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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
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Not convinced it is fake, btw.
Agreed. It deserves its own thread. I’d appreciate it if someone can take a stab at my questions in post 10,632.
The article was dated in 1992. It states that Roman Obama was 31 years old.
Take B. Obama’s birth year of 1961 and ad 31 years and you get the same 1992.
Is this possible?
Some very weird s*** going on.
"Equatorial Guinea" could be a humorous reference (fnord) to a "coup d'état" on Fernando Poo.
What intruiges me is the inclusion of Seattle on the top LHS of the posted report. Does anyone know how that came to be there?
"Seattle, Washington / Columbia University J.D. / Dartmouth College A.B." are all from the tail end of a section of Orly Taitz's letter commenting on Mr. Siddharth Velamoor who is Judge David Carter's new clerk (the one from the Obamaish law firm). See page 8 of 14 from Orly Taitz's letter to Judge Carter.
Thanks for the ping ... marking for later read as I attempt to catch up before my next “unavailable” period.
Perhaps, it was by this very (newly "discovered") law, HI Territorial Law 57, that someone was able to fill out this application (?) shown below, for a HI birth certificate that was only ever FILED and never ACCEPTED. Then, when HRS 338-17.8 was passed (in 1982), the record was amended to coincide with the new updated statue...perhaps triggered by someone needing a copy of the original record for some reason.
From the MOTION containing the HI Territorial Law 57 filled in the HOLLISTER v SOETORO case (linked above)...
"What in fact the territorial statute in effect before the 1982 statute sets out is an even greater latitude enabling and entitling persons to register a child for up to a year after its birth and to do so, if not attended by a locally licensed physician or midwife, for the parents or one of them to fill out the birth certificate or for a local registrar to fill out a birth certificate from anyone having knowledge of the birth. Thus a child born outside of Hawaii and attended by a non-Hawaii licensed health care provider or born unattended could get a Hawaii birth certificate nonetheless."
Let’s keep this issue alive.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Glenn Beck is way off on the BC issue.
Thanks for the Ping!
Possibly an application ...
Anyone know the chain of custody of this document?
Where theres smoke, theres fire.
Glenn Beck is way off on the BC issue."
Completely agree, on all three accounts.
Quite a few JPG artifacts there.
Must be a fake.
Chain of custody: Birther -> Parent’s Basement -> Photoshop -> Internet
The jury’s out until Polarki weighs in on the image’s veracity, right?
As I recall, it came from some lawyer in Ohio or in the Midwest who sent it to Charlton at Post & Email. The lawyer said he got it from a client.
Looks pretty damning to me if genuine.
It is genuine.
From the MOTION:
"II. THE TERRITORIAL LAW 57 AND ITS SIMILARITY TO THE1982 LAW OF THE STATE OF HAWAII
We attach to this new motion for judicial notice a copy of Chapter 57, Vital Statistics, the law concerning these matters as it was in the Territorial laws in question. The statute of the Territory thus attached is from the Revised Laws of the Territory of Hawaii 1955 in Three Volumes as published by the authority of the Territory of Hawaii by the Filmer Brothers Press, 330 Jackson Street, San Francisco, California. These three volumes comprise the statutes of the territory including the acts passed at the regular session of 1955 and the special session of1956 as consolidated, revised and annotated. As can be seen, because we attach italso and request judicial notice thereof, these three volumes of the statutes of the Territory are certified by the chairman of the compilation commission of the Revised Laws of Hawaii 1955 as appointed by the Governor of the Territory of Hawaii under Act 179 of the Session Laws of Hawaii, 1953."
As for weather or not attorney Apuzzo know's yet...I don't know.
I think Apuzzo is aware of this, too. I heard Charles Kerchner (his client in Kerchner v Obama) on a talk radio program saying that the grandmother filed the certificate in Hawaii. With the document you posted, his words now make perfect sense to me.
As you know, I am following the eligibility issue closely. Thanks for your continuing updates. ;)
Ah, now I remember. Lawyer had similar name to the Erickson person - relative?
Posted: January 08, 2010
8:34 pm Eastern
President Obama's official spokesman deflected a question today about the president's alleged place of birth.
At the White House press briefing, Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent there, asked, "While he was in Hawaii, did the president visit the hospital where he was reportedly born, which is which one?"
Spokesman Robert Gibb deflected.
"I don't believe I saw any pool reports of hospital visits," he said.
From Taitz's site...
