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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
Barry's Kenyan B.C.??
Special Motion for leave
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
Bobby Jindal was a U.S. citizen when he took his first breath: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
Excellent research -- thanks. The truth will stand in the end, the lies will fall by the wayside.
Sorry. Pet peeve.
“They figure that his policies, the policies of the Dems will be their Waterloo. That logic is taking a big risk by ignoring this issue. “
I’ll bet if the fairness doctrine messes with thier income, they’ll jump on the birther bandwagon.
And “taking Obama out on policies” was all we heard during the election. Soooo many told us to ignore it, no big deal, focus on the issues... now we have trillion deficit, possible government control healthcare and cap and trade.
How’s that ‘let’s beat Obama on the issues’ thing going?
NO doubt. Just trying to contemplate the enormity of this if it is ever proved zer0 and his accomplices pulled a fast one is too much to imagine, oy
How can we? None of them do anything to instill trust in us. Bottom line, once they get elected they no longer care about us, if they ever did. It’s all about how much they can steal for them and their buddies before we can throw them out, and even that is becoming impossible
I don’t think blacks will riot if it turns out he’s not a natural born citizen — or even a citizen. I think most would be offended by him, frankly.
I’m not sure it is real, and I’m pretty sure that nothing could be done even if Obama were shown to be unqualfied for the presidency. I’m afraid our government has degenerated that far.
Looks like a raised stamp to me. Bottom left of the certificate.
Just like with the natural-born provision, if there is no U.S. statute that mandates enforcement, nothing can be done other than suing, and as we discovered, for that provision, anyone other than a fellow-candidate has no legal standing to sue.
That’s exactly why I favor a multi-pronged attack. Don’t just hit on one thing...hit on all of them.
Attack, attack and attack some more...well, at least that’s what Patton said to do. ;)
It’s so friggin maddening that we can’t get a straight answer from anyone.
I would suggest that we diatance ourselves from this sort of thing until it’s proven to be legit.
I pray more and more will come to that same conclusion, very soon!
That’s what Orly’s trying to do in London right now, I think: Find corroboration of the information.
I will go along with the pardon if we can DEPORT his ass!!!
I dont think blacks will riot if it turns out hes not a natural born citizen or even a citizen. I think most would be offended by him, frankly.
I agree, some are already repulsed by his elitist, extravagant spending. The ones that might riot or commit suicide are the KOS kiddies, progressives, and Marxists.
Over 5,313 posts!!
I’d say this story has legs!
At the bottom of the document, it clearly states that it was produced in February of 1964
I would have expected better analysis from you.
She was evidently avoiding her husband and the relationship that must've thoroughly broken down by the time of the divorce proceeding and it is likely that she would be insecure about trusting him, not knowing whether he would be offended that Barack's Hawaiian citizenship was being used instead of his Kenyan citizenship. She simply could not rely on his silence.
Alternatively, she might not have secured the fraudulent Hawaiian birth certificate until after the divorce case because she was simply unaware of how easy the procedure might be and only learned from her attorney as another Freeper has suggested.
Of course it is also possible that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and that the Kenyan certificate is a counterfeit. It is also possible that no birth certificate was needed or used in the Hawaii divorce case at all.
Whoa .. that’s very focused on ‘right wing extremists’ and race. Is that the only way you feel they’ll grant Hawaii’s birth certificate records ?
No, the exception clause or the grandfather clause had to be there because the Framers themselves were not natural born citizens. Why? There was no United States when THEY were born. But for those born after the Constitution was ratified, all they had to do was BE born. Yet without the grandfather clause, the country could not have had a president at all — until a child born after the Constitution was ratified had attained the age of 35. Long time without a president for a new country, no? That’s the reason for the grandfather clause. Nobody alive at the ratification of the Constitution (except a baby 2 minutes old) could possibly be president unless the living people in the country were exempted from having been born in the United States. Remember that there WAS no United States when George Washington was born.
Yeah, I know. I get sloppy because I don’t hunt down the original post you responded to.
Remember AlGore breaking Federal Election Law getting away with it claiming there was “no governing authority?” If it is real, wanna bet they make the same claim and get away with it?
You mean it's really "jibe turkey"? :)
Ambercrombie is the ONLY one who has ever said anything about their relationship except for two short remarks from her parents. He has never said anything that has been published or recorded about seeing them after the marriage and with the baby.He did speak about seeing the little boy with his grandfather later after Anne returned to the island to go to U of H. There’s a big gap in his memories. Others who have shared their warm memories of O Sr. never mention knowing or seeing Anne and she never appears in any of the photos of O Sr. that have been posted on various FR threads.
If this turns out to be real...imagine the sheer amount of people who would be culpable for this conspiracy! It’s mind boggling...
Bingham’s statement does not trump the federal statute or the 14th Amendment. That’s a fact. Bingham’s statement is not the law.
Why can’t you all realize that the nationality law tells you who is a natural born citizen by defining who is a citizen at birth?
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; ... “
It would sure help to clear things up if the marxist released his vault BC that HI claims to possess.
Birth - August 4, 1961 - Friday
Date of Registration - August 5, 1961 - Saturday
District Registry Office - August 9, 1961 - Wednesday
So, he’s born the 4th.
Perhaps the 5th was when he was entered in the hospital records.
The 9th would be when he was entered into this supposed Book 44B.
