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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
Barry's Kenyan B.C.??
Special Motion for leave
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
Pull his school records, and when it shows that he was an exchange student. All will know that he is full of it.
I've poured over numerous documents and research essays that DEEPLY explore the Islamic secessionist movement in the 10 mile coastal strip of the British Protectorate leading up to and including 1964.
That area of land, which was part of what is now Coastal Province in Kenya where Mombasa lies, became independent on October 5, 1963 from an agreement in the exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte.
It seems the Coastal Registrar's office started calling itself the "Republic of Kenya" BEFORE Dec. 12, 1964 to protect its rights and not be annexed by neighboring Zanzibar.
The facts still line up for the Kenyan birth certificate to be legitimate.
Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about your contribution to the thread.
Hope you enjoyed your brief stay here.
Clinton's was an impeachment trial that ended without indictment in the spineless Senate!!
Huge difference between the two!!!
Careful. That way lies nutter territory.
Published on April 11th, 1961 on Page 4 near top center of the page. Missouri Chillicothe Constitution Tribune in pdf format. The usage of 'Republic of Kenya' seems common place way before December of 1964.
Clinton’s impeachment trial was the result of an earlier civil case brought by Paula Jones. The difference isn’t that great, but this one looks like it’s breaking within 6 months of inauguration, whereas Clinton’s was well into his second term.
I reposted PureSolace’s find just above this post. :-)
Post 2222 is pretty detailed too.
BUMP! :) For a terrific thread.
When has a president’s citizenship ever been questioned before?
I recall seeing NBC on inauguration day, and either Brian Williams or Tom Brokaw oddly mentioned “In 6 minutes from now, any question of Obama’s citizenship is finally closed. Once he takes the office, he is an American citizen.” Now why would they even say such a thing? Nor is it a true statement.
Hoping this certificate proves as valid as it appears to be, and finally forces some transparency.
Yes but it will have to wait till later today. Just got a new printer/scanner/fax and am setting it up today but can’t do it till later. Current machine is whacked.
New here - how do I let you know when they are posted? Also is there a place on the site that explains things like that and pings and bumps, etc.? Didn’t see one in the Welcome pages.
I think what PA Engineer has is better than what I have. Any reason to still want to see my less well-ID’d (and less relevant) stamps and album page? To see his post, scroll down some from your post to me and look for the stamp images.
PA Engineer -
I bookmarked your site for a longer visit later. Looks like you’re a real collector!
Free Republic is very good at analyzing documents.
If I’m not mistaken, Rathergate was exposed at least in part by people here working in a manner similar to this thread.
A jpg of what appears to be a piece of paper, supposedly a Kenyan document from 1964, comes along, and the collective analytical power of Free Republic is applied to the task. And well.
We’re doing a pretty good job here. I think right now, the consensus is “we don’t know, and we’d really like to see some verified documents from Mombasa in Kenya from February 1964”
I posted this sometime last night to another thread:
I once was a Director of a British PLC company and learned quite a bit about their bureaucratic and idiosyncratic ways.
Virtually every Brit I worked with used their first two initials and then their last name as their business name. Therefore, the E.F. Lavender and the M.H. Miller are EXACTLY the way the Brits sign their name or refer to themselves in business correspondence. They would never sign it EF Lavender or M. Miller or M H Miller or Eric F. Lavender.
The spacing and punctuation are EXACTLY CORRECT, based on my experience.
This is one of the first things I looked for to see if it was a fake. Maybe ask Snugs for verification?
That's where I feel we're at too. :)
Good find.....the only problem is that it states “President elect”. It seems to apply before the President is sworn in.
Rock on Sal!
Start showing links to news articles published in 1964 that say “dominion of kenya”. We’ve shown links to news articles published in 1964 that say “republic of kenya”.
You claim to know how major newspapers were referring to Kenya in 1964. Show the links. I’d assume that most newspapers would simply say “Kenya” as opposed to “Republic of Kenya”, just to make things simpler. That doesn’t prove the name isn’t actually “Republic of Kenya”. But you’re here fighting with the majority, it might help your case if you provided good links. A news article, from 1964, with “Dominion of Kenya” would help.
Very strange. Looks like this is copy of the record of birth. ie someone in 1964 requested this.
Which raises the question as to whom and why this document was requested.
One can assume that this was in possession of a family memeber.
Regardless, I don’t think that this can be discarded.
Funny too, that our usual goofy tabloids aren’t picking up on this.
My take on this is that it’s a forgery. There was another one posted here also. Has anyone compared the two?
One question. Where did this thing come from. Hillary?
Where did this document come from the sky?
There is much on here that could be disprove almost immediately were it a fake.
There are names of people, signature, place of birth, there’s a record of the birth and that it was recorded and where it was recorded.
It would be very easy to disprove, therefore one has to wonder if this document is true.
But, the first test is the provenance. Where did come from. Does anyone say? Did someone get into the divorce records in Hawaii and release it?
I’m thinking maybe Mossad....
Well I believe Zanzibar is now part of Tanzania..
_____________ Unless, it was attached to a copy of the divorce decree and was in Srs possession. The divorce was in Hawaii, there were 5 attachments missing, probably identification docs. Sr. would have been sent a copy as would Ann.
