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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
Barry's Kenyan B.C.??
Special Motion for leave
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
He was on the state championship basketball team at Ponehou HS (however you spell it). I'm sure his name is in the Hawaii newspapers somewhere. I think he was listed as "Barry Obama" at that time.
Some times these documents are used to suppliment other documents. The more paper you present to a judge might support other paper.
Many many tangents on this thread.
I like Ron but he sounded like he was in a big hurry in that post and was just regurgitating skeptical remarks from others. I would like him to have a close look at the graphics but it’s his time, not mine.
I agree that the “E.F. Lavender” business was puerile. My name is Johnson...people have fun with it for various reasons. That proves zilch. FReepers have already located an Eric Lavender. The document number makes perfect sense if the record is in a “Book 44” under the “O’s.”
Since yesterday every time I try to go on Orly’s site my computer blocks it with this massive warning, lots of red ink, about Orly being an “attack site”. I have to do a lot to try and get around it as the “ignore this warning” button does not work. I believe that many people are attacking her website and, quite frankly, I am amazed she has not been harmed. God keep and protect her.
Box last saw her friend in 1961, when she visited Seattle on her way from Honolulu to Massachusetts, where her then-husband was attending Harvard.
Which now that I have reread this bookmark, I realize it was WRONG.
The friend states that Dunham saw her friend in 1961 when she was traveling to Massechusetts to be with Obama at Harvard. But Obama Sr did not graduate the University of Hawaii until JUNE 1962!! Then he went to Mass. to attend Harvard in the fall.
Now here’s the kicker, is this Box lady lying because she knows where Obama’s mother was coming from and heading to? Or was Ann lying to her friend because she was ashamed that she was now the single mother of a child at 18 and knew Sr had another wife in Kenya?
I dont care what name she died with- only what name she might have obtained a passport and/or SSN with in 1961
My question was, if she was married in Feb 61, and traveled- did she travel as a married woman, or under her maiden name? To travel as a married woman she would have needed proof of the marriage to apply for a new passport in her married name. Otherwise she traveled as Dunham
“If” an 18 yr old foreign woman gave birth in a Kenyan hospital, presumably on admission they would have referred to her passport for her legal name and other legal identity such as birthdate to issue the child’s birth certificate
One thing Africa and especially colonial Africa excelled at...was (and still is) bureaucracy
I agree this is really bad timing. Its is a huge distraction from our fight against communist healthcare. Having Obamas Kenyan Birth Certificate show up now, I think its Alinsky all over again.No, he suggested that it is a possibility.. there is nothing final about this yet.
You know what..., you’re exactly right. I’m not convinced he’s illegit. I’m also not convinced he’s legit. Something is up with this guy, and it baffles me to see folks on our side act as if there isn’t.
You don’t hide every scrap of reference to your life, if you don’t have something to hide. The problem for me right now, is that this wasn’t taking place last year and before.
This ass hat clown has been given a free ride. I want to know what contributes to the abysmal decisions he is making. Let’s get it all out there, so we can come to more informed conclusions about this guy.
IMO, if the whole of this guy’s existence was known, he wouldn’t be capable of being voted dog catcher. I’ll continue to hold that opinion until he comes clean with the U.S. public.
No amount of ‘birther’ or other name calling is going to make me back off and consider him politically ‘clean’.
If he was on the basketball team in Hawaii and went to the high school wouldn’t there be a year book or something that would give his name?
What leads you to believe it is “clearly a forgery”?
The line through a seven goes back centuries. Arabic numerals came in in the later Middle Ages. I have worked with German and Austrian manuscripts from the 1300s and 1400s. The way Arabic numerals were written in those centuries was quite different from the way things settled down. For instance, a four was half of an eight, that is, a loop resting on the baseline with two tails crossing in the middle and descending below—as if you put an 8 on the base line then cut it off about halfway through the lower loop. A five looks a lot like our handwritten fours—a vertical stroke to the right with a wavy, dipping horizontal at the top extending to the left, the way we make fours by an L plus a vertical through the mid-level foot of the L.
A one was often written as a single vertical, often descending below the baseline, perhaps with a slight flip to the left—like a j but taller and without the dot (which is how a single i was often written and the Arabic 1 was in effect, a modification of the Roman lowercase numeral one.
Sevens were very often written with a complete upstroke, from base to peak, then a complete downstroke, like a capital A without the cross-bar. This was no problem as long as one were written as single vertical lines. But when ones came to be written with a flourishing upstroke, if that upstroke got longer and longer, youve got confusion.
He was born in 1961, this is a certified copy of his Kenyan birth certificate that was requested in 1964 (presumably for the divorce of Obama’s parents).
the friend who saw her in Seattle with a 3 wk old newborn is named Susan Blake
unless there are several friend interviews
And she wasn’t of age to pass on her US citizenship.
Actually I believe in this case they relied on the word of Barack Hussein OmamaI for the information on the birth certificate. That is why he is referred to as “informant”.
Well, that was my take on it, haven’t heard it discussed.... though I may have missed it. It’s hard to get everything on threads as big as these.... Especially when over 90% of it is unfounded opinions and wild speculation. I think that 10% rule has been turned upside down. The three dates on the document are below, the last one appears to be at the equivalent of the courthouse/registrars office.
Birth - August 4, 1961 - Friday
Date of Registration - August 5, 1961 - Saturday
District Registry Office - August 9, 1961 - Wednesday
Do you deny that there are thousands of FReepers who won’t touch this issue with a ten-foot pole? And many others who have a very loose idea of what a NBC is?
