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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: mojitojoe

Pull his school records, and when it shows that he was an exchange student. All will know that he is full of it.


4,851 posted on 08/03/2009 1:26:58 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: danamco
If you haven't seen it, ping over to Post 494 on the thread "Kenyan Birth Certificate - 1964 Divorce Timeline".

I've poured over numerous documents and research essays that DEEPLY explore the Islamic secessionist movement in the 10 mile coastal strip of the British Protectorate leading up to and including 1964.

That area of land, which was part of what is now Coastal Province in Kenya where Mombasa lies, became independent on October 5, 1963 from an agreement in the exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte.

It seems the Coastal Registrar's office started calling itself the "Republic of Kenya" BEFORE Dec. 12, 1964 to protect its rights and not be annexed by neighboring Zanzibar.

The facts still line up for the Kenyan birth certificate to be legitimate.

4,852 posted on 08/03/2009 1:27:19 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Shaniqua
This thread is an insult to my intelligence.

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about your contribution to the thread.

Hope you enjoyed your brief stay here.

4,853 posted on 08/03/2009 1:30:05 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kevmo
That remains to be seen in this case. It is a civil case with some military spices sprinkled on top!

Clinton's was an impeachment trial that ended without indictment in the spineless Senate!!

Huge difference between the two!!!

4,854 posted on 08/03/2009 1:33:01 AM PDT by danamco
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To: nightlight7
It seems odd that the document number on the top is 47,044 considering that Obama is the 44th president and in 2008 he was 47 years old.

Careful. That way lies nutter territory.

4,855 posted on 08/03/2009 1:33:49 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lexinom
Another newspaper stating the "Republic of Kenya"

Published on April 11th, 1961 on Page 4 near top center of the page. Missouri Chillicothe Constitution Tribune in pdf format. The usage of 'Republic of Kenya' seems common place way before December of 1964.


4,856 posted on 08/03/2009 1:34:46 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: danamco

Clinton’s impeachment trial was the result of an earlier civil case brought by Paula Jones. The difference isn’t that great, but this one looks like it’s breaking within 6 months of inauguration, whereas Clinton’s was well into his second term.


4,857 posted on 08/03/2009 1:36:41 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: JohnnyP

I reposted PureSolace’s find just above this post. :-)


4,858 posted on 08/03/2009 1:36:43 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: BP2

Post 2222 is pretty detailed too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=2222#2222


4,859 posted on 08/03/2009 1:36:44 AM PDT by Sprite518
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Placemarker


4,860 posted on 08/03/2009 1:37:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rxsid

BUMP! :) For a terrific thread.

When has a president’s citizenship ever been questioned before?

I recall seeing NBC on inauguration day, and either Brian Williams or Tom Brokaw oddly mentioned “In 6 minutes from now, any question of Obama’s citizenship is finally closed. Once he takes the office, he is an American citizen.” Now why would they even say such a thing? Nor is it a true statement.

Hoping this certificate proves as valid as it appears to be, and finally forces some transparency.


4,861 posted on 08/03/2009 1:38:14 AM PDT by drierice
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To: Windflier

He’s gone!!!


4,862 posted on 08/03/2009 1:39:44 AM PDT by danamco
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To: bgill

Yes but it will have to wait till later today. Just got a new printer/scanner/fax and am setting it up today but can’t do it till later. Current machine is whacked.

New here - how do I let you know when they are posted? Also is there a place on the site that explains things like that and pings and bumps, etc.? Didn’t see one in the Welcome pages.


4,863 posted on 08/03/2009 1:39:57 AM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: STARWISE

Thank you.


4,864 posted on 08/03/2009 1:39:57 AM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: bgill; PA Engineer

bgill -

I think what PA Engineer has is better than what I have. Any reason to still want to see my less well-ID’d (and less relevant) stamps and album page? To see his post, scroll down some from your post to me and look for the stamp images.

PA Engineer -

I bookmarked your site for a longer visit later. Looks like you’re a real collector!


4,865 posted on 08/03/2009 1:39:58 AM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Free Republic is very good at analyzing documents.
If I’m not mistaken, Rathergate was exposed at least in part by people here working in a manner similar to this thread.
A jpg of what appears to be a piece of paper, supposedly a Kenyan document from 1964, comes along, and the collective analytical power of Free Republic is applied to the task. And well.

