Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
Thanks. I was just trying to clarify that point.
I am sure you are a very nice and conscientious person, and when the rest of the world asks you for your opinion, after all of the screaming has stopped and the facts are clear, then your opinion on this will not matter because it will be months to late to mean anything.
I just don't get your point. I wish I could.
Yes, it needs to be authenticated. And. once it is authenticated, all hell may break loose, but frankly, I don't care if it is authenticated or not! I don't. My world doesn't rest on this. My demand personally that that the President release his identity records and college records and citizenship records as he should have in 2008 when we needed this information will stay if this piece of paper is suitable for the dust bin.
It is news but frankly, the scandal is that we have to prove beyond a shadow of doubt this person is lying, rather then them having to prove that they meet the standard of qualification when it becomes a legitimate point of controversy. John McCain didn't let the day end before authorizing the release of his B.C.
This whole thing is insane because anyone else would have been pummelled by the press a year ago into doing the right thing.
Now is the time for President Obama to come clean and let the cards fall where they may. Not wait for the Military to march into his office and call him a potential Usurper which would inevitably have to occur the second this authentication is done.
Too much is at risk, to wait after the point where this is stone obvious, the questions are already significant and disruptive.
Oops, indeed. Kenya became independent on Dec. 12, 1963.
I couldn’t care less what they think. What I want is verified proof that can’t be dismissed.
Shaniqua is just a racist troll, looking for a welfare handout from Obama as “reparations” for the grief and anguish that Whitey has caused her.
Why do you think he was born in Hawaii?
They seem to be late risers, those trolls, but I knew they’d show up sooner or later. Had to sleep it off, perhaps.
I don’t care if he was born in the center of Kansas, he is a poor excuse for a president.
“The gang seems to be slowly filtering into our room.”
We have a breach in the sewer pipe.
Speculatively speaking then, it makes sense. The divorce being filed in Jan, the bureaucracy would have required the appropriate paperwork such as marriage documents and documents regarding children. Hence this BC being pulled in February.
Again just an educated hypothesis at this point, but it seems that his mother pulling and submitting the birth certificate shortly after filing for divorce would make a lot of sense. The timing is nearly perfect.
Also, I would tend to think that even in Kenya, very few besides authorized immediate family members would be able to pull a birth certificate. So, if this document is authentic and the date of issue is correct, then reason dictates that Obamas mother would be the most likely candidate and the divorce filing the likely motivation.
But not delcared a Republic until December 12 1964.
Great post. I agree.
Independence from the United Kingdom - Date December 12, 1963 - Republic declared December 12, 1964
Note the heavy periods and commas. Marks of a manual.
I have had Kenyan graduate students in prior years and they are damn proud to be English speakers. They know it is the language of world commerce and they want their country to grow and prosper.
My point is that one does not run with false info. One makes certain they have authentic, verifiable proof that cannot be dismissed. We do not yet know about this current document.
That matches my understanding of it. The latter document was either a much better forgery or the real thing issued by Hawaii. Both theories have some support, especially considering the July 27th statement by that Hawaiian official.
Just ask yourself which candidate got the most second place votes. That would be the ‘qualified President if Barry was ineligible and thus failed to qualify.
I could color photo copy a 100 dollar bill back it, take a picture of it, and you could not tell from the picture that it was fake. Though clearly it IS a fake.
You can’t prove much about any document from a PICTURE of it. You certainly can’t tell if it is real or fake.
You can certainly tell if it is fake, or at least misrepresented, either deliberately or accidentally.
For example, if someone posted a document date stamped 2007 and asserted the was ordered in 2001, we would surely know that the underlying facts are not as asserted.
That should sound vaguely familiar to you.
If 0bama released his original Selective Service Registration, and it just happened to be on a form the SSA didn't use until two years after he signed and dated it, well, we'd know that's a fake wouldn't we?
