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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

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To: MeekOneGOP

Only 4425 posts and a day late, but what the hell ...

4,501 posted on 08/02/2009 10:09:00 PM PDT by Deepest End ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." - Thomas Paine)
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To: RubyR
I've been looking at some old newspapers and there is a reference to the republic of Kenya in the Nevada Journal June, 1964 and here is one from this Oswego, NY newspaper from Nov. 1963-


I wish I knew a way to trace back the history of all these websites quoting each other about the "Dominion of Kenya" versus "Republic of Kenya" matter. Well, I'm trying using Google advanced search to look for "Dominion of Kenya" year by year starting with Jan 1, 1990 to Jan 1, 1991, and so forth.

Okay, here are my results:
1990: No hits.
1991: No hits.
1992: No hits.
1993: No hits.
1994: No hits.
1995: No hits.
1996: No hits.
1997: No hits.
1998: No hits.
1999: No hits.
2000: No hits.
2001: No hits.
2002: No hits.
2003: 2 hits, both from
1. August 24, 2003. ( The actual page no longer has that reference nor even any reference to "Dominion."
2. October 21, 2003. ( "Dominion of Kenya" as hyperlink is listed as a "former country" under the Westminster-System. Clicking on the link connects to the page above in 1. with the following: "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2007)." Holding the cursor over the hypertext, though, opens a small window which says: "Motto Harambee(Swahili) Let us all pull together Anthem Ee Mungu Nguvu Yetu O God of All Creation Capital (and largest city) Nairobi Official languages Swahili (since 1963), English[1] Demonym Kenyan Government Republic  -  President Mwai Kibaki  -  Vice President Moody Awori Independence from the United Kingdom   -  Date December 12, 1963..." In view source there is this that is not visible on the page: "The Dominion of Kenya between 1963 and 1964." This "Dominion of Kenya" is also hyperlinked to 1. above.
2004: October 3, The Astute Bloggers: A piece from within the past 48 hours refers to 12 Dec, 1963 to 12 Dec, 1964 as "Dominion of Kenya" with the Queen of England as being the "incumbent" and has a hypertext link to a list of dates at within which is "1963 - Kenya gains its independence from the United Kingdom." The hypertext for "Kenya" links to www.statemaster,com/state/KE which is blank.

2005: Six hits, some of which are recent. Some of them are obviously reworded versions of 2004.

2006: Two hits
1. April 28, 2006. Waldo's Virginia Political Blogroll that appears to be quoting an earlier online source and refers the reader to a Wikipedia article which has a similar appearance to but now lists as head of state for "Dominion of Kenya" as Kenyatta for the 1963-1964 period instead of Queen Elizabeth. This page gives no source but has the similar hyperlink for a December 12 date as the www.nationmaster in 2003 above but which links to another Wikipedia page about Kenya that says nothing about "Dominion of Kenya."
2. November 13, 2006. African Affairs. What appears to be a scholarly journal link to a PDF ( that is taking too stinking long to download.
2007: One hit: This is a reworking of 2. in 2003 above, the hyperlink of "The Dominion of Kenya between 1963 and 1964" connects to which looks similar enough in content and layout (but with different fonts and background) to the Wikipedia article about Kenya to get a kid in school busted for plagiarism. For example:
Tripatlas: Prehistory. Paleontologists have discovered many fossils of prehistoric animals in Kenya. At one of the rare dinosaur fossil sites in Africa, two hundred Cretaceous theropod and giant crocodile fossils have been discovered in Kenya, dating from the Mesozoic Era, over 200 million years ago.

Wikipedia: Prehistory. Giant crocodile fossils have been discovered in Kenya, dating from the Mesozoic Era, over 200 million years ago. The fossils were found in an excavation conducted by a team from the University of Utah and the National Museums of Kenya in July–August 2004 at Lokitaung Gorge, near Lake Turkana.[9]

Tripatlas: Pre-colonial history. Cushitic-speaking people from northern Africa moved into the area that is now Kenya beginning around 2000 BC. Arab traders began frequenting the Kenya coast around the 1st century AD.

Wikipedia: Cushitic-speaking people, as termed by Schloezer, from northern Africa, moved into the area that is now Kenya beginning around 2000 BCE.[10] Arab traders began frequenting the Kenya coast around the 1st century CE.
2008: 10 hits, some of them very recent that reference this, most appear to be rehashes of previous web pieces. Some, like the Huffington Post, are already referencing "birthers." One of links is to the paper of that pdf mentioned above but available now through JSTOR. It is an article published in 1949 which I had found and referenced earlier in this thread and has nothing to do with the 1963-1964 period.

2009: >291 hits. Most are simply repeating what some of these others, without any support, have said earlier.

Bottom line: Combine this with what you've found from pre-internet news sources and we can see how people are simply repeating something that others found on the internet that appeared only a relatively short time ago with no supporting references at all. Most of the hits for this year are from people using the earlier, unsupported, references to prove that the Kenyan birth certificate cannot be real because of "Republic of Kenya." Your newspaper articles show otherwise.

But even better is the 1963 Kenyan Constitution. Here's how it begins (emphasis added):

Article 1

Kenya is a sovereign Republic.

Article 1A

The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state.

Article 2

The Public Seal of Kenya shall be such device as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

Article 2A

(Repeated by 12 of 1991, s. 2).

