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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: ofwaihhbtn

Thanks. I was just trying to clarify that point.


2,251 posted on 08/02/2009 11:49:29 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: DJ MacWoW
I don't make claims that cannot be backed by proof. Without authentication, Obamas Chicago machine will eat this alive.

I am sure you are a very nice and conscientious person, and when the rest of the world asks you for your opinion, after all of the screaming has stopped and the facts are clear, then your opinion on this will not matter because it will be months to late to mean anything.

I just don't get your point. I wish I could.

Yes, it needs to be authenticated. And. once it is authenticated, all hell may break loose, but frankly, I don't care if it is authenticated or not! I don't. My world doesn't rest on this. My demand personally that that the President release his identity records and college records and citizenship records as he should have in 2008 when we needed this information will stay if this piece of paper is suitable for the dust bin.

It is news but frankly, the scandal is that we have to prove beyond a shadow of doubt this person is lying, rather then them having to prove that they meet the standard of qualification when it becomes a legitimate point of controversy. John McCain didn't let the day end before authorizing the release of his B.C.

This whole thing is insane because anyone else would have been pummelled by the press a year ago into doing the right thing.

Now is the time for President Obama to come clean and let the cards fall where they may. Not wait for the Military to march into his office and call him a potential Usurper which would inevitably have to occur the second this authentication is done.

Too much is at risk, to wait after the point where this is stone obvious, the questions are already significant and disruptive.

2,252 posted on 08/02/2009 11:49:50 AM PDT by dalight
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To: fireman15
You got me fireman15, I am a troll therefore you should be rewarded for exposing me (extreme sarcasm). Kenya became independent on December 12 1963 but not declared a Republic until December 12 1964. This document is as fake as CBS documents about President Bush national guard service. It is ironic that Free Republic discovered the CBS fake documents but now we have freepers posting a fake document and trying to tell us that it is authentic.
2,253 posted on 08/02/2009 11:49:56 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: cynwoody
Turns out that's the right question to ask. It's been pointed out that the Republic of Kenya came into existence on 12 December 1964. However, it issued this certification on 17 February 1964. Oops.

Oops, indeed. Kenya became independent on Dec. 12, 1963.

2,254 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:00 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Too bad presidents don't come with certificates of authenticity.)
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To: Scanian

I couldn’t care less what they think. What I want is verified proof that can’t be dismissed.


2,255 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:05 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Guenevere

Shaniqua is just a racist troll, looking for a welfare handout from Obama as “reparations” for the grief and anguish that Whitey has caused her.


2,257 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:09 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Mount Athos

Why do you think he was born in Hawaii?


2,258 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:15 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: rolling_stone

They seem to be late risers, those trolls, but I knew they’d show up sooner or later. Had to sleep it off, perhaps.


2,259 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:20 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Mount Athos

I don’t care if he was born in the center of Kansas, he is a poor excuse for a president.


2,260 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:23 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Scanian

“The gang seems to be slowly filtering into our room.”

We have a breach in the sewer pipe.


2,261 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:33 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: okie01
The copy is dated February, 1964. Stanley Ann filed for divorce from Barack Sr. in Hawaii in...January, 1964...

Speculatively speaking then, it makes sense. The divorce being filed in Jan, the bureaucracy would have required the appropriate paperwork such as marriage documents and documents regarding children. Hence this BC being pulled in February.

Again just an educated hypothesis at this point, but it seems that his mother pulling and submitting the birth certificate shortly after filing for divorce would make a lot of sense. The timing is nearly perfect.

Also, I would tend to think that even in Kenya, very few besides authorized immediate family members would be able to pull a birth certificate. So, if this document is authentic and the date of issue is correct, then reason dictates that Obamas mother would be the most likely candidate and the divorce filing the likely motivation.

2,262 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:41 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: Fresh Wind

But not delcared a Republic until December 12 1964.


2,263 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:48 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: dalight

Great post. I agree.


2,264 posted on 08/02/2009 11:51:15 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Kenya became an independent country (Republic of Kenya) on Dec. 12, 1963.

Independence from the United Kingdom - Date December 12, 1963 - Republic declared December 12, 1964

2,265 posted on 08/02/2009 11:51:35 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Plutarch

Note the heavy periods and commas. Marks of a manual.


