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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: the invisib1e hand

This is completely nuts. Over 4600 posts to a thread which begins with nothing but yet another in a long parade of evidence-free claims that some self-promoter has come up with “proof” that Obama is not eligible to be POTUS! Did any of the 9/11 threads even get this long?

I really worry about the direction FR is heading in. There’s nowhere near this much interest in Obama’s health care proposal, which is 100% real and could do serious and irreparable harm to our nation.


4,701 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:01 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Danae

Na - na - what did we agree to a couple days ago???


4,702 posted on 08/02/2009 11:27:23 PM PDT by danamco
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To: John Valentine; MHGinTN; LucyT; Red Steel; pissant
I know the bureaucratic hapits and procedures for many countries and have observed how certain common features of office procedures were bequeathed by the Brits on their former colonies. They did NOT use staples. Staples were still rare and not used in Government offices until well into the 1990s to my personal knowledge, and I suspect still.


I was rather surprised ... staples have been around a LONG time ... and became more common after WWII.

Antique Staplers & Other Paper Fasteners -- the History of Staplers

1870s ~ Individual Preformed Staples: The first desktop machine designed to fasten papers by inserting and clinching metallic staples was patented in 1877 (US. Patent No. 195,603). A number of the earliest machines held only one preformed wire staple at a time and had to be reloaded each time they were used. The photo to the right shows one such machine, a McGill Single-Stroke Staple Press No. 1, which was patented in 1879 and advertised during 1880-1909. To see several single-staple machines, click here.

OldStaplers.com reports that in 1868 and 1874, before the development of machines that both inserted and clinched staples, two patents were issued for machines that inserted, but that did not clinch, staples.

4,703 posted on 08/02/2009 11:28:07 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: STARWISE

I have decided to stop doing the anonymous donations and just own up to my addiction with a Monthly donation of 30 bucks. It beats the crappola x2 out of world of WarCraft! LOL


4,704 posted on 08/02/2009 11:28:37 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: WVNan
I’ve spent hours this afternoon and evening trying to catch up with this thread......I GIVE UP.

Well, it's closing in on 5,000 posts.

But the question is really simple. The questioned document cites a book and a page and declares certain facts are contained therein. Thus, we don't really have to question the document. All we have to do is find the cited book and page and see if it asserts the claimed facts.

The reason the thread is so damned long is, nobody is content to wait for Orly to go across the pond and fail to find the cited document. Instead, everyone is convinced they already know the outcome.

4,705 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:21 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: danamco

Did I miss a “No love boat” restriction or something?

Cookie? ;)


4,706 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:34 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Mashman

If Obama does come up with his “original” HI BC, it’ll have Obama’s mom’s sig on it, right? So what you’re saying is we’ll want handwriting samples of Obama’s mom and Obama’s grandma? We’re thinking that Obama’s mom’s handwriting is gonna look a lot like Obama’s grandma’s handwriting?


4,707 posted on 08/02/2009 11:29:51 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: mojitojoe
What is that and where did you find it?

As to the first question, it is a fraudulent graphical political joke... the watermarked security paper says, in Dutch or Afrikaans, "This is not a legitimate government document. It is political commentary."

4,708 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:06 PM PDT by Swordmaker (remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: danamco

as for who needed one, most likely Ann. But its hard to say, could have been Sr.


4,709 posted on 08/02/2009 11:30:36 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: rolling_stone

I did not say she did not attend.

I dispute the dates.


4,710 posted on 08/02/2009 11:31:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: John Valentine
Did you read post 4121? A private communication was not posted there. His words:

I also found a number of anomalies that shout, "Forgery." It's a government document saying the birth happened and that a birth certificate exists -- or pretty much like Obama's bogus Hawaiian COLB.

I'll keep you posted on what else we find.


