Thanks for the ping... Pass the popcorn please.
Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
Are y’all still pushing that ‘Hawaiian officials are incompetent’ line, too, besides smearing Polarik in a team effort?
But according to Washington university records, she used Dunham after she was “married”. (if she ever was that is) Why not use “Obama” at Washington U?
Ahh.
I’ve flown to Africa (Tanzania) several times. The only other scheduled route is through Australia, a long, long way around.
Each time, I’ve had to stop and change flights in London.
What we don't know is whether a forgery would be more or less likely to have staple holes than an authentic 45 year old BC.
Also, have staples always had the same width? Can we say anything about the era in which it was stapled from the staple width?
Yes,...that bugs the hell out of me...
thanks, that could still leave the possibility of something stapled to it later such as by an attorney in the states?
Let's just hope that enough comparisons can been gathered without the help of the Kenyan government and an audit trail can be examined. At this point, Obama's parents divorce records should be unsealed. If it was good enough for Blair Hull and Jack Ryan it's good enough for Obama.
I think the assumptions that were made were that it was, back in 1964, created because of the divorce case. It was requested by Obama’s mom’s lawyer because the lawyer assumed that there was a possibility that Obama’s dad might contest the divorce. As it turned out, Obama’s dad didn’t contest the divorce.
Anyway, to be safe, Obama’s mom’s lawyer requested the document. He probably opened it up, looked at it and put it back in the envelope. He probably put the envelope in a folder, the folder in an expanding folder (maybe?) and the folder in a file cabinet. After a while, the old files were placed in a box and put in storage, somewhere else, where they sat for many years.
How they were found? More difficult. Someone looking for Obama documents found out who the lawyer was for Obama’s mom, and guessed that firm would still have old files somewhere. They went to the warehouse and looked through the boxes of files and found the doc.
Maybe something like that.
Maybe some guys in a law office were sitting around chatting about politics when the subject came up about birthers. And then one of the older guys in the firm recalled something about a Dunham case way back in the day.
I think it’s very possible that the case was forgotten at the law firm for years. It’s very possible that no one who worked at the firm in 1964 is working at the law firm now in 2009. But the files don’t necessarily disappear.
I had no problem in getting all the information!!
I also sent her 50 bucks yesterday, she needs money from us!!!
But that was never shown!!!
The current case will turn entirely on whether the original document is where it's supposed to be. Pixel torture's not going to do it.
... the “Republic of Kenya” existed before the the “Republic of Kenya” existed?
YEP, I agree with you. If they hadn't declared their sovereignty, they probably would have been annexed by Zanzibar. It would appear that the “ten-mile strip” began calling itself the “Republic of Kenya” sometime after October 5, 1963, a good 14 months before the existing "Republic of Kenya" was recognized.
I’ve spent hours this afternoon and evening trying to catch up with this thread......I GIVE UP.
Well, finally, someone else sees the holes I've been asking about since this morning. And there's a large enough pic to see there's probably not an indentation but can't really tell. I haven't bothered to check for measurements either.
Yes, If you didn't attach the pages together, once they were rolled through the roller, they wouldn't match up and your carbon pages would be typed on the wrong lines. It was a royal pain.
However, I don't think that was done in this case. If anything, it was attached to another paper only temporarily because with any passage of time, those staples would leave rust marks. Paper clips from those days also left rust marks in no time which may be why we have plastic coated ones today.
The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 – Summer 1966
Fall 1972 – Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 – Summer 1992
First of all, the first line of the letter has been altered from the original, which had nothing about ‘(First day of instruction 9/26/1960)’ written on it, that was added by someone else later.
Fall 1960 then becomes an enrollment date. Calling it ‘Dates of Attendance’ is misleading. Why? Because NO ONE EVER SAW HER IN HAWAII.
And just what Spring 1963 - Summer 1966 proves, is debatable. AGAIN, NO ONE SAW HER! The only first hard evidence we have that she was in Hawaii is when she applied for divorce in January 1964.
I do not plan to telephone anyone in Hawaii. What will I get for a reply? What-ever is written in a record book that follows the dates on the letter?
Don’t tell me that after all this time, you are still following the narrative of ‘Dreams From My Father’?
(Started in June...Kenya was to be a republic in 6 months)
June+6 months =DEC of 63
How Kenya’s Flag Was Designed.
The Nation (Kenya)
December 09, 2006
(From The Nation (Kenya) - AAGM)
Byline: John Kamau
Immediately after independence in 1963, Kanu wanted its flag to become the national one. But the ever cautious Thomas Joseph Mboya, the Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister at the time, decided that this was too risky and the party leaders secretly crafted one that looked almost similar.
Police were also given orders to arrest anybody who showed disrespect to the national flag.
Incidentally, many Kenyans do not know why the national flag is protected, or why it is illegal to fly it on our roof tops. In fact, anybody selling miniature flags risks prosecution.
It has all got to do with Mr Mboya who asked the Kenyatta Cabinet to protect the flag after it emerged that some settlers - and Kadu fanatics - were mocking it even before it was unveiled.
