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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: Jedidah
"He went to elementary school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, but was sent back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents prior to adolescence. I don’t think his high school records have been released,"

He was on the state championship basketball team at Ponehou HS (however you spell it). I'm sure his name is in the Hawaii newspapers somewhere. I think he was listed as "Barry Obama" at that time.

5,151 posted on 08/03/2009 8:25:13 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: silverleaf

Some times these documents are used to suppliment other documents. The more paper you present to a judge might support other paper.


5,152 posted on 08/03/2009 8:26:24 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama's lies make Bill Clinton's lie small)
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To: cookcounty

Who Knows?

Many many tangents on this thread.


5,153 posted on 08/03/2009 8:27:00 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: bgill
If Obama’s mother was getting a divorce in Hawaii, and had to prove to the judge there was a child produced from the marriage, then why did she have to send to Kenya to get that proof? Maybe the U.S. required an ORIGINAL birth record and she knew the Hawaiian one wasn't the original?
5,154 posted on 08/03/2009 8:27:14 AM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Peter Horry

I like Ron but he sounded like he was in a big hurry in that post and was just regurgitating skeptical remarks from others. I would like him to have a close look at the graphics but it’s his time, not mine.

I agree that the “E.F. Lavender” business was puerile. My name is Johnson...people have fun with it for various reasons. That proves zilch. FReepers have already located an Eric Lavender. The document number makes perfect sense if the record is in a “Book 44” under the “O’s.”


5,155 posted on 08/03/2009 8:29:49 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Little Ray
But if were real, and if Obama was forced in some fashion to step down, just think, we'll have the Incredible Human Gaffe Machine, Joe Biden, for President, and whoever the Pelosi / Reid / Soros Congress approves for VP. I disagree. They are ALL implicated in any fraud because they did not verify his eligibility thoroughly and maintained he was natural born knowing that they had not verified it. And even his eligibility was brought up in lawsuits, they pretended there was no problem.
5,156 posted on 08/03/2009 8:29:57 AM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Red Steel

Since yesterday every time I try to go on Orly’s site my computer blocks it with this massive warning, lots of red ink, about Orly being an “attack site”. I have to do a lot to try and get around it as the “ignore this warning” button does not work. I believe that many people are attacking her website and, quite frankly, I am amazed she has not been harmed. God keep and protect her.


5,157 posted on 08/03/2009 8:30:46 AM PDT by ethical
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To: Aria; All

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004164387_brodeur05m.html

Box last saw her friend in 1961, when she visited Seattle on her way from Honolulu to Massachusetts, where her then-husband was attending Harvard.


Which now that I have reread this bookmark, I realize it was WRONG.

The friend states that Dunham saw her friend in 1961 when she was traveling to Massechusetts to be with Obama at Harvard. But Obama Sr did not graduate the University of Hawaii until JUNE 1962!! Then he went to Mass. to attend Harvard in the fall.

Now here’s the kicker, is this Box lady lying because she knows where Obama’s mother was coming from and heading to? Or was Ann lying to her friend because she was ashamed that she was now the single mother of a child at 18 and knew Sr had another wife in Kenya?


5,158 posted on 08/03/2009 8:31:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Little Ray
I thought Obama was born 04 August 1961? In which case, what relevance does a 1964 birth certificate have?

Relevance would be that the one he showed on FactCheck and Kos both were dated 2007. So, I guess we could say where is the relevance for that one?

Relevance for the copy of the Kenyan Birth Certificate dated 1964 is that is when Stanley requested a birth certificate for her divorce proceedings. If I ordered one of my childrens birth certificates today it would be dated 2009 with information of their birth in 199* which was the year that they were born.
5,159 posted on 08/03/2009 8:31:20 AM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: BP2
From the London Times


5,160 posted on 08/03/2009 8:31:29 AM PDT by RubyR
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To: autumnraine

I dont care what name she died with- only what name she might have obtained a passport and/or SSN with in 1961

My question was, if she was married in Feb 61, and traveled- did she travel as a married woman, or under her maiden name? To travel as a married woman she would have needed proof of the marriage to apply for a new passport in her married name. Otherwise she traveled as Dunham

“If” an 18 yr old foreign woman gave birth in a Kenyan hospital, presumably on admission they would have referred to her passport for her legal name and other legal identity such as birthdate to issue the child’s birth certificate

One thing Africa and especially colonial Africa excelled at...was (and still is) bureaucracy
thanks


5,161 posted on 08/03/2009 8:32:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: o2bfree
I agree this is really bad timing. It’s is a huge distraction from our fight against communist healthcare. Having Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate show up now, I think its Alinsky all over again.
No, he suggested that it is a possibility.. there is nothing final about this yet.
5,162 posted on 08/03/2009 8:33:34 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: nikos1121
Which is why it needs to be analyzed by professionals and the court needs to weigh in. If it's a fake, the forgers should be prosecuted. If it's for real, well then it hits the fan.
5,163 posted on 08/03/2009 8:34:21 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: PowerPro

You know what..., you’re exactly right. I’m not convinced he’s illegit. I’m also not convinced he’s legit. Something is up with this guy, and it baffles me to see folks on our side act as if there isn’t.

