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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: MeekOneGOP

Only 4425 posts and a day late, but what the hell ...


4,501 posted on 08/02/2009 10:09:00 PM PDT by Deepest End ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." - Thomas Paine)
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To: RubyR
I've been looking at some old newspapers and there is a reference to the republic of Kenya in the Nevada Journal June, 1964 and here is one from this Oswego, NY newspaper from Nov. 1963-

Excellent!

I wish I knew a way to trace back the history of all these websites quoting each other about the "Dominion of Kenya" versus "Republic of Kenya" matter. Well, I'm trying using Google advanced search to look for "Dominion of Kenya" year by year starting with Jan 1, 1990 to Jan 1, 1991, and so forth.

Okay, here are my results:
1990: No hits.
1991: No hits.
1992: No hits.
1993: No hits.
1994: No hits.
1995: No hits.
1996: No hits.
1997: No hits.
1998: No hits.
1999: No hits.
2000: No hits.
2001: No hits.
2002: No hits.
2003: 2 hits, both from www.nationmaster.com
1. August 24, 2003. (www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Kenya) The actual page no longer has that reference nor even any reference to "Dominion."
2. October 21, 2003. (www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Westminster-System) "Dominion of Kenya" as hyperlink is listed as a "former country" under the Westminster-System. Clicking on the link connects to the page above in 1. with the following: "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2007)." Holding the cursor over the hypertext, though, opens a small window which says: "Motto Harambee(Swahili) Let us all pull together Anthem Ee Mungu Nguvu Yetu O God of All Creation Capital (and largest city) Nairobi Official languages Swahili (since 1963), English[1] Demonym Kenyan Government Republic  -  President Mwai Kibaki  -  Vice President Moody Awori Independence from the United Kingdom   -  Date December 12, 1963..." In view source there is this that is not visible on the page: "The Dominion of Kenya between 1963 and 1964." This "Dominion of Kenya" is also hyperlinked to 1. above.
2004: October 3, The Astute Bloggers: A piece from within the past 48 hours refers to 12 Dec, 1963 to 12 Dec, 1964 as "Dominion of Kenya" with the Queen of England as being the "incumbent" and has a hypertext link to a list of dates at www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/December-12 within which is "1963 - Kenya gains its independence from the United Kingdom." The hypertext for "Kenya" links to www.statemaster,com/state/KE which is blank.

2005: Six hits, some of which are recent. Some of them are obviously reworded versions of 2004.

2006: Two hits
1. April 28, 2006. Waldo's Virginia Political Blogroll that appears to be quoting an earlier online source and refers the reader to a Wikipedia article which has a similar appearance to www.statemaster.com but now lists as head of state for "Dominion of Kenya" as Kenyatta for the 1963-1964 period instead of Queen Elizabeth. This page gives no source but has the similar hyperlink for a December 12 date as the www.nationmaster in 2003 above but which links to another Wikipedia page about Kenya that says nothing about "Dominion of Kenya."
2. November 13, 2006. African Affairs. What appears to be a scholarly journal link to a PDF (http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/48/191/89.pdf) that is taking too stinking long to download.
2007: One hit: http://tripatlas.com/Westminster_system. This is a reworking of 2. in 2003 above, the hyperlink of "The Dominion of Kenya between 1963 and 1964" connects to tripatlas.com/kenya which looks similar enough in content and layout (but with different fonts and background) to the Wikipedia article about Kenya to get a kid in school busted for plagiarism. For example:
Tripatlas: Prehistory. Paleontologists have discovered many fossils of prehistoric animals in Kenya. At one of the rare dinosaur fossil sites in Africa, two hundred Cretaceous theropod and giant crocodile fossils have been discovered in Kenya, dating from the Mesozoic Era, over 200 million years ago.

Wikipedia: Prehistory. Giant crocodile fossils have been discovered in Kenya, dating from the Mesozoic Era, over 200 million years ago. The fossils were found in an excavation conducted by a team from the University of Utah and the National Museums of Kenya in July–August 2004 at Lokitaung Gorge, near Lake Turkana.[9]

Tripatlas: Pre-colonial history. Cushitic-speaking people from northern Africa moved into the area that is now Kenya beginning around 2000 BC. Arab traders began frequenting the Kenya coast around the 1st century AD.

Wikipedia: Cushitic-speaking people, as termed by Schloezer, from northern Africa, moved into the area that is now Kenya beginning around 2000 BCE.[10] Arab traders began frequenting the Kenya coast around the 1st century CE.
2008: 10 hits, some of them very recent that reference this, most appear to be rehashes of previous web pieces. Some, like the Huffington Post, are already referencing "birthers." One of links is to the paper of that pdf mentioned above but available now through JSTOR. It is an article published in 1949 which I had found and referenced earlier in this thread and has nothing to do with the 1963-1964 period.