Letter from Senator McCain
Posted on | January 19, 2010 |
I actually didn't send my pleadings to senator McCain. Those were forwarded to him by one of my supporters, Mr. Murray [ed. for that story, read here McCain disagrees with audience member on a president's birthplace], a former law enforcement officer from Utah. I appreciate expedient response from senator McCain, however he is wrong in his assumption, that there is nothing he can do. There are two things that he can do and actually has a duty to do. First- he can bring the issue of Obamas illegitimacy to presidency to the floor og the Senate and demand immediate Senate Judicial committee hearing. Two- he can sign on as one of my plaintiffs to refile the case in DC. He has the best standing to file Quo Warranto. Senator McCain could withstand torture by Vietnamese communists for years, he can withstand putting his signature on the pleadings. If I could withstand constant death threats, tampering with my car, convicted forgers submitting perjured testimony in different courts to undermine my law license, Obamas brown shirts in the media and government constantly insulting me, assaulting, harassing and subjecting to retaliations; I am sure he can withstand putting his signature on the pleadings. Please write open letters to each and every congressman and senator, demanding they become plaintiffs or demand that they resign and let people with some guts take their place. (please cc to me).
James Edwards from United systems of Arkansas has offered reduced fee for sending mass certified mail letters to Congress and Senate. Currently I completely ran put of funds and cant do it. If we will have funds, well send certified mail letters.
Quo Warranto is being filed today in DCContinued:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Dr. ORLY TAITZ, PRO SE Plaintiff
Barack Hussein Obama, Defendant.
The court has jurisdiction under DC statute §§16-3501- 16-3503. Federal court is proper as diversity between the parties exist and the case revolves around the Federal Question of eligibility of the President under Quo Warranto.
[snip] From birth and until now Mr. Obama had citizenship of and allegiance to three other nations: Great Britain, Kenya and Indonesia.
Taitz is an attorney and has submitted request to Attorney General Eric Holder and US attorney for the District of Columbia Jeffrey Taylor to file Quo Warranto, to ascertain Obamas legitimacy for presidency . After 9 months of waiting she did not receive any response from either Attorney General or US attorney for the district of Columbia. She is seeking an ex-relator status to proceed with Quo Warranto. [snip]
New document filed in the Taitz v. Obama QW case in D.C. (02-02-2010)
Motion to Intervene by Christopher Earl Strunk
Thanks for the update!
Not sure if you have seen this yet.
Investigators declare, Obama never attended Columbia University
Yeah, pretty amazing...isn’t it? Although, really...not surprised!
I’m thinking it’s a COLB because of the “Birth Register” and it’s dated Feb. 1964. So, it looks as though someone made a request for the BC and the authorities looked it up (referring to Book 44B, Page 5733) to find when the original birth certificate was registered with the Kenyan government. But it still refers to an actual birth certificate issued by Kenya at the time of the birth in 1961.
Okay, let’s get some technical experts on this!
I wonder who runs the Urban Legends about 0bomba website. Could it possibly be a leftist organization - nah.
Yeah. I'm sure they are just as credible as the two basement lefty hacks a/k/a snopes.
I’m surprised to get a response on a thread this old, but I suppose that cyberspace is forever.
You make a good point, and I’m sure that I thought the same when I was actively studying this. I’ve now lost all track of where this issue stands. The interest and excitement around this issue has died off a lot, as one lawsuit after another has been thrown out of court.
I thought that the suit brought before Judge Carter in San Diego had the best chances of success, but then he rolled on us. I took my attention off the issue after that.
Thanks for the ping.
"Story #6: Blogger on Obama and Tilikum the Killer Whale
RUSH: A blogger Who is this guy? Bungalow Bill. Bungalow Bill commenting on the unfortunate death at Sea World yesterday where that whale pulled the trainer in there and it was over: "We Know More About Tilikum the KILLER Whale in Five Hours, Than We Knew About Obama Before the Election ... The mainstream media failed to report on Obama's college days, his birth certificate, his drug use, his associations with Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis, his connections to ACORN, his participation with the Annenberg project, how he used the courts to win earlier elections, his direction towards communism, racial beliefs, and all the dirty little secrets hidden so Obama could assume office. Now that he is president, the mainstream media still fails to dig deeply into the healthcare plan, the stimulus plan, and all the other controversial bills leading towards socialism."
... and the answer is "No."
But the truth is out there and we're still looking.
Maybe not, STARWISE. Fred Nerks says it is not the same document and I respect his opinion. So this thread ain’t over yet - probably.
For anyone wanting to know why, begin reading this other thread at this point:
...and continue reading at least through all the posts of March 7, 2010. (Sorry, there is no quick way to explain it.)
This is a correction to my post #10,689.
“Is this really it? (re: possible Obama’s Kenyan B.C....”:
... and the answer is “No.”
The only certainty we know is all we don’t yet know.