Why post a private communication and not the actual link for what he said?
4,711 posted on 08/02/2009 11:31:27 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Danae

It was something around 4waypasttotalcoherence .. AM this morning .. LOL

It’s 1:30am .. like 21 hrs. since this started .. and I’m just HALFWAY thru the dang thread @!!

I haven’t checked the other “might be fake bc” thread .. anything new about that ?


4,712 posted on 08/02/2009 11:31:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: machogirl

Hillary is using Book 44B as a coffee table?


4,713 posted on 08/02/2009 11:32:43 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: rolling_stone

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/


4,714 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:36 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: meadsjn
He doesn't give diddly squat about being "fondly remembered" for anything.

No, what others think of him means nothing. It's only what he thinks of himself that matters.

4,715 posted on 08/02/2009 11:34:23 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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Eyes are almost swollen shut. Pick it up here for tomorrow.


4,716 posted on 08/02/2009 11:35:06 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: MHGinTN

“A woman, even an elderly grandmother wouldn’t satte that she was present when her son was born you fool! “

yet that is what the birthers claim she said.

What the full interview said is she said he was born in Hawaii. that is the truth.


4,717 posted on 08/02/2009 11:36:24 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Windflier
That is how a birth certificate exactly looks like in the old countries!

That is the kind of B.C. I ONLY could present to with my immigration application papers!!

If we had had COLBS like in the U.S., my application would never have been accepted, so please get of the horse that this is only a Colb!!!

4,718 posted on 08/02/2009 11:37:07 PM PDT by danamco
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To: the anti-liberal
No more suspicious than only his record is missing from the kindergarten class.
4,719 posted on 08/02/2009 11:38:01 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: STARWISE

Not really. Other than what I Could research on my own today. Lavender is not an uncommon name in England. To an Eric Frank Lavender is not out of the realm of possibility. I don’t know that is what the EF stands for. But again, the names ought to be rather easy to track down on an official level, buy employment records.

There will be other records in the area as well of such a person, other avenues of search other than just the Government.


4,720 posted on 08/02/2009 11:38:28 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I really worry about the direction FR is heading in. There’s nowhere near this much interest in Obama’s health care proposal, which is 100% real and could do serious and irreparable harm to our nation.

This is the process. If this is a rabbit trail, it's a rabbit trail. What, better to dismiss a question that nobody has adequately answered, least of all the man himself?

For the record, I remain agnostic on the BC issue (though this development is tempting). I suggest reading the Andrew McCarthy (hope I got his name right) piece in NRO a few days ago. It really isn't about the birth certificate, ultimately. It's about the president's accountability to the people and to the constitution.

The very onslaught of obfuscation from the those who say the birthers are fruitcakes is enough to demand an open mind.

4,721 posted on 08/02/2009 11:39:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks! That helps. The goal post on this thread keep moving. Almost at the end.


4,722 posted on 08/02/2009 11:40:57 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: bgill

Ha. I can picture that. He must have something damning on the Clintons. I thought for sure Hill was a shoo-in for the nomination. Whatever Barry had trumps BC.


4,723 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:21 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: PA Engineer

He was quoting other posters.


4,724 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:23 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: rxsid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH9Q9DVTMCY


4,725 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:44 PM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Danae; STARWISE

source link

4,726 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:49 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: MestaMachine

Oh it’s worse than that. Hedge fund shorts like Soros, John Paulson, Flowers, D.E. Shaw etc where waiting to attack to take the banks and financial svcs companies down. Rham and Gorelnick had been at Fannie and Freddie post Clinton to por the gasoline everywhere; leave and light the match before going out the door. Summers was working at D.E. Shaw. They all knew the garbage the banks were stuffed with.

The match was lit in the late summer of 2008. The pressure in the markets to destroy these companies coul dbe magnified in Chicago at the CBOE, CBOT, CME, etc. with options, futures and credit default swaps. They wiped out the markets, McCain and made tens of billions.