2009: >291 hits. Most are simply repeating what some of these others, without any support, have said earlier.

Bottom line: Combine this with what you've found from pre-internet news sources and we can see how people are simply repeating something that others found on the internet that appeared only a relatively short time ago with no supporting references at all. Most of the hits for this year are from people using the earlier, unsupported, references to prove that the Kenyan birth certificate cannot be real because of "Republic of Kenya." Your newspaper articles show otherwise.

But even better is the 1963 Kenyan Constitution. Here's how it begins (emphasis added):
CHAPTER I- THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA

Article 1

Kenya is a sovereign Republic.

Article 1A

The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state.

Article 2

The Public Seal of Kenya shall be such device as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

Article 2A

(Repeated by 12 of 1991, s. 2).

Article 3

This Constitution is the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya and shall have the force of law throughout Kenya and, subject to section 47, if any other law is inconsistent with this Constitution, this Constitution shall prevail and the other law shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.

4,502 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:00 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: STARWISE

As far as I’m concerned I believe BP2’s post are proving this document is most likely the real deal.


4,503 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:07 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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My gut still says HI but what’s on the BC that he doesn’t want us to see? Daddy is______________(fill in the blank).
Maybe Uncle Frank?


4,504 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:12 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: justiceseeker93
This might be as good as it got in Kenya, at the time. Remember that the large majority of Kenyan births would have been at home, unattended by any health care professional.

You're making an assumption about hospital births vs home births in Kenya at that time. It's been reported on this thread that the country had some very good hospitals in that day.

Besides, Coast General Hospital is clearly listed as Obama's birthplace on the certificate in question. As I and other have indicated, the document we're looking at clearly points to root records contained in another official registry, so it in itself is not the definitive record.

That's why I referred loosely to it in my other post as a "COLB" of sorts. It serves the same purpose as the Hawaiian COLB, but contains more information.

4,505 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: everyone

At this point, many people think it’s been debunked.

I’m going to wait until the court says or does something.

Heck, none of us, even those who claim to debunk via “Republic” or the province name or anything else, don’t know.

Anyone who went to this much trouble to produce a fake surely had sufficient smarts to know that the details had to be perfect.

Another mystery that no amount of speculation will solve. Only professional document examiners and Kenyan government officials, or scholars who know Kenyan history well, are going to be able to settle this one.

I’ve got to tune out for a while. There’ll be no more news tonight, boys and girls. Let’s all get some sleep.


4,506 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:18 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Kevmo

No impeachment is required, or possible. You can only impeach a legitimate office holder, and he would not be. He would not be President. He would be removed from the White House under court order.


4,507 posted on 08/02/2009 10:10:25 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: STARWISE
The plot continues to thicken! Looks like Obama's got some splainin to dooooo.

I am more convinced than ever that we must immediately dismantle the vast power of the Federal government and restore political power to the several states. These fools are destroying our country through lies, conspiracy, domestic terror against the citizens of the United States and destroying our economy and our currency by spending like madmen without the courage to raise taxes to pay for any of it, but, by borrowing the money form foreign interests to assure our political and economic collapse.

Call your congressperson and senators tomorrow and tell them that they need to resign.....NOW! And... states where free people still live... begin the process of dismantling the insanity in Washington DC or get out of the Union while there is still time. THIS MUST END NOW...

4,508 posted on 08/02/2009 10:11:33 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: thecodont

Biden replaces. Biden chooses Hillary as VP. Biden is “ill.”
President Clinton. She could have never won the election.


4,509 posted on 08/02/2009 10:11:33 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: mojitojoe
their ducks in a row

Exactly! Thanks for saying it!
4,510 posted on 08/02/2009 10:12:09 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Diggity

“If Obama is proven to have been born in Kenya then he will be kicked to the crub and ignored for the rest of his life.”

Don’t forget: Every piece of legislation has has signed would be invalid.


4,511 posted on 08/02/2009 10:12:45 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: jersey117

It gives them the perfect opportunity to put this whole thing to rest by producing the original long form B.C.
***There have been plenty of perfect opportunities to produce the long form BC.

If they don’t, it will only raise more questions about his legitimacy.
***He knew this was coming and he has a plan for stalling, avoiding discovery in trials, relying on democrats & press to do his dirty work and when we get close, they’ll be calling us racists. That’s how we know we’re making progress.