We’re doing a pretty good job here. I think right now, the consensus is “we don’t know, and we’d really like to see some verified documents from Mombasa in Kenya from February 1964”


4,866 posted on 08/03/2009 1:41:16 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

I posted this sometime last night to another thread:

I once was a Director of a British PLC company and learned quite a bit about their bureaucratic and idiosyncratic ways.

Virtually every Brit I worked with used their first two initials and then their last name as their “business” name. Therefore, the “E.F. Lavender” and the “M.H. Miller” are EXACTLY the way the Brits sign their name or refer to themselves in business correspondence. They would never sign it “EF Lavender” or “M. Miller” or “M H Miller” or “Eric F. Lavender”.

The spacing and punctuation are EXACTLY CORRECT, based on my experience.

This is one of the first things I looked for to see if it was a fake. Maybe ask Snugs for verification?


4,867 posted on 08/03/2009 1:43:55 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: truthfreedom
We’re doing a pretty good job here. I think right now, the consensus is “we don’t know, and we’d really like to see some verified documents from Mombasa in Kenya from February 1964”

That's where I feel we're at too. :)

4,868 posted on 08/03/2009 1:44:45 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: SaraJohnson

*whimper*


4,869 posted on 08/03/2009 1:46:49 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away..............)
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To: Windflier

Good find.....the only problem is that it states “President elect”. It seems to apply before the President is sworn in.


4,870 posted on 08/03/2009 1:49:46 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Where's The Birth Certificate)
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To: Salamander
On the plus side her tag-line is from BOC's Astronomy. Their best song by far. :) (my favorite version being the one on the Cult Classics album.)

Rock on Sal!

4,871 posted on 08/03/2009 1:52:16 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: Mount Athos

Start showing links to news articles published in 1964 that say “dominion of kenya”. We’ve shown links to news articles published in 1964 that say “republic of kenya”.

You claim to know how major newspapers were referring to Kenya in 1964. Show the links. I’d assume that most newspapers would simply say “Kenya” as opposed to “Republic of Kenya”, just to make things simpler. That doesn’t prove the name isn’t actually “Republic of Kenya”. But you’re here fighting with the majority, it might help your case if you provided good links. A news article, from 1964, with “Dominion of Kenya” would help.


4,872 posted on 08/03/2009 1:58:23 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Mount Athos
Those "1964 republic" stamps were released exactly on December 12th 1964, to celebrate and announce Kenya becoming a republic. They held them in stock until the vote passed.

Therefore they are not evidence that Kenya used "republic of kenya" on official seals dated before december -- before they officially became a republic.

This is documented here by a Kenyan stamp collector:

http://j-mydland.net/KUT/Kenya.htm

"This series of 5 was issued precisely a year after the first series; 12th December 1964, and was to commemorate the Inauguration of Republic. "


Where at your link does it say that? Before you answer I already visited there before my previous post.

The quote is:

This card represents the typical tourist view of Kenya; wildlife. The elephant is one of the so called "big 5". The card is cancelled NAMANGA (on the border to Tanzania en route from Nairobi to Arusha) New Year's eve 1964, and has the 65c Pyrethrum industry stamp from the Independence series of 12th December 1963.

The picture from this caption is:



I'm beginning to smell ozone.
4,873 posted on 08/03/2009 2:00:55 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Mount Athos

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=4856#4856


4,874 posted on 08/03/2009 2:09:31 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Where's The Birth Certificate)
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To: Danae

Very strange. Looks like this is copy of the record of birth. ie someone in 1964 requested this.

Which raises the question as to whom and why this document was requested.

One can assume that this was in possession of a family memeber.

Regardless, I don’t think that this can be discarded.

Funny too, that our usual goofy tabloids aren’t picking up on this.

My take on this is that it’s a forgery. There was another one posted here also. Has anyone compared the two?


4,875 posted on 08/03/2009 2:11:03 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: nikos1121

See post 2,222

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=2222#2222


4,876 posted on 08/03/2009 2:18:47 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: BP2

One question. Where did this thing come from. Hillary?


4,877 posted on 08/03/2009 2:23:28 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: Sprite518

Where did this document come from the sky?