You don’t hide every scrap of reference to your life, if you don’t have something to hide. The problem for me right now, is that this wasn’t taking place last year and before.

This ass hat clown has been given a free ride. I want to know what contributes to the abysmal decisions he is making. Let’s get it all out there, so we can come to more informed conclusions about this guy.

IMO, if the whole of this guy’s existence was known, he wouldn’t be capable of being voted dog catcher. I’ll continue to hold that opinion until he comes clean with the U.S. public.

No amount of ‘birther’ or other name calling is going to make me back off and consider him politically ‘clean’.


5,164 posted on 08/03/2009 8:34:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Our Founding Fathers were the first birthers: See Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: cookcounty

If he was on the basketball team in Hawaii and went to the high school wouldn’t there be a year book or something that would give his name?


5,165 posted on 08/03/2009 8:34:53 AM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: Psycmeistr

What leads you to believe it is “clearly a forgery”?


5,166 posted on 08/03/2009 8:35:17 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: cookcounty

The line through a seven goes back centuries. Arabic numerals came in in the later Middle Ages. I have worked with German and Austrian manuscripts from the 1300s and 1400s. The way Arabic numerals were written in those centuries was quite different from the way things settled down. For instance, a four was half of an eight, that is, a loop resting on the baseline with two tails crossing in the middle and descending below—as if you put an 8 on the base line then cut it off about halfway through the lower loop. A five looks a lot like our handwritten fours—a vertical stroke to the right with a wavy, dipping horizontal at the top extending to the left, the way we make fours by an L plus a vertical through the mid-level foot of the L.

A one was often written as a single vertical, often descending below the baseline, perhaps with a slight flip to the left—like a j but taller and without the dot (which is how a single i was often written and the Arabic 1 was in effect, a modification of the Roman lowercase numeral one.

Sevens were very often written with a complete upstroke, from base to peak, then a complete downstroke, like a capital A without the cross-bar. This was no problem as long as one were written as single vertical lines. But when ones came to be written with a flourishing upstroke, if that upstroke got longer and longer, you’ve got confusion.


5,167 posted on 08/03/2009 8:36:19 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Little Ray

He was born in 1961, this is a certified copy of his Kenyan birth certificate that was requested in 1964 (presumably for the divorce of Obama’s parents).


5,168 posted on 08/03/2009 8:36:42 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: autumnraine

the friend who saw her in Seattle with a 3 wk old newborn is named Susan Blake

unless there are several friend interviews


5,169 posted on 08/03/2009 8:36:49 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: CedarDave

And she wasn’t of age to pass on her US citizenship.


5,170 posted on 08/03/2009 8:36:53 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: silverleaf

Actually I believe in this case they relied on the word of Barack Hussein OmamaI for the information on the birth certificate. That is why he is referred to as “informant”.


5,171 posted on 08/03/2009 8:37:56 AM PDT by pnut22
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To: bgill

Post 5125

Well, that was my take on it, haven’t heard it discussed.... though I may have missed it. It’s hard to get everything on threads as big as these.... Especially when over 90% of it is unfounded opinions and wild speculation. I think that 10% rule has been turned upside down. The three dates on the document are below, the last one appears to be at the equivalent of the courthouse/registrars office.

Birth - August 4, 1961 - Friday

Date of Registration - August 5, 1961 - Saturday

District Registry Office - August 9, 1961 - Wednesday


5,172 posted on 08/03/2009 8:38:38 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded - John Randolph)
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To: 1234

Do you deny that there are thousands of FReepers who won’t touch this issue with a ten-foot pole? And many others who have a very loose idea of what a NBC is?


5,173 posted on 08/03/2009 8:39:03 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Technical Editor

Yes, and Pelosi even signed a statement attesting him as candidate.