4,512 posted on 08/02/2009 10:13:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Eye of Unk

Looks like somebody left a booger on it.....come on people you know some of you thought the same thing! ;^)

...sorry for the levity...*sheepishly grinning*


4,513 posted on 08/02/2009 10:13:16 PM PDT by mkcc30 (Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
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To: Diggity

Ed Hale used him as a “cover” — he didn’t want to be known as the originator of the BC because he’s cried “Wolf!” many times before. He admitted it tonight over on Plains Radio. Or I should say that he claims that’s what happened. But then someone spilled the beans — it might even have been Orly — so he came clean.

Some rough screenshots are here: http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=54427#p54427.


4,514 posted on 08/02/2009 10:13:31 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: mojitojoe

Who checked several weeks worth of newspapers for the Nordyke announcements? This was months ago? Who wrote this up? Do you have a cite?


4,515 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:10 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Deepest End

hahahaa! :)

Zachary! :^D


4,516 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:22 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: Kevmo

[tongue in cheek] A civil war would go very well with the whole Zero = Lincoln thing...


4,517 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:33 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


4,518 posted on 08/02/2009 10:14:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MestaMachine

I can’t help but wonder why Berg’s “truth” squad is trying so hard to shoot it down.
__________
I wondered the same thing. None of us can know for sure. We can only have an opinion at this point and I honestly don’t know. I called BS on it early one, when the thread began. Now I’m not so sure. I want to know where she got it. Not knowing that, I’m still skeptical.


4,519 posted on 08/02/2009 10:15:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: phil.jberg

Ok I think I am following you.

Oh the link you gave isn’t working...

Darker perspective.
API HALE, dBayGuy, Taitz - who is losing money. Trojan horse, COLB its hiding something else... You saying her argument is weak?

Lead me like the idiot I am. Because I am... lol


4,520 posted on 08/02/2009 10:15:33 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: aruanan
But even better is the 1963 Kenyan Constitution. Here's how it begins (emphasis added): CHAPTER I- THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA Article 1 Kenya is a sovereign Republic.

Hi Aruanan!!! Congratulations, you are the 342 freeper to link a 1998 modern, amended version of the Kenyan constitution and misrepresent it as being the 1963 one. BZZZZZT

Debunked for the umpteenth time. The 1963 does not call Kenya a republic anywhere. The head of state is the Queen of England, not a republic.
4,521 posted on 08/02/2009 10:15:40 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Diggity
She has already done that or she would face disbarment for knowingly presenting a document as fact in a suit when she was not sure of its authenticity.

I concur with that.

4,522 posted on 08/02/2009 10:15:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: sometime lurker
Ask yourself if you were the mother of a boy grown to manhood, would you make a nonsensical comment like 'Yes I was present when I gave birth to my son.' ... The grandmother wouldn't either!

WOSG is an agent provacateur for the wrong wing of obamachicken.

4,523 posted on 08/02/2009 10:16:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Diggity

He’ll go on Oprah like all the lying authors do. “Authentic experiences” without the “Authenticity”.


4,524 posted on 08/02/2009 10:16:29 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: John Valentine

Yes, unless he resigns. And I believe that is very possible. Dr. Jack Wheeler believes it will be just like Nixon...he was advised to resign and that is what Wheeler believes will happen with this usurper.


4,525 posted on 08/02/2009 10:16:46 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Fred Nerks

He probably just guessed / made it up. Notice he has dozens of footnotes in that chapter, but no footnote for that particular claim.


4,526 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:00 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Kevmo

and if it means he simply steps down, he still has a heckuva career as an internationalist politician & former president,
_______________
I have to disagree. He is a Pathological Narcissist. The shame would make an old man out of him in a year.


4,527 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:05 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: AmericanVictory

And you could only say that if you’re not familiar with how congress works when it comes time to impeach one of their own ilk.


4,528 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:23 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: STARWISE; Fiddlstix; PhilDragoo; Liz; onyx; potlatch; devolve; MEG33; Grampa Dave; Lady Jag; ...

Give ‘em heck, Dude!

And when RUSH Limbaugh puts it out there, you better
start to believe it’s the REAL deal! :)


4,529 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:27 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: 2harddrive
I believe that some Kenyan officials were BRIBED to release the thuth - the evidence.

Well, it's fun to speculate about the back-story, but we need to keep that sort of thing in perspective. In time, the story of where this came from, and how it was obtained will surely come out.

4,530 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: John Valentine

:)


4,531 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:41 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Technical Editor

You may have recponded to this to me on a nother post two. I post this twce.

You mentioned Ed Hale and I didn’t know who he was. So are you suggested that the ebay guy was a shill for Ed Hale and it was actually Ed that is providing this??