There is much on here that could be disprove almost immediately were it a fake.

There are names of people, signature, place of birth, there’s a record of the birth and that it was recorded and where it was recorded.

It would be very easy to disprove, therefore one has to wonder if this document is true.

But, the first test is the provenance. Where did come from. Does anyone say? Did someone get into the divorce records in Hawaii and release it?


4,878 posted on 08/03/2009 2:26:30 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: woofie
(For what it's worth)
4,879 posted on 08/03/2009 2:29:38 AM PDT by yoe (Obama, America's first Communist ruler.)
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To: nikos1121

I’m thinking maybe Mossad....


4,880 posted on 08/03/2009 2:33:57 AM PDT by Prince of Space (H.R. 2454 puts a new definition to the phrase ?shovel ready.?)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
“Shaniqua Don't live here no more” ...

Been Banned!

4,881 posted on 08/03/2009 2:36:06 AM PDT by BellStar (Be strong ........Joshua 1:6)
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To: truthfreedom

Well I believe Zanzibar is now part of Tanzania..


4,882 posted on 08/03/2009 2:37:08 AM PDT by Onerom99 (I)
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To: mojitojoe
Like the USA, for example.

_____________ Unless, it was attached to a copy of the divorce decree and was in Sr’s possession. The divorce was in Hawaii, there were 5 attachments missing, probably identification docs. Sr. would have been sent a copy as would Ann.

That's MY point. Hawaii is part of the US, is it not?

4,883 posted on 08/03/2009 2:37:08 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Prince of Space

I don’t think any judge will seriously take steps to extricate Obama from office if it turns out that he is not eligible to be president, but Obama’s presidency would be over and he might even resign over this, if it becomes an embarrassment. I mean Nixon, Clinton... it seems like a lot less of an issue compared to fraud.


4,884 posted on 08/03/2009 2:37:34 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: Prince of Space

His negatives were at 6 yesteday. Dropping from a high of 12 last week. The trend is still downward. I look for it back up to -7 or -8 today.


4,885 posted on 08/03/2009 2:39:06 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: nikos1121
There was another one posted here also. Has anyone compared the two?

You are mistaken. This is the ONLY one.

4,886 posted on 08/03/2009 2:40:27 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Mount Athos

“No, WND is like Hawaii, they say they have these documents, but haven’t shown them. Before the cock crows tomorrow, they had best have them posted, because the whole case rests right now on finding an example of a Republic document produced between Dec 1963 and Dec 1964. If they don’t have them, and nobody does, then this whole thing will be a fiasco. “

Not so. This document does not purport to be the original Birth Certificate. Its a Certified Copy, produced and signed in 1964 (after Kenya became a Republic) at the request of a family member.


4,887 posted on 08/03/2009 2:40:39 AM PDT by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: nikos1121
There is much on here that could be disprove almost immediately were it a fake.

The converse is also true: there is much on there that could be proved almost immediately if it is authentic.

Time will tell.

4,888 posted on 08/03/2009 2:42:37 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: behzinlea
Her sole purpose in submitting the document to the court is to get a court order requesting the Kenyan government to determine whether it's genuine. What agenda are you pushing?
I think thirdlaw=5th column (o.O)
4,889 posted on 08/03/2009 2:43:37 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: John Valentine

No I’ve seen a one page document that has similar entries. I’ll see if I can find it.


4,890 posted on 08/03/2009 2:45:30 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: machogirl
Is that really Berg? No.
4,891 posted on 08/03/2009 2:56:37 AM PDT by PowerPro (2009 - Conservative Revolution Reborn (Go Palin!))
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To: BP2
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.

I need to explain how birth records are kept in Kenya and many developing countries. The record of the birth is entered on a sequentially numbered page in a securely bound book, and the pages are sequentially filled with records, which are indexed elsewhere for retreval. This document is unitary and is never duplicated or removed from the bound, sequentially nummbered pages.

If a record of a birth is required for any purpose, a fee is paid to the registrar who prepares a certificate attesting to the facts as contained in the original record and issues it under seal. Thus, there could be several or indeed many copies of a record issued to different individuals and at different times, but the underlying document in the record book remains unaltered and unchanged.