He did do that, you know...
what did Rush say...he usually only jokes about it but doesn’t go in depth...like me he wants more definitive proof
We have a breach in the sewer pipe.
Get out the RAT traps and RAID.
jveritas is a troll. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963. Incredibly the 1964 date is beginning to show up on internet sources already this morning! Is this some type of leftist reaction to this document? Double check your source if you are convinced by the misinformation. Are they going to rewrite independence date of an entire nation of people? Maybe no one there will remember? Why don’t you change the date on the Declaration of Independence to July 4, 1777 while your at it?
http://africanhistory.about.com/b/2008/12/12/kenya-achieves-independence-12-december-1963.htm
How much do we want to bet Obama takes a sudden vacation?
What is that and where did you find it?
On the other hand, I think the law is clear that ineligibility to hold the office vitiates the certification of election. So we will see.
Huh?
lol..’halp’....all my google searches throw me into german language land. Who or what was Utrechtse Vroedschap?
"I thought cooler heads would prevail, but I have to step in here: first, the issue of the Kenyan BC: this was information the law offices of Phil Berg has before the 2008 election."
Judging from that one sentence, it appears to me that English is the not the native language of the poster.
Read my lips....
It is about the birth certificate stupid!
Lol!
The birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper does not provide an audit trail whatsoever. Birth announcements are frequently made by relatives and do not necessarily record the place of birth.
jveritas is emphatically NOT a troll.
The Obama administration has up till now used the “nuts and sluts” method of fighting the allegations, This “fake” if it is a fake is good enough to overcome that approach, putting them on the defensive
In a couple of the more recent posts we have 1963 or 1964 as the official date for the use of “Republic of Kenya”
You got some resources to get a verifiacation of which might be the case....?
You have to find the thread intro on the forum page. Views will be there before you click on the thread. welcome to FR.
He can try but, his BS would unravel under the intense scrutiny. Who would believe him Obama...but the extreme leftist Koolaid drinkers.
Nice work.
Yes, but something like birth certificates would be printed on forms, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility, knowing that they would need a lot of them, and to make them consistent, they would all be stamped with the Republic of Kenya the minute they started issuing them. At any rate, the ones recorded before and after, can be checked to see
Nate, you are a lot smarter than me for sure but it seems like we still need to concern ourselves with WHY we can get rid of Hussein rather than HOW we will get rid of him. Could we be getting a little bit ahead of ourselves?
Verification of the available evidence, and perhaps amassing more evidence, seems to be the stage at which we find ourselves right now. Let’s see what Orly produces on her trip.
Of course, I am of the school of thought which says that Hussein doesn’t qualify simply on the basis of who his parents were, regardless of birthplace. But that theory (D’Onofrio’s) doesn’t seem to get much traction, even among FReepers.
If jveritas is NOT a troll then he needs to check his facts before making ignorant statements.
It was a copy of the one still visible, made by FReeper Salamander to enlarge some print. It was taken down because people were confusing it for asnother document.
jveritas is a long-time poster and not a troll. I think the point he was trying to make was that while Kenya became independent at the end of 1963, it didn’t declare itself a republic until the end of 1964.
My feeling is that it had to be known as something in the interim, and since it planned to be a republic, it may have referred to itself that way in internal documents, regardless of the fact that it wasn’t “official.” The only way to prove it either way would be to find an official Kenyan document from that same period.
When you receive a copy of an official documet there are two kinds, official and unofficial. Think college transcripts. The student copy contains no raised seal, while the official mailed to the recipient or sent to student in sealed envelope contains a raised college seal.
But lying on his application should have mattered. He had used other names besides BHO.
bookmark for later reading...
Still no commet about the line called “Christian name” whereas it omits the last name Obama.
The Christian name is listed as Barack Hussein. (No Obama)
Is this why Obama did not want to be called Hussein?
Was he intentionally denying his Christian name?
Or do I just not understand how the term ‘christian name’ is used?
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