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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

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To: Smokin' Joe

And that is why if the conspircacy to destroy this country rests between 0bama, Biden, Hillary, Pelosi, etc. investigation and prosecution of all should ensue.


601 posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:24 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: DaveTesla

How long before Drudge puts up a story about this BC?


602 posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:25 AM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: perchprism

Your computer possibly shut down due to the Gooberment having placed a program to tell them who doesn’t accept Obama’s whelping place being Hawaii.

HE IS watching you.

;-(


603 posted on 08/02/2009 4:57:49 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Fred Nerks

He called it a fake me a fraud and was far short of diplomatic about it. He has earned my judgment on that.


604 posted on 08/02/2009 4:57:50 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: djf

Getting this news out right before Obama’s birthday! HAHAHA


605 posted on 08/02/2009 4:58:36 AM PDT by RatsDawg
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To: SE Mom

Yeah ... let me know.

The date is the same for birth.


606 posted on 08/02/2009 4:58:47 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: SE Mom

I’m afraid to go to the infected sites and wasn’t able to zoom in to read it...what does it actually say? Same date only in Kenya?


607 posted on 08/02/2009 4:58:54 AM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Red Steel

But we can aregue, “our COLB looks more real than your COLB!” lol!

Hopefully, someone can authenticate this. Orly’s website has a request for experts with knowledge of the Kenyan officials cited on the document.


608 posted on 08/02/2009 4:59:01 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: rxsid

Because the page seems to be infected, I would assume the site owner has a profit motive to have as many hits as possible in order to infect as many computers as possible.

The fact that IE lets people go there without warning simply means microsoft is inferior to other browsers.

Blaming others like google or obots is what I would expect from a guilty flim flam artist.

Here is how malware can make money-from wikipedia:

However, since the rise of widespread broadband Internet access, malicious software has come to be designed for a profit motive, either more or less legal (forced advertising) or criminal. For instance, since 2003, the majority of widespread viruses and worms have been designed to take control of users’ computers for black-market exploitation.[citation needed] Infected “zombie computers” are used to send email spam, to host contraband data such as child pornography[8], or to engage in distributed denial-of-service attacks as a form of extortion.

Another strictly for-profit category of malware has emerged in spyware — programs designed to monitor users’ web browsing, display unsolicited advertisements, or redirect affiliate marketing revenues to the spyware creator. Spyware programs do not spread like viruses; they are generally installed by exploiting security holes or are packaged with user-installed software, such as peer-to-peer applications.


609 posted on 08/02/2009 4:59:04 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: djf
This is the very first time we have specific names, specific titles, and a specific place (hospital) associated with his birth.

Yes, it is. Now we need to do the FR thing and verify whether or not all this is on the level. With those specifics, it may be possible to either refute or (even better) not be able to refute the claim based on those specifics.

We need to look at document font (was that typewriter font around, what machine, etc.) and verify whether the people were in those positions at the time of the documents genesis (provided it is genuine). While this will not incontravertably prove the document nor the information therein to be genuine, it will demonstrate whether or not it could be.

Although a preponderance of evidence is not sufficient to remove reasonable doubt, the absence of disproving evidence would crank the heat up on the issue and further damage credibility in the Obama camp and in the MSM, with the exception of those who give the issue creedence.

I am taking a wait and see attitude with this one. We have a lot of work to do.

The hospital is there, now, when was it constructed?

610 posted on 08/02/2009 4:59:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: spycatcher

Actually, that’s no surprise. I read something in the last few days (right wing nutjob site...where I’m confortable. LOL) that said essentially:

If Obama can’t get Cap and Trade, and National Healthcare passed, he was going to be thrown under the bus in favor of a race war. I can’t recall the source..perhaps Oil for Immigration?

Translation=if they don’t pass what he wants, screw it...we’ll take a race war.

I’m rather dubious.


611 posted on 08/02/2009 4:59:12 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Diverdogz

Hopefully not until this document is completely authenticated or he could be made to look really bad.


612 posted on 08/02/2009 4:59:18 AM PDT by PowerPro (2009 - Conservative Revolution Reborn (Go Palin!))
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To: Kennard

The key point is NOT the precise and correct terminology for Kenya’s form of government in August of 1964 but whether similar documents known to be authentic issued at the time from the same source used the same form.


613 posted on 08/02/2009 5:00:13 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Danae
Don’t give up till your face hits the keyboard! LOL

Damn, it's like you almost know me or something. LOL.

I'm incorrigible when it comes to FR.

614 posted on 08/02/2009 5:00:24 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SE Mom

Whoa @@@ !!!

And keyboards and blackberries are on fire at some big house in DC, I’ll bet.

I haven’t been to bed .... pflurch .. gonna have
to give it up soon.


615 posted on 08/02/2009 5:00:26 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: spycatcher
How and why is this document different? I must have missed that. http://file.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/mombasa_copy.jpg

It looks like the same document to me, only one image shows it with a perforated edge and a tear in the upper right, whereas the other does not.