I had a brain freeze (gee at 5000 posts) so it does say it is the District Office of Coast Province, Mombasa, Republic of Kenya. Hmm, now what is and where specifically is this office? Wonder if there is a higher office where this info might also be recorded before it made it’s way to England? Are we still assuming eventually it would be forwarded to Britain depending on Mombasa’s 10 mile/republic/flavor of the week status?
It's a beautifully subtle stroke of genius.
If they try blocking it on that basis, they're ALSO doing the SAME thing to the document from Hawaii.
They may grit their teeth but they will NOT checkmate themselves like that!
The date of this Kenyan Birth Registration is February 17th, 1964.
This seems to support that Anne Dunham, shortly after filing for divorce, had to submit proof of Obama Sr. as being the father of the child. As such, the British government generated this “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth” to support Anne's divorce proceedings.
Again, how interesting that this “Certified Copy” was generated 1 month after Anne filed for divorce.
I agree with you. The news libs want you to think otherwise, but being black doesn’t mean you like being lied too.
“I dont think blacks will riot if it turns out hes not a natural born citizen or even a citizen. I think most would be offended by him, frankly.”
Your “explanation” is a nonsequitur.
Over 5,313 posts!!
Id say this story has legs!
Face the facts folks, this issue is not worth wasting FR bandwidth.
Bond, James Bond.
Que the Goldfinger music.
It depends on how it is presented to them...If they are told his roots are NOT truly African American --from slavery stock, but from communist stock and that they have been conned and manipulated by those white roots. They may form the provisional lynching committee.
I have heard that before, but my link does not say any of that. Do you have a link and, if so, which is the most current??
We are getting closer to that too!
“He can not be impeached since he is not President. He would be arrested.”
NO, not at all. Be open to what I am doing:
I am trying to build justification for the disclosure provision I cite, based (in all honesty with you) on the efforts of Obama to marginalize the right and paint them a racists and of course ridicule them.
Can you imagine the colossal BACKFIRE that would be if I used his propaganda in order to gain access to his records, citing HIS safety.
Also, notice the last material of support I offer. From the blogs at politico. It’s worse than hate groups—the left are talking about civil war.
Now, if you didn’t read the whole thing, I wrote about my motivation, not that I had to, but because I want to be fair to all sides. Quite honestly, I focus on the inflammatory left throughout. I take blame as an independent for the disclosure, if granted, and just like that—the right is no longer marginalized on this issue. Someone on the left is, me. And I state what drove me clearly. Please read it all.
Also, read it with an open mind and very carefully. I tried to create the perfect opportunity, for all parties, to grant my request and save face.
I hope I was fair. I meant to be—because the left IS MORE responsible for the racism, race-baiting, threats, and hate. I put it on record, although I used the so-called ‘expert opinion’ about the right-wing in my formal request.
I am trying to solve this peacefully. And not ALLOW you guys, take the blame. I made this request. Not you.
But, in all honesty, I did it for all of us.
The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book Law of Nations.
That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.
John Jay wrote: Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work The Law of Nations applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influential in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the U. S. Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattels Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattels Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Emmerich de Vattels Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the Natural Born Citizen phrase. It nails what is meant by the natural born citizen phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Obama, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the U. S. Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.
Thanks so much for the information PowerPro. Can anyone judge the a guy who is rightfully fearful for his life after the other dead people...
The other dead people: Obama’s homo music director pal in his “church” who as murder and the murdered man who was cooperating with the FBI in the investigation of the passport break in?
Then I found this original constitutional amendment from 1790, look on the top of the page and it explicitly discusses Natural Born Citizen of a child born 'beyond the sea..."
And the children of citizens of the United States born beyond sea or out of the limits of the United States shall be considered as Natural Born Citizens. PROVIDED: That the right of citizenship did not descend to persons WHOSE FATHERS HAVE NEVER BEEN RESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES.
Now to get a definition of "resident" because Obama Sr was here on a student visa;
The U.S. Government permits people who are not American citizens or U.S. green card holders to study in the USA. Any person WHO IS NOT A U.S. RESIDENT can apply to study in America. The person has to obtain a student visa before he or she can start a course of study in the U.S.
Anyone want to reassure me that I'm not crazy and there is something here?
You are correct in that according to Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution a person must be a Natural Born U.S. Citizen (NBC) to be eligible for POTUS. A NBC is a person that is born on American soil to parents that are U.S. citizens.
In mathematical terms:
1 (both parents are US citizens) + 1 (born on American soil) = 2 (qualified per the constitution to be POTUS).
For OBAMA we have:
0 (both parents are US citizens) + 1 (born on American soil) = 1 (not qualified for POTUS)....
0 (both parents are US citizens) + 0 (not born on American soil) = 0 (not qualified for POTUS.
Therefore, it does not matter where OBAMA was born. He is not eligible for POTUS because his father OBAMA Sr. was born in Kenya and was a British citizen.
I defy Wall Street Journal or anyone else to produce a liberal blog that displays even the smallest portion of the intellectual honesty which is thriving here on Free Republic. It is high time that the Wall Street Journal exhibited a degree of intellectual rigor and honesty.
Ahh, thank you voveo! I haven’t seen that section and I will file away for future reference.
That’s why Dr. Taitz is heading to London this week.
Thanks palmer. The basis of your opposition was not clear to me. You have a ligit. question. Lots of ligit. information in all ways... Which leads me to the conclusion - we don’t know one way or another! Dang! Let’s keep our minds open and see what comes out in the long run.