Article 3

This Constitution is the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya and shall have the force of law throughout Kenya and, subject to section 47, if any other law is inconsistent with this Constitution, this Constitution shall prevail and the other law shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.

4,502 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:00 PM PDT by aruanan
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As far as I’m concerned I believe BP2’s post are proving this document is most likely the real deal.

4,503 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:07 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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My gut still says HI but what’s on the BC that he doesn’t want us to see? Daddy is______________(fill in the blank).
Maybe Uncle Frank?

4,504 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:12 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: justiceseeker93
This might be as good as it got in Kenya, at the time. Remember that the large majority of Kenyan births would have been at home, unattended by any health care professional.

You're making an assumption about hospital births vs home births in Kenya at that time. It's been reported on this thread that the country had some very good hospitals in that day.

Besides, Coast General Hospital is clearly listed as Obama's birthplace on the certificate in question. As I and other have indicated, the document we're looking at clearly points to root records contained in another official registry, so it in itself is not the definitive record.

That's why I referred loosely to it in my other post as a "COLB" of sorts. It serves the same purpose as the Hawaiian COLB, but contains more information.

4,505 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: everyone

At this point, many people think it’s been debunked.

I’m going to wait until the court says or does something.

Heck, none of us, even those who claim to debunk via “Republic” or the province name or anything else, don’t know.

Anyone who went to this much trouble to produce a fake surely had sufficient smarts to know that the details had to be perfect.

Another mystery that no amount of speculation will solve. Only professional document examiners and Kenyan government officials, or scholars who know Kenyan history well, are going to be able to settle this one.

I’ve got to tune out for a while. There’ll be no more news tonight, boys and girls. Let’s all get some sleep.

4,506 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:18 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Kevmo

No impeachment is required, or possible. You can only impeach a legitimate office holder, and he would not be. He would not be President. He would be removed from the White House under court order.

4,507 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:25 PM PDT by John Valentine
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The plot continues to thicken! Looks like Obama's got some splainin to dooooo.

I am more convinced than ever that we must immediately dismantle the vast power of the Federal government and restore political power to the several states. These fools are destroying our country through lies, conspiracy, domestic terror against the citizens of the United States and destroying our economy and our currency by spending like madmen without the courage to raise taxes to pay for any of it, but, by borrowing the money form foreign interests to assure our political and economic collapse.

Call your congressperson and senators tomorrow and tell them that they need to resign.....NOW! And... states where free people still live... begin the process of dismantling the insanity in Washington DC or get out of the Union while there is still time. THIS MUST END NOW...

4,508 posted on 08/02/2009 10:11:33 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: thecodont

Biden replaces. Biden chooses Hillary as VP. Biden is “ill.”
President Clinton. She could have never won the election.

4,509 posted on 08/02/2009 10:11:33 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: mojitojoe
their ducks in a row

Exactly! Thanks for saying it!
4,510 posted on 08/02/2009 10:12:09 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Diggity

“If Obama is proven to have been born in Kenya then he will be kicked to the crub and ignored for the rest of his life.”

Don’t forget: Every piece of legislation has has signed would be invalid.

4,511 posted on 08/02/2009 10:12:45 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: jersey117

It gives them the perfect opportunity to put this whole thing to rest by producing the original long form B.C.
***There have been plenty of perfect opportunities to produce the long form BC.

If they don’t, it will only raise more questions about his legitimacy.
***He knew this was coming and he has a plan for stalling, avoiding discovery in trials, relying on democrats & press to do his dirty work and when we get close, they’ll be calling us racists. That’s how we know we’re making progress.

4,512 posted on 08/02/2009 10:13:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Eye of Unk

Looks like somebody left a booger on it.....come on people you know some of you thought the same thing! ;^)

...sorry for the levity...*sheepishly grinning*

4,513 posted on 08/02/2009 10:13:16 PM PDT by mkcc30 (Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
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To: Diggity

Ed Hale used him as a “cover” — he didn’t want to be known as the originator of the BC because he’s cried “Wolf!” many times before. He admitted it tonight over on Plains Radio. Or I should say that he claims that’s what happened. But then someone spilled the beans — it might even have been Orly — so he came clean.

Some rough screenshots are here:

4,514 posted on 08/02/2009 10:13:31 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: mojitojoe

Who checked several weeks worth of newspapers for the Nordyke announcements? This was months ago? Who wrote this up? Do you have a cite?

4,515 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:10 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Deepest End

hahahaa! :)

Zachary! :^D

4,516 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:22 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: Kevmo

[tongue in cheek] A civil war would go very well with the whole Zero = Lincoln thing...

4,517 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:33 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!

4,518 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MestaMachine

I can’t help but wonder why Berg’s “truth” squad is trying so hard to shoot it down.
I wondered the same thing. None of us can know for sure. We can only have an opinion at this point and I honestly don’t know. I called BS on it early one, when the thread began. Now I’m not so sure. I want to know where she got it. Not knowing that, I’m still skeptical.

4,519 posted on 08/02/2009 10:15:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: phil.jberg

Ok I think I am following you.

Oh the link you gave isn’t working...

Darker perspective.
API HALE, dBayGuy, Taitz - who is losing money. Trojan horse, COLB its hiding something else... You saying her argument is weak?

Lead me like the idiot I am. Because I am... lol

4,520 posted on 08/02/2009 10:15:33 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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