There ARE NO birth multiple records hidden away in Kenya, only the one, and it cannot be altered or changed without creating a very noticable gap in the book. This is one area where old fashioned record keeping may have an advantage over modern digital methods.

The present document that we are looking at on FR is very much anagous to the Hawwaii COLB, in that it is a secondary document attesting to facts extracted from a different, primary document.

The present document must have been requested by someone. They don't go around making copies of vital recored for the entertainment value. Somebody requested it for a purpose, and it is the suspicion of many that it had to to with the Obama-Dunham divorce.

At any rate this document was either purloined from some archival court record, or it was among the personal documents of either Stanly Ann or Obama Sr.

How it has become public is a question that needs to be answered in order to know how much credibility to give it. Until the provenance is established beyond doubt, it will be continually trashed as a forgery.

4,892 posted on 08/03/2009 2:59:12 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: lolhelp
Could it be one asked for when her second husband was going to adopt him and they needed his BC from Kenya?

Well, by now you've probably seen the answer to your question several times on this thread. What appears to be most likely, is that this document was requested by Stanley Ann Dunham during her divorce proceedings.

4,893 posted on 08/03/2009 3:01:27 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Prince of Space

Now why would Mossad want to discredit President Obama? /scarcasism


4,894 posted on 08/03/2009 3:01:28 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: PureSolace

Yeah, I think so. As to where we’re going with this, I’d expect to hear from the MSM very little about this new development. I’d expect to hear little discussion of “fake or not”. I’d expect, whenever mentioned, a dismissive “fake Kenyan Birth Certificate”, a dismissive “that was debunked a long time ago”. “Birthers” will be called “crazy”. That’s from the pro Obama MSM. Someone like Lou Dobbs, or Fox, might talk about the new find. Changing TV stations will increasingly feel like going from one world to another.

I’m not sure there will be any real determination of its authenticity. The consensus here will probably be “real, or at least a really good fake” The way to truly prove it one way or the other is to look at the record book that is referenced. If we can’t look at Obama’s HI BC, will we be able to look at Obama’s Kenyan BC? Unlikely. So, we’ll be saying, in addition to “Obama, let us look at your original HI BC”, “Kenya, let us look at that book”.

The percentage of people who think O was born in Kenya will go up. The percentage of people who don’t know where he was born will go up. Lib MSM will look at those numbers and say “people are getting crazier.”

It may be possible that absolutely no one alive really knows the whole truth here. Obama might not know what his grandma did back in 1961. If I was to guess, I’d say that his mom was playing on the beach in Kenya and didn’t get back in time (or the plan all along was to have O there in Kenya). There in Kenya did exist a BC, and I think we’re looking at a real copy of it. O’s grandma filled out some paperwork, and some form did get from O’s grandma, to the Hawaii health people, then on to the newspapers. I’m not really sure exactly what type of form was used. The “mail-in” option was possible, there might be other options. So, right now, there are (or should be) probably 2 sets of documentation. One set is the Kenyan set, the other is the Hawaii set.

And this is just one small piece of the whole “is O a natural born citizen” question.

We don’t even know his real name for certain.


4,895 posted on 08/03/2009 3:02:04 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

No. The only ‘opinion’ that matters is the court’s decision.


4,896 posted on 08/03/2009 3:02:08 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: nikos1121

You may find something that you mistook for another document, but it is not. It is a digitally altered version that was created by a poster with the handle Salamander.

Salamander created a lot of confusion with her creation and ultimately took it down. But someone else put it back up again to keep the confusion flowing.

But, please, don’t be misled. There is only ONE document and only one real photo.


4,897 posted on 08/03/2009 3:02:44 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ponygirl
Maybe it's "Fukifino."

LOL! You got the hint ;-)

4,898 posted on 08/03/2009 3:04:53 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nipfan

WND claims to have other similar Kenyan birth certificates from the same era. This has nothing to do with an “original birth certificate”. That’s a canard.

It has everything to do with the ability to make reasoned conclusions about the Obama document.


4,899 posted on 08/03/2009 3:05:59 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: WOSG
The world will think nothing of it. It has the ring of Fakery to it.

So, you finally show up, and with the predictable reply.

4,900 posted on 08/03/2009 3:16:06 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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