2,266 posted on 08/02/2009 11:51:35 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: buccaneer81

I have had Kenyan graduate students in prior years and they are damn proud to be English speakers. They know it is the language of world commerce and they want their country to grow and prosper.


2,267 posted on 08/02/2009 11:51:44 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: dalight

My point is that one does not run with false info. One makes certain they have authentic, verifiable proof that cannot be dismissed. We do not yet know about this current document.


2,268 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MHGinTN
FActcheck initially posted the exact same forgery that Obama’s campaign posted at fightthesmears. That forgery was pulled by Factcheck when the candidate supposedly allowed then to hanldea nd photograph a phyiscal document.

That matches my understanding of it. The latter document was either a much better forgery or the real thing issued by Hawaii. Both theories have some support, especially considering the July 27th statement by that Hawaiian official.

2,269 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:29 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: jersey117

Just ask yourself which candidate got the most second place votes. That would be the ‘qualified President if Barry was ineligible and thus failed to qualify.


2,270 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Kenya became an independent country (Republic of Kenya) on Dec. 12, 1963.

You're wrong, it wasn't known as a Republic until December of 1964, a full year after it became independent.
2,271 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:36 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Danae
Tell what is fake?

I could color photo copy a 100 dollar bill back it, take a picture of it, and you could not tell from the picture that it was fake. Though clearly it IS a fake.

You can’t prove much about any document from a PICTURE of it. You certainly can’t tell if it is real or fake.

You can certainly tell if it is fake, or at least misrepresented, either deliberately or accidentally.

For example, if someone posted a document date stamped 2007 and asserted the was ordered in 2001, we would surely know that the underlying facts are not as asserted.

That should sound vaguely familiar to you.

If 0bama released his original Selective Service Registration, and it just happened to be on a form the SSA didn't use until two years after he signed and dated it, well, we'd know that's a fake wouldn't we?

He did do that, you know...

2,272 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:58 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 194 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: luvEastTenn

what did Rush say...he usually only jokes about it but doesn’t go in depth...like me he wants more definitive proof


2,273 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:58 AM PDT by chevydude26
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To: 1035rep

We have a breach in the sewer pipe.

Get out the RAT traps and RAID.


2,274 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:00 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: jveritas

jveritas is a troll. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963. Incredibly the 1964 date is beginning to show up on internet sources already this morning! Is this some type of leftist reaction to this document? Double check your source if you are convinced by the misinformation. Are they going to rewrite independence date of an entire nation of people? Maybe no one there will remember? Why don’t you change the date on the Declaration of Independence to July 4, 1777 while your at it?

http://africanhistory.about.com/b/2008/12/12/kenya-achieves-independence-12-december-1963.htm


2,275 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:03 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

How much do we want to bet Obama takes a sudden vacation?


2,276 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:11 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Neville72

What is that and where did you find it?


2,277 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:27 AM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: nathanbedford

On the other hand, I think the law is clear that ineligibility to hold the office vitiates the certification of election. So we will see.


2,278 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:38 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: Ahithophel

Huh?

lol..’halp’....all my google searches throw me into german language land. Who or what was Utrechtse Vroedschap?


2,279 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:44 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: nightlight7
It seems odd that the document number on the top is 47,044 considering that Obama is the 44th president and in 2008 he was 47 years old.

My mother always would catch things like this and she would go on and on about her discoveries, and they always were very interesting indeed. Now this Saturday, we will be having a memorial Mass for her as it has been one year since she died. When did she die? 08-08-08. She's still (in heaven, hopefully) smiling about this is my guess.
2,280 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:44 AM PDT by mlizzy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Danae; phil.jberg
Interesting grammar in this statement by phil.jberg:
"I thought cooler heads would prevail, but I have to step in here: first, the issue of the Kenyan BC: this was information the law offices of Phil Berg has before the 2008 election."

Judging from that one sentence, it appears to me that English is the not the native language of the poster.

2,281 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:57 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: rxsid
I've no time to scan this entire thread, but I did do some analysis and enhancement of the seal on the "Kenyan" document -- and the seal appears to bear a bust of England's queen (which could have been appropriate for the '60s)...


2,282 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:59 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: All

Read my lips....