That's MY point. Hawaii is part of the US, is it not?
I don’t think any judge will seriously take steps to extricate Obama from office if it turns out that he is not eligible to be president, but Obama’s presidency would be over and he might even resign over this, if it becomes an embarrassment. I mean Nixon, Clinton... it seems like a lot less of an issue compared to fraud.
His negatives were at 6 yesteday. Dropping from a high of 12 last week. The trend is still downward. I look for it back up to -7 or -8 today.
You are mistaken. This is the ONLY one.
“No, WND is like Hawaii, they say they have these documents, but haven’t shown them. Before the cock crows tomorrow, they had best have them posted, because the whole case rests right now on finding an example of a Republic document produced between Dec 1963 and Dec 1964. If they don’t have them, and nobody does, then this whole thing will be a fiasco. “
Not so. This document does not purport to be the original Birth Certificate. Its a Certified Copy, produced and signed in 1964 (after Kenya became a Republic) at the request of a family member.
The converse is also true: there is much on there that could be proved almost immediately if it is authentic.
Time will tell.
Her sole purpose in submitting the document to the court is to get a court order requesting the Kenyan government to determine whether it's genuine. What agenda are you pushing?I think thirdlaw=5th column (o.O)
No I’ve seen a one page document that has similar entries. I’ll see if I can find it.
I need to explain how birth records are kept in Kenya and many developing countries. The record of the birth is entered on a sequentially numbered page in a securely bound book, and the pages are sequentially filled with records, which are indexed elsewhere for retreval. This document is unitary and is never duplicated or removed from the bound, sequentially nummbered pages.
If a record of a birth is required for any purpose, a fee is paid to the registrar who prepares a certificate attesting to the facts as contained in the original record and issues it under seal. Thus, there could be several or indeed many copies of a record issued to different individuals and at different times, but the underlying document in the record book remains unaltered and unchanged.
There ARE NO birth multiple records hidden away in Kenya, only the one, and it cannot be altered or changed without creating a very noticable gap in the book. This is one area where old fashioned record keeping may have an advantage over modern digital methods.
The present document that we are looking at on FR is very much anagous to the Hawwaii COLB, in that it is a secondary document attesting to facts extracted from a different, primary document.
The present document must have been requested by someone. They don't go around making copies of vital recored for the entertainment value. Somebody requested it for a purpose, and it is the suspicion of many that it had to to with the Obama-Dunham divorce.
At any rate this document was either purloined from some archival court record, or it was among the personal documents of either Stanly Ann or Obama Sr.
How it has become public is a question that needs to be answered in order to know how much credibility to give it. Until the provenance is established beyond doubt, it will be continually trashed as a forgery.
Well, by now you've probably seen the answer to your question several times on this thread. What appears to be most likely, is that this document was requested by Stanley Ann Dunham during her divorce proceedings.
Now why would Mossad want to discredit President Obama? /scarcasism
Yeah, I think so. As to where we’re going with this, I’d expect to hear from the MSM very little about this new development. I’d expect to hear little discussion of “fake or not”. I’d expect, whenever mentioned, a dismissive “fake Kenyan Birth Certificate”, a dismissive “that was debunked a long time ago”. “Birthers” will be called “crazy”. That’s from the pro Obama MSM. Someone like Lou Dobbs, or Fox, might talk about the new find. Changing TV stations will increasingly feel like going from one world to another.
I’m not sure there will be any real determination of its authenticity. The consensus here will probably be “real, or at least a really good fake” The way to truly prove it one way or the other is to look at the record book that is referenced. If we can’t look at Obama’s HI BC, will we be able to look at Obama’s Kenyan BC? Unlikely. So, we’ll be saying, in addition to “Obama, let us look at your original HI BC”, “Kenya, let us look at that book”.
The percentage of people who think O was born in Kenya will go up. The percentage of people who don’t know where he was born will go up. Lib MSM will look at those numbers and say “people are getting crazier.”
It may be possible that absolutely no one alive really knows the whole truth here. Obama might not know what his grandma did back in 1961. If I was to guess, I’d say that his mom was playing on the beach in Kenya and didn’t get back in time (or the plan all along was to have O there in Kenya). There in Kenya did exist a BC, and I think we’re looking at a real copy of it. O’s grandma filled out some paperwork, and some form did get from O’s grandma, to the Hawaii health people, then on to the newspapers. I’m not really sure exactly what type of form was used. The “mail-in” option was possible, there might be other options. So, right now, there are (or should be) probably 2 sets of documentation. One set is the Kenyan set, the other is the Hawaii set.
And this is just one small piece of the whole “is O a natural born citizen” question.
We don’t even know his real name for certain.
No. The only ‘opinion’ that matters is the court’s decision.
You may find something that you mistook for another document, but it is not. It is a digitally altered version that was created by a poster with the handle Salamander.
Salamander created a lot of confusion with her creation and ultimately took it down. But someone else put it back up again to keep the confusion flowing.
But, please, don’t be misled. There is only ONE document and only one real photo.
LOL! You got the hint ;-)
WND claims to have other similar Kenyan birth certificates from the same era. This has nothing to do with an “original birth certificate”. That’s a canard.
It has everything to do with the ability to make reasoned conclusions about the Obama document.
So, you finally show up, and with the predictable reply.