4,727 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:22 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: John Valentine

Just because Brits didn’t use staples in ‘64 doesn’t mean that sometime in the past 40+ years it wasn’t stapled to something.


4,728 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:00 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Danae

Stop that! You’re making me want snickerdoodles ... and it’s too late here to be eating cookies and drinking milk!


4,729 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Danae

You want to give your WOW tokens or whatever they are called, to my boys?

Supposedly people in China play it all day to get as many “whatevers” they can and then they “sell” them black market.


4,730 posted on 08/02/2009 11:44:43 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: bgill
...hasn't this been a nice pleasant thread without them. ;)

It really has been.

Instead of the thread descending into a battle royale over minutiae and previously debunked claims, people have been able to peacefully contribute to the slow but steady process of intelligent analysis, which is predictably yielding results.

4,731 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:08 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Man the phones tomorrow, use faxzero.com for 2 free faxes per day contacting in-state and DC offices. Do it every day and get friends, relatives, neighbors and others doing it.

Also go to townhall meetings and bring everyone you know especially seniors.

Also stop whining about the BC.


4,732 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Plutarch
Credit to Plutarch. That picture should be posted here also. Thanks again for the ping and pointer.


4,733 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:34 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: BP2

I have learned more about staples than I could have dreamed of. ;)


4,734 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:52 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: sonic109
Do you have one scintilla of proof or evidence to back up your claim. Do you? Its a distraction . Alinsky: “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Well, I have the fact that Obama will NOT release his long-form Hawaii BC and we have a Kenyan BC which is either authentic or a very, very good forgery.

And you have?

A quote of Salinksy.

Impressive? Not so much.

And you ignored the rest of my post because you evidently don't have an answer. You think this is a distraction? For whom? People are raising hell at Congressional town hall meetings, Obama is greeted by protestors where ever he goes, and his poll numbers are falling dramatically. And you think these things will IMPROVE for Obama if more and more people become convinced that Obama is not even eligible to be President?

Are you serious?

And this is happening WITHOUT the GOP officials, politicians, or pundits getting behind the BC issue.

If this is some "Salinsky" strategy, it has been a complete disaster thus far and has blown up in the leftists faces.

A growing number of people want the BC issue settled, and that's WITHOUT the GOP getting involved. Their hands are clean.

If it's proven to be true, people will know it wasn't a GOP plan. If it's proven to be false and a set up by the left, again the GOPs hands are clean and the dems look dirty, as they will be guilty of nearly causing a constitutional crisis. For what? To make republicans look bad? Yeah, that will really sway the independents to the left, won't it.

Again, I assert that you give the left way too much credit to have some great, master plan to string us along only to "snatch" it away at some point. When will that be? When O's approval is at 40%? 30%? 20%? Yeah, riiiiight.

Face it, the left isn't smart enough to put together some master conspiracy like this, and at the same time, they aren't stupid enough to think that it would actually work.
4,735 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:46 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/26/08)
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To: WOSG; mojitojoe
You lying sack of obama poo! Birthers are not claiming she said she was present at her son's birth, YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT AND CLAIMING THAT THE TWO SEPARATE INTERVIEWS WHICH SOMEONE WORKING FOR YOU MESSIAH SPLICED TOGETHER AND PUT INTO THE ETHER. You're too stupid to get the essence of your own idiocy!

Joe, did you read what this excrement wrap tried to claim now?

4,736 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I dunno about the name change. I didn’t have the option to take back my original last name because “it just wasn’t done” and then there would have to be explainations of my school papers and vaccinations and such. Mother kept his name as well. I suppose Ann could have changed hers and Hussein’s back but divorce still hadn’t become the norm as it is today. Then again, from what we know of Ann, she could have taken it upon herself to revert back to Obama without any legal decree. Who knows if Lolo legally adopted him and legally changed his name? That’s another locked door. As much as I want Hussein out, I can’t see showing him the door over illegally using Obama instead of Soetoro... I’d like to since it’s fraud but I’d let it slide since he didn’t have any say in the matter.