5,174 posted on 08/03/2009 8:39:22 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: bmwcyle

If BO Sr doubted and wanted to contest paternity in the divorce case - a Hawaii COLB wouldn’t have helped the Dunhams


5,175 posted on 08/03/2009 8:40:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: Scanian

This lavender soap thing looks to me pretty lame. Its like saying, if the signature on the bottom was A. B. Green, that the document was a fraud because Green is a ecological movement. I’ve done some searching for lavender soap... doesn’t appear to be any brand name, but lots of soaps have a lavender color (pale bluish purple), and advertise that fact. Anyways, Lavender seems like a great last name... as a kid, maybe the guy was nicknamed “soap”, lol.


5,176 posted on 08/03/2009 8:41:19 AM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: RubyR; All

Excellent Ruby!! You have just shown that even before the Independence Declaration in December 1963, Kenya was referring to itself as a REPUBLIC.

And it’s the London Times no less.

I think this settles the Republic of Kenya issue. At least in my opinion, which isn’t really worth much I guess. lol


5,177 posted on 08/03/2009 8:41:57 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: DoughtyOne

One of my favorite jokes about him revolves around the fact that he grew into politics “the Chicago way.”

I’m paraphrasing here...but the gist of it is, are we supposed to believe that he’s the only virgin in the whorehouse?

That cracks me up.

As for this other...like I said and I think you and others agree...let’s wait and see how the authentication process pans out.

Either way though, it’s certainly not going to stop or even slow down my and other people’s efforts against nationalized health care, etc. And it certainly won’t stop us from digging to find out which rock he crawled out from under.


5,178 posted on 08/03/2009 8:43:45 AM PDT by PowerPro (2009 - Conservative Revolution Reborn (Go Palin!))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Correct, “hippie” in the early ‘60’s referred to people like the Rat Pack.

I find Stanley Ann’s conduct remarkably like the countercultural activity of the beats, who were, as you say, successors to the bohemians. I forget which writer first used “Beat Generation.” Ginsburg or Burroughs? Anyway, Ann would have fit right in to their millieu as a “pad-sharing chick.”


5,179 posted on 08/03/2009 8:44:18 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: the invisib1e hand

For a professional, skilled forger with resources, I don’t think there would be any particular difficulties, just attention to detail and nuance. A national intelligence service could do it.

The problem is, professional faking a document like this is a waste of time, because it is essentially a treasure map. If you follow the instructions to the end, (i.e. to book 44B, page 5733) and there’s no treasure there, the skill of the forgery is all for naught. And for all the resources of the Mossad, the CIA, or others, I see no way that they could go back in time and see to it that a specific page in a 47 year old bound book could be bound in invisibly. And what of the page that is supposed to be there? Where did it go? The index would no longer match, so it would have to be corrected too, and that is another monumental task that would have to be carried out right beneath the noses of the archivists.

Very difficult, bordering on the impossible. The system is designed the way it is to prevent just such a thing happening.

For an amateur, I don’t think they would stand the remotest chance of carrying it off, even the document itself.

An amateur would wind up with something as obviously fake as the Bush National Guard letters. This document is NOT obviously fake.


5,180 posted on 08/03/2009 8:44:50 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: cookcounty
He was on the state championship basketball

I find that hard to believe, he is so wimpy and un-athletic, as proved by the girly way he threw out the baseball and he can't even golf, just rides in the cart, or at least one of his doubles does. I'm beginning to believe maybe there was a Barack O, but it ain't this guy

5,181 posted on 08/03/2009 8:45:09 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: silverleaf

Apparently there were at least TWO friends who saw her and both referenced the year 1961 (which would make him a newborn since there was only a few months left in the year).

Susan Blake and Maxine Box.


5,182 posted on 08/03/2009 8:45:37 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: rxsid; Jim Robinson; Jim Thompson

good god man! I just noticed you posted this on the front page.

Very funny and yes, it is a fake.


5,183 posted on 08/03/2009 8:45:59 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: C210N

Or lavender scent.


5,184 posted on 08/03/2009 8:47:11 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Little Ray

I would find Joe downright comforting after this monstrous fraud.


5,185 posted on 08/03/2009 8:48:39 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: DoughtyOne
The problem for me right now, is that this wasn’t taking place last year and before.
Unfortunately for us it was... But, we were considered tinfoil hats and kooks and we were just stirring up trouble. Fact is I'm not a republican or a democrat. And in the beginning I sort of edged towards Obama since I was impressed with his speech against Hillary and her Health care package. He stated that it wasn't fair since there would be people that would not be able to afford this since they were hardly able to afford putting food on their table. So, fining them would not be appropriate or something to that fact. Then all this came out and I started on the bandwagon. Only problem is the MSM would not even take a look. They were too busy running after the Republicans and avoiding any controversary for this piece of work. Aggravating at best! Welcome to the club!