Mr Mboya also wanted words such as harambee, madaraka and jamhuri protected from abuse. There was a recurrence of this in 1979 when President Moi gazetted nyayo as a protected word.
History books
But how did Kenya settle for the current flag? It is a story that one will hardly find in the history books; in fact, it has not been included in the school lessons.
It all started in June 1963 when Mr Mboya called President Kenyatta’s office and told him that if Kenya was to become a republic in six months, which Kadu dismissed as laughable, they needed to get a new flag, an emblem and a national anthem.
First, Mr Mboya wanted Mzee to call an urgent Cabinet meeting to tackle the issue, although some of his colleagues wanted Kenya to simply adopt the Kanu flag.
It was feared that registering a new flag and having it approved by the British queen, then the head of state, would take much longer, and that there was the risk of Kenya becoming a republic without a national flag.
In fact, Mr Mboya was opposed to the adoption of the Kanu flag, arguing that there might be “unpleasant incidents” during the independence celebrations.
“While there is some justification in simply adopting the party flag for this purpose, such a course would undoubtedly give rise to considerable bitterness and resentment in certain quarters, and this would lead to unpleasant incidents,” he told the Cabinet.
“This danger would be particularly marked at the independence flag-raising ceremony, which is a strong emotional event, and any commotion here would be most unfortunate as the ceremony will receive the widest international publicity.”
It is not clear who floated the idea of the Kanu flag becoming the national one, but reading through minutes of deliberations of the inter-ministerial committee one sees the hand of Kanu hardliners - who later came together as the so-called Kiambu mafia led by Mr Mboya’s Cabinet colleagues James Gichuru, Mbiyu Koinange and Njoroge Mungai.
Good opportunity
“The national flag must be a symbol of unity and freedom,” Mr Mboya submitted in one of the papers. But he still wanted the Kanu flag to have its place in the Kenyan history and this, he thought, was a good opportunity. The papers show that he suggested that the national flag have the same design as Kanu’s - complete with the colours.”
This, however, was not an original idea; in fact, he had copied it from Tanganyika and Uganda which had modified the winning parties’ flags to become the national ones. “It is not without significance that our neighbours, Tanganyika and Uganda, both saw it fit to use the ruling party flag simply as a basis for the national flag,” he said in defence of his mischief.
The opposition Kadu (Kenya African Democratic Union), led by Mr Daniel arap Moi and Mr Ronald Ngala, had always threatened to scuttle the celebrations as they demanded a delay of the republican status.
But the ever wise Mr Mboya came up with a suggestion to mollify Kadu. Since the flags of the opposition party and Kanu were almost similar, why not merge all the colours in one flag? he argued.
Fortunately, Kanu and Kadu have flags that are similar in design,” he later wrote to Mzee and the Cabinet. “Both have three horizontal bands and two similar colours - black and green. The difference lies only in the third colour - red for Kanu and white for Kadu.
“It would be a wise and unifying act of grace to have all the colours in the national flag. It would also save the country any unpleasant incidents, bitterness and resentment.”
But there was the question of if it was appropriate to have white to represent the multiracial society. White was the third major colour in the Kadu flag and Mr Mboya suggested that it be retained as a “small strip” separating the others.
The onus of selecting the colours was left to Mr Dawson Mwanyumba, the then Kanu Taita chairman and minister for Works, Communication and Power. Unlike the other Kanu leaders, Mr Mwanyumba was a moderate. And it was his small team that decided that white be included.
“It would be a magnanimous gesture towards our political opponents and would be an act tending to unity rather than dissension, “ Mr Mwanyumba told the Cabinet.
The Cabinet had earlier suggested that gold be a tiny strip separating the major colours. But Mr Mwanyumba, on June 26, told Cabinet colleagues that “the inclusion of gold strips does not go far enough (in pacifying the opposition),” and described it as a “shortcoming which may well arouse bitter and resentful feelings.”
The Cabinet adopted white to denote the multiracial society and pacify Kadu, but the ministers decided to have a different meaning for the colour. Black was to denote the people of Kenya, red the struggle for freedom, white unity and peace and green agriculture and natural resources.
Having thus conspired against Kadu and downgraded its main colour and the vision of a multiracial state into a small strip, the next hurdle for Kanu was the queen.
Since registering a new national flag would take more than six months, Mzee and his Cabinet conspired to have the flags manufactured even before the queen approved the final design. The idea was sold to the Cabinet by Mr Mboya who argued that time was not on Kenya’s side.
Distributed by AllAfrica Global Media. (allafrica.com)
Shhhh, you’ll alert the wrong people to the continuing search for the real bio father.
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I noticed a while back some of you guys seemed to be questioning Dr. Orly’s law degree. That’s Obot stuff. They have done everything they can think of to destroy her. Go here to her official site:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
There is a picture of her degree that can be blown up.
This website will answer almost any other questions you may have about her.
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The kos kindergarten kids are throwing fits. They want to call the law because they think Orly’s site is attacking their computers. I am laughing so hard I’m crying. What a bunch of freakin’ idiots.
at least one of the attorneys is still active...I wont post the name....
