Palin is as straight as an arrow yet they bury her in crap on a daily basis.

2,187 posted on 08/02/2009 11:36:07 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: bgill

I’ve always thought there are multiple ways to crosscheck things like this. Even Soros and The Ballerina cannot purge the world of ALL incriminating documents of B.O. They can’t destroy the web of information that would confirm or deny this document. The truth doesn’t need to always be looking over its shoulder, double checking everything. At some point, the pieces will all fall into place with regard to Anne’s whereabouts and the real BC. When revealed, they will fit perfectly together. With few exceptions, a person’s true BC is an objective document that has no agenda, and its facts are unassailable. It’s not as though Anne had presidential aspirations for her son, IMO.

2,188 posted on 08/02/2009 11:36:29 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: rolling_stone

sorry for using your post... but have to do it somewhere.. not sure how much longer before I pass out and my head hits the KB >.<

2,189 posted on 08/02/2009 11:36:31 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Shaniqua

The document was prepared in Feb, 1964. Please try and keep up.

2,190 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:19 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: cynwoody

No, only half that thick because there would be a book A. Also, at least two bc can fit on a page so that cuts it in half again. Still, thick books though more managable but who knows how they number these things in Kenya. I do hope Orly can track this thing down and remembers to check the other 3 births (at least two on front and two on back) listed on the sheet of paper to make sure nothing has been tampered with.

I’m betting London is more respectful of original documents than Hawaii seems to be.

2,191 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:29 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: wkg
It should be easy to determine if the typing was done with a "basket" key typewriter or an IBM Selectric "golf ball" typewriter.

If the latter, it is probably fake, as the IBM Selectric wasn't introduced until 1961, and it is difficult to envision it importation to this hospital in Kenya by 1964. Eventually, it achieved 75% of the US market, and so a forger would probably find a Selectric to use for the fake.

To me, the typed sections appear uniform, and thus likely produced by an electric golf ball typewriter, rather than the uneven result from a manual basket typewriter likely in use in Kenya in February 1964.

2,192 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:43 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: calex59

Pelosi just PO’ed the CIA bigtime. Payback?

2,193 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:46 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: snowsislander
"It appears to me to be a bit light, perhaps, which might be consistent with older manual typewriter."

As I mentioned, I have an Underwood from the 40s/50s and I assure you that you have to almost type with your fists.

It is REALLY hard to easily [and consistently] punch the keys.

Here is a photo of one that is similar to mine. It was first patented in 1927 and superceded in the 50s by a more "portable" version that was *quite* expensive.

When my mom worked for Sinclair Oil in the 60s [yup, I'm old] she was still using a Royal brand model that was just as big and clunky as this.

She was a speed typer even on these things so she could probably have bent steel with her bare hands, if she'd wanted to...:)

2,194 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:51 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: rxsid
Fake document.

Kenya was declared a Republic on December 12 1964 and this fake document shows Republic of Kenya and it was dated February 17 1964 i.e. before Kenya was declared a Republic.

2,195 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:57 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: ding
Always interesting to find a newbie vehemently refuting this topic the day he/she joins FR....8/2/09
2,196 posted on 08/02/2009 11:38:04 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Windflier
It seems odd that the document number on the top is 47,044 considering that Obama is the 44th president and in 2008 he was 47 years old.
2,197 posted on 08/02/2009 11:38:20 AM PDT by nightlight7
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To: Nasher

True. And if enough grandmas and grandpas start getting the needle, you’re talkin’ overwhelming societal uproar if they think that the one killing them off is a usurper.

2,198 posted on 08/02/2009 11:38:26 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: Mount Athos

They were on the road to becoming a republic and the government knew it. What else would they have put on their letterhead? “The Transitional Land of Kenya?”

All the other former British colonies became republics and Kenya was in the process of becoming one too.

2,199 posted on 08/02/2009 11:38:57 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: SatinDoll

Re Hawaiian newspaper birth announcements:

“Those birth announcements are fraudulent.”

The birth announcements are stating the date on supposedly long-standing multiple microfilms in multiple Hawaiian libraries well before the elections. The director of the Hawaiian State Department of Health has also publicly corroborated the COLB (and hence the date of birth on it) as being accurate.

Take a deep breath for a bit. Too many people are making
money off of promoting conspiracies related to this issue and a lot of well intentioned folks are being manipulated.

I think that Obama was born in Hawaii but there must be something awfully embarrassing on his real birth certificate (and Occidental College Records) that was not immediately recognized until his presidential run was well under way.

All Democrats should demand he release the original BC and move on and be done with this distracting and now very negative issue for the President. However if there is nothing of issue on the long form original birth certificate, then it shows Obama to be a very trite person incapable of competently fathoming the complexities of higher leadership.

2,200 posted on 08/02/2009 11:39:56 AM PDT by 4FreeSpeach
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