Between that, and the issue regarding the date of the formation of the Kenyan Republic, the document seems suspicious to me. But definitely worth investigation.

Also, in examining person's motives, it seems worthy to consider Taitz's position here. If she submits an obvious forgery to a Federal Court, in hopes of bringing down the standing government, she will be ruined professionally, if not sued for libel. Obama, on the other hand, is fighting so hard that it seems that he has something to hide.

"May you live in interesting times."
616 posted on 08/02/2009 5:00:39 AM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: Scanian
I don't understand why Dr Orly is soliciting for document forensic experts online, when she can simply hire a reputable one. They do exist.
617 posted on 08/02/2009 5:01:24 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Smokin' Joe

The hospital had a sign up for a while saying that Obama was born there.


618 posted on 08/02/2009 5:01:26 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Red Steel

Good point!


619 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:05 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Danae

Salamander has a decent one up thread...
....weren’t you turning in .... toooo ???

;)


620 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:24 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Mount Athos
The Republic of Kenyan Constitution was ratified on December 12, 1963.

The document you show is dated December 10, 1963.

621 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:28 AM PDT by Nasher (Sec. of The WH Swingset Hillary: Hows that whole Hope&Change thingy working out for ya?)
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To: STARWISE

Even I am getting drowzy, I’m gonna take a nap, its 4am here in Alaska, be back later on this.


622 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:33 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Eye of Unk

You are right in that if this document were real, the Hawaiian one would almost certainly have been based purely on the false testimony of one of his relatives.


623 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:34 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Eye of Unk

This Certificate is superior to the Hawaii Certification in that it includes additional details MISSING from the Hawaiian COLB proffered by Obama’s minions, but which would be found on the as-filed Certificate of Live Birth that has been protected by Obama. Like the identity of the hospital of birth. What if Zero’s shows NO hospital but claims him as a home birth on Madeline Dunham’s attestation?

This docuemt is at least as worth of prima facie acceptance of the fact of Zero’s birth as the Hawwaii COLB.


624 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:47 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Windflier

Lol I am cheating. I am in bed w/ my iPhone


625 posted on 08/02/2009 5:02:58 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: rxsid

Looks good to me! Book em Danno!


626 posted on 08/02/2009 5:03:13 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: bustinchops
No, the mother would have needed it for court-ordered custody and naturalization. She may have feared ostammer sr. would try to take her son back to Kenya unless she got custody and got him naturalized.

If that's the case, then how in the heck did Orly get ahold of it? Everything on Obama's end has been sealed up like a brick wall since before the election.

Seems to me, that she would have more likely gotten it through a Kenyan channel.

There's nothing saying that both parents didn't get a copy for their own purposes.

627 posted on 08/02/2009 5:03:16 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Diverdogz

It’s not even on WND yet. How is that possible?


628 posted on 08/02/2009 5:03:25 AM PDT by omniscient (No birth certificate - no peace)
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To: Red Steel

What 6 month gap & what is its’ relevance?


629 posted on 08/02/2009 5:03:36 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: RetroSexual

if she posted a deliberate fraud with such far reaching implications i suspect she’d be more than ruined professionally. this probably gets to the level of sedition.
of course the word deliberate is paramount.


630 posted on 08/02/2009 5:03:57 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: chopperman

“”Records in Kenya were sealed by Government order after Obama the Kenyan got elected.””

“If he was born in Hawaii, then there wouldn’t be any Kenyan records to seal.”

have thought ‘bout this for some time-you’re probably correct, but his dad, BO SR., may have had some paperwork stuff to tidy up re. his ‘divorce’ from BO JR’s mom-stuff sealed for privacy only.....


631 posted on 08/02/2009 5:04:09 AM PDT by 1234
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To: rxsid
Dobbs: Whether this document is fake or real, there is no way that the mainstream media can force tv Dobbs to shut up now.

Dobbs already has enough growing public interest concerning this fake or real birth certificate to keep listeners hotly debating this Kenyan birth certificate for the next few months.

Because this Kenyan birth certificate issue will grow into an even hotter issue as days go by, I don't see how people can continue to argue that Dobbs should not discuss the Obama long form birth certificate issue anymore.

632 posted on 08/02/2009 5:04:51 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Windflier

Good for your nose


633 posted on 08/02/2009 5:05:51 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: rxsid

I don’t believe there was a “Republic of Kenya” which could appoint Principal Registrars in 1961.


634 posted on 08/02/2009 5:06:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: Danae

Actually I don’t think 0bama got there in a vacume.

0bama won’t be the only one to take the fall over it. Many top democrats were in on it. And the chain of succession doesn’t look too good.