It looks similar to my old 1931 Danish Birth Certificate, and later copies. We don't use nurses or doctor's signature in Europe (?) (Scandinavia) to make it a Long Form Birth Certificate
I will be honest. I have no idea.
Star, did you ever get to bed?
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I did .. HAD to .. slept about 4-1/2 to 5 hrs.
Is this really Obama’s Kenyan B.C.?
(Even if it is we will be told it is not
Ok, it will be our secret. ;)
His poor girls when they have to do a genealogy project in school. That family tree is going to have a forest.
Honest disclosure: I do not wish for Obama to be proven to be a US citizen for the reason that he has demonstrated an antipathy toward this country, its people, our history, our culture, our laws, our established way of life, our traditions, and above all, our Constitution.
That being said, I don't actually wish for him to be proven to be a Kenyan citizen, but am willing to accept that he may be so, in which case, I fully support his removal from office.
I'm also willing to accept that he is indeed an American citizen by birth, but I do not hold to the concept that he is eligible to hold the office of President, because of the nationality of his father.
Polarik made NO claims on this thread today. I
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Yes, he did. He posted here earlier.
They have to have something on file. The COLB can not be generated if there is no file.
That is a good question, I wondered too who needed a copy in 1964 and for why???
how did she get a degree if she didnt attend?
(singsong voice...) The LOOOOVE boat... soon will be making another run....
I think this whole thing began back during the skerry convention. That is when the dems started pushing o for president, and he hadn’t even been elected senator yet.
Clinton had the PERFECT candidate and nearly 100% of the black vote. Clinton helped establish the National Welfare Rights org in Arkansas which ended up morping into ACORN.
Add the Chicago thugocracy which he had long ties with via Hillary, and you had the mother of all conspiracies in the palm of your greedy, powermad hands.
Hill and Bill had Rezko long before obama ever hit a Chicago street.
Every single appointee in the o admin is a clintonista. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
GREG CRAIG is the white tent legal council. He’s the liason. Rahm is the enforcer. I am telling you, there is so much evidence for this I can’t even begin to go into it on one post. I have posted about this before, including the deal that was swung into motion for the financial meltdown.
On my profile page is the chronology in picyure without explanations.They are pretty self explanatory.
I am praying to GOD this BC is authentic. But it doesn’t soothe my fear over what might follow.
Truth is something you haven’t a clue for! You have presented as authentic a spliced tape in which Barry’s Kenyan grandmother states she was present at his birth in Mombassa, with an added piece of interview done later when someone got to the poor elderly lady and had her recant. There were several days between the first interview and the second from which the xtra was lifted to change the original interview meaning. A woman, even an elderly grandmother wouldn’t satte that she was present when her son was born you fool! Lie on some other site.
Ok, i just went and signed up for #30 a month. thanks
Melissa
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Wonderful !
Thanks for the reminder, Danae
Start reading here tomorrow.
Lol thats ok, but now you must get us another shrubbery!
NI! LOL
Ok My cat almost died this afternoon and evening and I am running on 2 hrs of broken sleep... And I have the love boat theme running in my mind. Do I need a Drink??
Survery SAYS!
Yes! Woo hooo for 100!
LOL
We all make mistakes :)
;) Thank you ..
I was just reading about “Joe the Plumber” and how the left totally trashed him for asking an innocent question, went into his background to dig dirt, tried to claim he was a dirt bag for being unlicensed. They are scum.
We used to employ plumbers and they worked under our license. This is the way it’s done. The taxes Joe supposedly owed were recent and he had no way of knowing about them not to mention they were a pittance compared to zero’s cabinet members taxes. And these bastards claim to be for the little guy. NOT
Orly of course would get the full treatment if they could bring themselves to expound on the issue.
I was just reading about “Joe the Plumber” and how the left totally trashed him for asking an innocent question, went into his background to dig dirt, tried to claim he was a dirt bag for being unlicensed. They are scum.
We used to employ plumbers and they worked under our license. This is the way it’s done. The taxes Joe supposedly owed were recent and he had no way of knowing about them not to mention they were a pittance compared to zero’s cabinet members taxes. And these bastards claim to be for the little guy. NOT
Orly of course would get the full treatment if they could bring themselves to expound on the issue.
Thanks for the ping to Ckilmer’s excellent 3465. Great job, Ckilmer.
on the thread started by JimRob...he expressed skepticism that Lavender was a soap ....post on the thread at #566 has a photo showing an Eric Lavender at a conference in Nairobi ...
Keep in mind this was published in April of 1961 from a Missouri newspaper. Apparently the usage of the "Republic of Kenya" was not uncommon.
That is the purpose of this post. Please discuss.
Maybe for the adoption to Lolo Soetoro, or Madelyn for kindergarten, etc.???
Thanks, but see post 4694 above.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9694026/Obama-64-Divorce-Decree-Plains-Radio
DIVORCE DOCS. EIGHT PAGES OF PAGES NUMBERED FROM ONE TO TWELVE.
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