For the record:
Better Malcolm Little (x) Autopsy photo here:
Credit for last link> Fred Nerks
"VIOLATION OF PLAINTIFFS RIGHTS UNDER 5 USC 552 FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT
VIOLATION OF PLAINTIFFS CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER 42 USC 1983, 42 USC 1985
VIOLATION OF COMMERCE CLAUSE AND OF PLAINTIFFS RIGHTS TO GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT AS A DOCTOR OF DENTAL SURGERY UPON DEFENDANTS IMMINENT SIGHNING OF THE HEALTH BILL HR 3590 and HR 3962
Respondent/Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, hereinafter Obama, Acting President of the United States and Commander in Chief, who refused to present in any court of law or to the public any vital records that would show his eligibility as for US presidency based on Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution, as one born in the United States to two citizen parents without allegiance to any other sovereignties[emphasis in complaint]. From birth and until now Mr. Obama had citizenship and allegiance to three other nations: Great Britain, Kenya and Indonesia.
I. What is Respondent Obamas standard and burden of proof of his birthplace under Quo Warranto and ethical duties? - Considering Obamas first cousin Raela Odinga, Prime Minister of Kenya, sealed alleged records of Obamas birth in Mombasa; while the State of Hawaii holds Obamas original sealed birth records, allows registration of births out of State, allows registration based on a statement of one relative only without any corroborating evidence and seals original birth records [emphasis in complaint].
II. Does the State of Hawaiis withholding Respondents Obamas original birth records by privacy laws breach the U.S. C ONST . by obstructing constitutional rights duties of the People to vote, and State and Federal election officers to challenge, validate & evaluate qualifications of presidential candidates based on legally acceptable and not fraudulent records and the President Elect., per U.S. C ONST . art. II § 1, art. VI, & amend. XX § 3?
III. Does the restrictive qualification for President of natural born citizen over citizen include allegiance to the U.S.A. from birth without any foreign allegiance, as required of the Commander in Chief in time of war to preserve the Republic, including birth within the jurisdiction of the U.S.A. to parents who both had U.S. citizenship at that birth, and having retained that undivided loyalty?
IV. Does birth to or adoption by a non-citizen father or mother incur foreign allegiance sufficient to negate being a natural born citizen and disqualify a candidate from becoming President?
V. Having attained ones majority, do actions showing divided loyalty with continued allegiance to the foreign nationality of ones minority evidence foreign allegiance sufficient to disqualify one from being a natural born citizen with undivided loyalty to the U.S.A., such as campaigning for a candidate in a foreign election, or traveling on a foreign passport?
VI. Does a presidential candidate or President Elect by default fail to qualify under U.S. C ONST ., art. II § 2 and amend. XX, § 3, if they neglect their burden to provide State or Federal election officers prima facie evidence of each of their identity, age, residence, and natural born citizenship, sufficient to meet respective State or Federal statutory standards?
VII. Do candidates for office disqualify themselves if they seek office under a birth name differing from a name given by adoption, or vice versa, when they neglect to provide election officers prima facie evidence of legal changes to their name, or if they neglect to legally change their name?
VIII. Does a President elect fail to qualify through breach of ethical disclosure duties, and obstruction of election officers constitutional duties to challenge, validate and evaluate qualifications for President, by withholding or sealing records evidencing identity, age, residency, or allegiance, or by claiming privacy and opposing in court efforts by Electors, election officers, or the People to obtain and evaluate such records?
IX. Does misprision by Federal election officers cause a President Elect to fail to qualify, if they neglect or refuse to challenge, validate, or evaluate qualifications of Electors or a President Elect, being bound by oath to support the Constitution and laws, after citizens provided information challenging those qualifications via petitions for redress of grievance, or by law suits?
X. To uphold its supremacy and inviolability, and to preserve the Republic, does the U.S. Constitution grant standing to Citizens to bring suit or quo warranto over negligence, obstruction, misprision, or breach of constitutional duties, and protect the Peoples rights?
Book 1, Chapter 19, §212. In his book Dreams From my Father as well as on his web site Fight the Smears respondent Obama admitted to the fact that his father was never a US citizen, but rather a British citizen from a British colony of Kenya and based on British Nationality act respondent Obama was a British citizen at birth and a Kenyan citizen from age 2 on December 12, 1961 when Kenya became an independent nation. As such, for the reason of his allegiance to foreign nations from birth respondent Obama never qualified as a Natural Born citizen. "
First Amended Complaint - Taitz v Obama (filed 3/22/2010)
BO is giving more and more fuel to add to this fire.
Indeed. At least, I would certainly think so.
I wish someone more competent than Orly Taitz would take this on.
Seems like this would be a good time for whoever has the real BC to drop it. Surely Barry0 has offended just about every possible enemy by now.
Problem is, currently, there is no one more competent than her willing to do this.
If/when the current state's challenges to Barrycare get shot down in court (unfortunately, remains a possibility), perhaps they (the state's Attny's General/Governor's) will themselves file a QW and/or suit in SCOTUS as having original jurisdiction.
Not holding out too much hope for that though, at this point in time.
Will someone who’s business is closed because of ObamaCare fines have standing?