1. Vice President of the United States
2. Speaker of the House
3. President pro Tempore of the Senate

4. Secretary of State
5. Secretary of the Treasury
6. Secretary of Defense
7. Attorney General
8. Secretary of the Interior
9. Secretary of Agriculture
10. Secretary of Commerce
11. Secretary of Labor
12. Secretary of Health & Human Services
13. Secretary of Housing & Urban Development
14. Secretary of Transportation
15. Secretary of Energy
16. Secretary of Education
17. Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs
18. Secretary of Homeland Security


635 posted on 08/02/2009 5:06:31 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: rxsid
If this is a fake, someone went to great lengths to mimic what happens to paper after it's been folded/opened many times over many years.

If you look carefully where the horizontal and vertical folds intersect, you can see small separations that occur as stress tears. There are also small tears at the margins at some of the fold lines.

These tears are the greatest at the bottom fold line, which proves that the top third was folded downward first, with the bottom third folded up and over the first. Thus there's more stress to the paper on the bottom fold due to the slight increase of the paper's thickness (effectively, two sheet's worth) and is where the greatest separation occurs.

Furthermore, this piece of paper was folded so that the printed side remains folded inside with the non-printed side on the outside.

It would be very helpful to see the backside of the paper for any expected signs of scuffing and oxidation. It would also be good to have better image resolution to see if the paper's margins, both inside and out, have telltale oxidation; i.e., the yellowish tint that turns white as you move from the paper's margins toward the center of the paper.

Just some observations from a guy who's handled loads of old paper documents.........

636 posted on 08/02/2009 5:07:07 AM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: John Valentine
What if Zero’s shows NO hospital but claims him as a home birth on Madeline Dunham’s attestation?

And hence the reason for "FILED" vs. "ACCEPTED".

637 posted on 08/02/2009 5:07:10 AM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: rxsid

Ping.


638 posted on 08/02/2009 5:07:20 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Good questions all.

I also recall that O’s grandmother in Africa said she was present at his birth.
Did she ever mention Coast General Hospital?

Any good digitally minded FReepers who can extract an enhancement of the impressed seal on the document?

There’s lots of ways to discredit this document and you know what?

I almost hope it is false. Because if it is real, we are now faced with a crisis this country has never faced the like of. And possible if not probable civil war.

Obama, if he has any sense of honesty and dignity and integrity should release ANY AND ALL documents immediately!!


639 posted on 08/02/2009 5:07:36 AM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: SE Mom; rxsid

LOL ... we’re in Breaking ...............


640 posted on 08/02/2009 5:07:48 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
Has anyone sent these two photos of BHO’s Kenyan COLB to the Hawaiian officials?

You mean Fuk i no?

641 posted on 08/02/2009 5:08:09 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: omniscient
From Joseph Farah onTwitter | 7/31/09 | (WND)

Trust me for now: More coming next week on Birth-gate. You will be stunned. No more will anyone say there's "no evidence."

4:25 PM Jul 31st from web

642 posted on 08/02/2009 5:08:14 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Boucheau

A number of posters are saying their browser is giving them messages that the site is infected.

I visited the site several times using Google Chrome and I get NO message at all.


643 posted on 08/02/2009 5:08:22 AM PDT by webschooner (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -- Mahatma Gandhi)
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To: wiggen

Right. Orly Taitz did due diligence this week, checking on the registrar who signed it originally, etc, and could not refute the authenticity. So that’s why she went public and is asking the courts now.


644 posted on 08/02/2009 5:08:23 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: RetroSexual
It looks like the same document to me, only one image shows it with a perforated edge and a tear in the upper right, whereas the other does not.

GOOD POINT!!!! Are there two different copies? Maybe one was a trial run... and then the creator decided to get cute and age one?



645 posted on 08/02/2009 5:08:24 AM PDT by Swordmaker (remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: RetroSexual; spycatcher
How and why is this document different? I must have missed that. http://file.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/mombasa_copy.jpg
--SpyCatcher

It looks like the same document to me, only one image shows it with a perforated edge and a tear in the upper right, whereas the other does not.
--RetroSexual

Sorry if there is some no-brainer, obvious answer to this, but why wouldn't they both be torn? Where did the torn document come from? For that matter, where did the other one come from?
646 posted on 08/02/2009 5:09:31 AM PDT by ofwaihhbtn (Science is not defined as that which supports atheistic materialism)
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To: DaveTesla

Read this ... her site is ok for me on IE only NOT Firefox,
but I don’t doubt the attacks

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/


647 posted on 08/02/2009 5:09:56 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: RetroSexual

So this document has been around for awhile?


648 posted on 08/02/2009 5:10:22 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: bustinchops

Biden gets brain anuerism, Pelosi’s brain explodes when she hears the news, Byrd slips on a banana peel, and follows his foot into the grave.


649 posted on 08/02/2009 5:10:56 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: DaveTesla

OK...and?


650 posted on 08/02/2009 5:10:58 AM PDT by Boucheau (The enemy of freedom is on the left.)
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