5,186 posted on 08/03/2009 8:49:00 AM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: Vendome

“Very funny and yes, it is a fake.”

Because.... you say so?

Just enlighten us if you know something we don’t know.


5,187 posted on 08/03/2009 8:49:47 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: 1000 silverlings
I find that hard to believe, he is so wimpy and un-athletic, as proved by the girly way he threw out the baseball and he can't even golf, just rides in the cart, or at least one of his doubles does. I'm beginning to believe maybe there was a Barack O, but it ain't this guy

Dude... WATERBOY!!! Every team needs one, even the championship teams.

5,188 posted on 08/03/2009 8:50:57 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: cycle of discernment; Perdogg

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306755/posts?page=780 and

the long thread, no. 5160


5,189 posted on 08/03/2009 8:50:59 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: silverleaf
Airline schedules- I think Seattle could figure, since Mercer Island was her real home, and the place she showed up with a 3 week old baby whose diapers she didnt know how to change (anecdote of a friend). Was she coming to Seattle from Honolulu- or from overseas?

I don't think Seattle vs. Honolulu would matter that much, as all the traffic seemed to go through Europe. Once in London, I'd guess someone could get a flight to Seattle or to Hawaii, probably with at least a stop or two in between.

I won't be able to spend any more time on this today - shouldn't even be on here now!

5,190 posted on 08/03/2009 8:51:06 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: RubyR
AWESOME find!

Can you grab that whole article and post it?

It matches what I found here discussing the autonomy of the mwambao:

Muslims’ Relations with Politics of Nationalism and Secessionism in Kenya

5,191 posted on 08/03/2009 8:51:45 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: autumnraine

Don’t worry autumnraine - its a troll


5,192 posted on 08/03/2009 8:52:20 AM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: PowerPro

Exactly right! I wholeheartedly agree.


5,193 posted on 08/03/2009 8:52:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Our Founding Fathers were the first birthers: See Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: autumnraine
It's a bona fide opinion, AR. I did some research last night, and found that Kenya joined the UN the minute that they were independent, and began making treaties and trade agreements with other nations as well. There was also some speeches from the English house of Lords, I think, about how Kenyan citizens would no longer be considered British at birth.

Anyway, the gist is, they hit the ground running fully prepared to become a Republic, they just had to finalize their constitution.

5,194 posted on 08/03/2009 8:53:19 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: RubyR

Nice find!!!!


5,195 posted on 08/03/2009 8:54:41 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: jcsjcm

I agree with your sentiments, and actually, I say welcome to the club to you. I’m glad you’ve been able to see the problems this guy represents, and ask questions.

It’s to your credit that you do. I suspect there are a lot of people out there beginning to wake up to what they signed on to, not that you actually did completely.

Thanks for the comments.


5,196 posted on 08/03/2009 8:56:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Our Founding Fathers were the first birthers: See Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: Kevmo

That newspaper article was from 6/64. Why was it called a republic before 12/64.

My point is that the term Republic is that big of deal and was apparently used often.


5,197 posted on 08/03/2009 8:56:49 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: rxsid

Birthers can relax - my hometown paper had editorial this morning - Obama a ntive-born American and has a vote of Congress to prove it:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/03/birthers-put-to-rest/


5,198 posted on 08/03/2009 8:57:22 AM PDT by FaithintheRight ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey)
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To: bgill

No point speculating. I question how someone obtained an original copy, which this appears to be as opposed to something copied. It makes no sense, therefore I’m weighing in on the side that this is a forgery. If so, it will do more to reduce any future credibility in trying to find out more about this president.

It could very well have been planted by Obama’s people.

My take is to push for full transparency on all fronts not just the BC. I for one do not believe that he was born in Kenya. I would not be surprised if his mother, then only 18, was in favor of her newborn having anything BUT an US citizenship at birth as her anti american sentiments were apparently well known.

Obama was either born in Vancouver or perhaps Hawaii but at some home for unwed mothers.

It doesn’t matter. You can’t blame Obama for the decisions that were made about him before and after he was born.

BUT as it was eloquently put by attorney Carol Swain of Vanderbuilt, that the presidency is owned by the people, scholars and biographers who have a right to know.


5,199 posted on 08/03/2009 8:57:28 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

lol, man I’m dumb, that’s it! Or Towel boy, “towlie” (Southpark)(think I’ll have alittle smoke first)


5,200 posted on 08/03/2009 8:58:23 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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