4,737 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:14 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: aruanan
Great work aruanan. I have been ignoring him after his first post. I don't know what he is trying to prove. "Dominion of Kenya" was already debunked in my home encyclopedia set, Chinese Embassy correspondence, and Kenyan stamps online. It would be nice if we could clean up all of the static and cut this thread down to the salient points and counter points. I agree. Nothing is a deal breaker. Especially the memes animating from KOS sources. Every one of them now debunked.

Freepers have done an exceptional job on this challenge.
4,738 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:16 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: PA Engineer; Fred Nerks

And credit to Fred Nerks...


4,739 posted on 08/02/2009 11:52:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: rxsid

Is the the 2nd American Revolution starting already?


4,740 posted on 08/02/2009 11:53:15 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan ("Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.")
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To: mojitojoe

screenshots are good. PDF’s might be even better. File, print, Adobe PDF, if you have the capability to do so.


4,741 posted on 08/02/2009 11:54:01 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Swordmaker

Where do you see that on the watermark?


4,742 posted on 08/02/2009 11:54:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: MestaMachine; Danae; Polarik

It was resolved. Go back and read the thread.
***Copout. The thread is 4500 posts. I don’t have time and won’t read the whole thread. I hope Danae and Polarik bring me up to speed.


4,743 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:40 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: machogirl
I thought for sure Hill was a shoo-in for the nomination. Whatever Barry had trumps BC.

Barry got what Hill had -- the support of George Soros.

Sometime in 2006 or '07, Soros switched horses in mid-stream.

Hill, who had money to burn, was caught in a case of the shorts. Meanwhile, Barry had the money machine at his back.

4,744 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:43 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Cheerio
He legally became President on the day the SCOTUS swore him into office. He can only be removed via IMPEACHMENT.

Beg to differ, but this situation is unprecedented in our history. We have to look to how our traditional law functions in similar instances to determine how to proceed if he's found to have committed actual fraud against us.

In any similar instance, I don't believe that any court would find that because a person was elected and sworn in, that that somehow mitigates the fact that they were never entitled to the office to begin with. There is no retroactive immunity from logic and reason in this regard, in my personal opinion.

Only a qualified President can be impeached, per the Constitution. If Obama is proven to be unqualified, and therefore ineligible to hold the office of President, then it just does not follow that he must be impeached. Logically, and legally, I don't believe he can be, as he was never the President to begin with (even though that fact is discovered after the election and swearing in).

Again, I believe that we have to look to how any other fraud of this type would be prosecuted, to divine the answer.

4,745 posted on 08/02/2009 11:56:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: patriot08

talking about ann dunham not Orly I know she is a member in good standing of the Calif Bar. thanks for standing up for her.


4,746 posted on 08/02/2009 11:57:25 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: bgill
Just because Brits didn’t use staples in ‘64 doesn’t mean that sometime in the past 40+ years it wasn’t stapled to something.

It's not the Brits I'm talking about, it's their colonial heirs. And it isn't that they didn't use staples in 1964, they were still using straight pins exclusively well into the late 1990's to my personal knowledge.

And it was stapled to something - that's MY point, not yours.

The significant point is that if it WAS stapled to something it would have been stapled somewhere that officials use staples.

Like the USA, for example.

4,747 posted on 08/02/2009 11:58:52 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

..better twice than never...you have mail


4,748 posted on 08/03/2009 12:00:00 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: machogirl
His poor girls when they have to do a genealogy project in school. That family tree is going to have a forest.

There won't be any trees left. Just parched baren earth once he gets through cleaning up with deforestation.

4,749 posted on 08/03/2009 12:00:38 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: MHGinTN

more name-calling. talk to the hand.

My info came from the respected magazine, The Economist:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/11/born_under_a_bad_sign.cfm

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/


4,750 posted on 08/03/2009 12:00:54 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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