It is about the birth certificate stupid!

Lol!


2,283 posted on 08/02/2009 11:54:09 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Scanian

The birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper does not provide an audit trail whatsoever. Birth announcements are frequently made by relatives and do not necessarily record the place of birth.


2,284 posted on 08/02/2009 11:54:17 AM PDT by balls ("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
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To: fireman15

jveritas is emphatically NOT a troll.


2,285 posted on 08/02/2009 11:54:27 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: BP2
Thought I would save this to my computer, Thumb drive, and server...and try and enhance it a little.


2,286 posted on 08/02/2009 11:55:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: dalight

The Obama administration has up till now used the “nuts and sluts” method of fighting the allegations, This “fake” if it is a fake is good enough to overcome that approach, putting them on the defensive


2,287 posted on 08/02/2009 11:55:18 AM PDT by woofie
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To: G8 Diplomat
It says “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become an independent republic until 1963, and wasn’t called “Republic of Kenya” until 1964. 0bama was born in 1961, when it was called the Dominion of Kenya.

In a couple of the more recent posts we have 1963 or 1964 as the official date for the use of “Republic of Kenya”

You got some resources to get a verifiacation of which might be the case....?

2,288 posted on 08/02/2009 11:55:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: plinyelder

You have to find the thread intro on the forum page. Views will be there before you click on the thread. welcome to FR.


2,289 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:04 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Onerom99
Not exactly. He can probably plead ignorance and have the media cover for him as assuming he was born in Hawaii. He can claim he didn’t know of the shenanigans his mother did to register the birth in the U.S.

He can try but, his BS would unravel under the intense scrutiny. Who would believe him Obama...but the extreme leftist Koolaid drinkers.

2,290 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:15 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Jeff Head

Nice work.


2,291 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Mount Athos

Yes, but something like birth certificates would be printed on forms, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility, knowing that they would need a lot of them, and to make them consistent, they would all be stamped with the Republic of Kenya the minute they started issuing them. At any rate, the ones recorded before and after, can be checked to see


2,292 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:47 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: nathanbedford

Nate, you are a lot smarter than me for sure but it seems like we still need to concern ourselves with WHY we can get rid of Hussein rather than HOW we will get rid of him. Could we be getting a little bit ahead of ourselves?

Verification of the available evidence, and perhaps amassing more evidence, seems to be the stage at which we find ourselves right now. Let’s see what Orly produces on her trip.

Of course, I am of the school of thought which says that Hussein doesn’t qualify simply on the basis of who his parents were, regardless of birthplace. But that theory (D’Onofrio’s) doesn’t seem to get much traction, even among FReepers.


2,293 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:50 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Royal Wulff

If jveritas is NOT a troll then he needs to check his facts before making ignorant statements.


2,294 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:20 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: jarofants
That copy is no longer up. Why? What happened to it? It was the same but with a tear in the paper. STRANGE!!!

It was a copy of the one still visible, made by FReeper Salamander to enlarge some print. It was taken down because people were confusing it for asnother document.

2,295 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:39 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: fireman15

jveritas is a long-time poster and not a troll. I think the point he was trying to make was that while Kenya became independent at the end of 1963, it didn’t declare itself a republic until the end of 1964.

My feeling is that it had to be known as something in the interim, and since it planned to be a republic, it may have referred to itself that way in internal documents, regardless of the fact that it wasn’t “official.” The only way to prove it either way would be to find an official Kenyan document from that same period.


2,296 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: TChad

When you receive a copy of an official documet there are two kinds, official and unofficial. Think college transcripts. The student copy contains no raised seal, while the official mailed to the recipient or sent to student in sealed envelope contains a raised college seal.


2,297 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:41 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: rolling_stone

But lying on his application should have mattered. He had used other names besides BHO.


2,298 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:48 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: 1000 silverlings

bookmark for later reading...


2,299 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:51 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.)
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To: Jeff Head

Still no commet about the line called “Christian name” whereas it omits the last name Obama.

The Christian name is listed as Barack Hussein. (No Obama)

Is this why Obama did not want to be called Hussein?

Was he intentionally denying his Christian name?

Or do I just not understand how the term ‘christian name’ is used?


2,300 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:59 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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