Yes, and Pelosi even signed a statement attesting him as candidate.
If BO Sr doubted and wanted to contest paternity in the divorce case - a Hawaii COLB wouldn’t have helped the Dunhams
This lavender soap thing looks to me pretty lame. Its like saying, if the signature on the bottom was A. B. Green, that the document was a fraud because Green is a ecological movement. I’ve done some searching for lavender soap... doesn’t appear to be any brand name, but lots of soaps have a lavender color (pale bluish purple), and advertise that fact. Anyways, Lavender seems like a great last name... as a kid, maybe the guy was nicknamed “soap”, lol.
Excellent Ruby!! You have just shown that even before the Independence Declaration in December 1963, Kenya was referring to itself as a REPUBLIC.
And it’s the London Times no less.
I think this settles the Republic of Kenya issue. At least in my opinion, which isn’t really worth much I guess. lol
One of my favorite jokes about him revolves around the fact that he grew into politics “the Chicago way.”
I’m paraphrasing here...but the gist of it is, are we supposed to believe that he’s the only virgin in the whorehouse?
That cracks me up.
As for this other...like I said and I think you and others agree...let’s wait and see how the authentication process pans out.
Either way though, it’s certainly not going to stop or even slow down my and other people’s efforts against nationalized health care, etc. And it certainly won’t stop us from digging to find out which rock he crawled out from under.
Correct, “hippie” in the early ‘60’s referred to people like the Rat Pack.
I find Stanley Ann’s conduct remarkably like the countercultural activity of the beats, who were, as you say, successors to the bohemians. I forget which writer first used “Beat Generation.” Ginsburg or Burroughs? Anyway, Ann would have fit right in to their millieu as a “pad-sharing chick.”
For a professional, skilled forger with resources, I don’t think there would be any particular difficulties, just attention to detail and nuance. A national intelligence service could do it.
The problem is, professional faking a document like this is a waste of time, because it is essentially a treasure map. If you follow the instructions to the end, (i.e. to book 44B, page 5733) and there’s no treasure there, the skill of the forgery is all for naught. And for all the resources of the Mossad, the CIA, or others, I see no way that they could go back in time and see to it that a specific page in a 47 year old bound book could be bound in invisibly. And what of the page that is supposed to be there? Where did it go? The index would no longer match, so it would have to be corrected too, and that is another monumental task that would have to be carried out right beneath the noses of the archivists.
Very difficult, bordering on the impossible. The system is designed the way it is to prevent just such a thing happening.
For an amateur, I don’t think they would stand the remotest chance of carrying it off, even the document itself.
An amateur would wind up with something as obviously fake as the Bush National Guard letters. This document is NOT obviously fake.
I find that hard to believe, he is so wimpy and un-athletic, as proved by the girly way he threw out the baseball and he can't even golf, just rides in the cart, or at least one of his doubles does. I'm beginning to believe maybe there was a Barack O, but it ain't this guy
Apparently there were at least TWO friends who saw her and both referenced the year 1961 (which would make him a newborn since there was only a few months left in the year).
Susan Blake and Maxine Box.
good god man! I just noticed you posted this on the front page.
Very funny and yes, it is a fake.
Or lavender scent.
I would find Joe downright comforting after this monstrous fraud.
“Very funny and yes, it is a fake.”
Because.... you say so?
Just enlighten us if you know something we don’t know.
Dude... WATERBOY!!! Every team needs one, even the championship teams.
the long thread, no. 5160
I don't think Seattle vs. Honolulu would matter that much, as all the traffic seemed to go through Europe. Once in London, I'd guess someone could get a flight to Seattle or to Hawaii, probably with at least a stop or two in between.
I won't be able to spend any more time on this today - shouldn't even be on here now!
Can you grab that whole article and post it?
It matches what I found here discussing the autonomy of the mwambao:
Don’t worry autumnraine - its a troll
Exactly right! I wholeheartedly agree.
Anyway, the gist is, they hit the ground running fully prepared to become a Republic, they just had to finalize their constitution.
I agree with your sentiments, and actually, I say welcome to the club to you. I’m glad you’ve been able to see the problems this guy represents, and ask questions.
It’s to your credit that you do. I suspect there are a lot of people out there beginning to wake up to what they signed on to, not that you actually did completely.
Thanks for the comments.
That newspaper article was from 6/64. Why was it called a republic before 12/64.
My point is that the term Republic is that big of deal and was apparently used often.
Birthers can relax - my hometown paper had editorial this morning - Obama a ntive-born American and has a vote of Congress to prove it:
No point speculating. I question how someone obtained an original copy, which this appears to be as opposed to something copied. It makes no sense, therefore I’m weighing in on the side that this is a forgery. If so, it will do more to reduce any future credibility in trying to find out more about this president.
It could very well have been planted by Obama’s people.
My take is to push for full transparency on all fronts not just the BC. I for one do not believe that he was born in Kenya. I would not be surprised if his mother, then only 18, was in favor of her newborn having anything BUT an US citizenship at birth as her anti american sentiments were apparently well known.
Obama was either born in Vancouver or perhaps Hawaii but at some home for unwed mothers.
It doesn’t matter. You can’t blame Obama for the decisions that were made about him before and after he was born.
BUT as it was eloquently put by attorney Carol Swain of Vanderbuilt, that the presidency is owned by the people, scholars and biographers who have a right to know.
lol, man I’m dumb, that’s it! Or Towel boy, “towlie” (Southpark)(think I’ll have alittle smoke first)