Thanks,

John


4,532 posted on 08/02/2009 10:17:44 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: everyone

Sorry, I guess you’ll have to register at PJ to view that.


4,533 posted on 08/02/2009 10:18:03 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Fred Nerks

Think it was Malcom? I think that Uncle Frank had a thing for Ann. BO was the result and what a more bohemian thing to do than find a willing non-citizen to “marry”.


4,534 posted on 08/02/2009 10:18:32 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: MHGinTN

Damn MHG, I missed that. You are right, there are staple holes. My guess is removed from the divorce papers.


4,535 posted on 08/02/2009 10:18:54 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: phil.jberg

Wait.

What if it isn’t a Trojan horse.

The only way to KNOW is to see Hawaiian records.

Uphill battle sure. Obama is so compromised that he is a pawn of everyone..... oh..... The new wrld bastards aren’t going to let their mouse off the claw that easy.


4,536 posted on 08/02/2009 10:19:24 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Diggity
She has already done that or she would face disbarment for knowingly presenting a document as fact in a suit when she was not sure of its authenticity.

Orly's law school wasn't exactly the most prestigious in the country. She can't be disbarred if she never passed the bar.

4,537 posted on 08/02/2009 10:19:39 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Eye of Unk; mojitojoe
No, no, no.

A fellow FReeper made the image on the right in an attempt to clean it up to see it better and remove the back round, that's why it is torn. He is admittedly not Photoshop adept

Please pass this along!!

4,538 posted on 08/02/2009 10:19:59 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: STARWISE

I wonder, could the second oath Barry took with the pirate John Roberts have been swearing to the Chief Justice that he was indeed eligible? ... Was Roberts doing a CYA oath in case the bastard was lying and eventually get caught?


4,539 posted on 08/02/2009 10:20:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yes, sir! :)


4,540 posted on 08/02/2009 10:20:25 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: machogirl

Doesn’t work for me, why? Because I have seen no evidence, not in more than a year of research, that Stanley Ann ever set foot in Hawaii after she graduated in the summer of 1960.


4,541 posted on 08/02/2009 10:21:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: machogirl
Maybe Uncle Frank?

If Frank is papa then a good legal case can be made that Barry is a Natural Born U.S. Citizen even if born in Kenya.

4,542 posted on 08/02/2009 10:21:44 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: phil.jberg

We never saw that one, it was never posted anywhere I know of.


4,543 posted on 08/02/2009 10:21:57 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MHGinTN

Could it be that this document came from one of Barack senior’s widows, as perhaps a revenge on Stanley Ann or Barack for not ‘doing more for his family in Kenya’?
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HMMMMMM! They were pissed that he went to Ghana instead of Kenya recently. You never know. That damn document sure looks real. If it’s not, someone did a really good job.


4,544 posted on 08/02/2009 10:22:01 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Same document, different filters. Look at the folds. The same areas pouf out and the same areas are recessed. It’s the very same document, with just different light effects.


4,545 posted on 08/02/2009 10:22:14 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: japaneseghost

I suppose the same goes for Hawaii. Does anyone know if he played outside or hid in his room as a kid? There’s a couple pictures of him outside smiling at the camera in Hawaii. The only other thing I’ve seen is some Indonesian kids gave him some icky chocolate but that doesn’t shed any light on playing outside or not. As a teen he played basketball but that could be an inside or an outside sport. Did he play another other sport or was basketball simply his high school PE credit?


4,546 posted on 08/02/2009 10:22:34 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Windflier

Odinga has ticked many Kenyans off. But then again, it would be easy for Obama-operatives to scrub for a price.


4,547 posted on 08/02/2009 10:23:08 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
I admitted it from the beginning, so what is your problem?

I asked for information, which others quickly, quietly and respectively provided without any harassment.


Because it was covered multiple times in the 3800 posts previously (as well as high school history). Why not read them first? This was not harassment. It was a simple admission of truth on your part. I'm still reading "every" post and have another 200 to go. If the majority of Freepers would do just that, they would have come to an entirely different opinion on the veracity of the document. My conclusion after reading "every" post and doing my own research is that there are no deal breakers at this point. The timeline stands. The document has yet to be proven a "fraud" in the way "KOS" would like. It may well have been a fraud during the divorce process to determine paternity.
4,548 posted on 08/02/2009 10:23:16 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Kevmo

Zero couldn’t care less about history.

His only goal is his Marxist agenda.


4,549 posted on 08/02/2009 10:23:21 PM PDT by Deepest End ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." - Thomas Paine)
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To: Poincare

Yabbut, who would have voted for him? He’d be a liar... untrustworthy, you know, all the things we have known that he truly is.


4,550 posted on 08/02/2009 10:24:23 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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