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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate ^ | 08/02/2009

Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

And then one of our moderators spotted this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate

It has several clues, but also there's this question:

Who is E. F. Lavender?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi

Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?


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To: SE Mom

Well even if it is a fake, I certainly enjoyed being glued to that thread for 14 hours straight today! ;)


101 posted on 08/02/2009 5:40:57 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

WND link

I was wrong above. E.F. Lavender clinches nothing now.

102 posted on 08/02/2009 5:41:30 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

All of last week I was half-way wondering what was with the din of leftwing hysteria and the sudden full-court against “birthers”.

It seemed as contrived and coordinated as most everything in our media etc these days - and just as politically driven. It almost seemed as if they were pro-actively attempting to discredit something.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the fact this document would service soon was know in various circles. It’s certainly potentially significant enough so that some very real resources would be directed at knowing this.

If it’s real and those various circles knew it was about to be released - the sudden barrage of spin last week would be entirely consistent with it being real.

Seems almost like some are overly-anxious to throw this one under the bus.

Perhaps it’s not a plant.

Just saying.


103 posted on 08/02/2009 5:41:38 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Governor Palin is to Comrade Zero, as Ronald Reagan was to Jimmy Carter.)
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To: savedbygrace
"Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place."

That's the camp I fall into. Everything else is just useless noise. People should have stipulated from the very beginning that Barry was born in HI. He still doesn't meet the eligibility requirements of the POTUS for the very reason you cite.

So long as people are searching for the "magic birth certificate", or lack there of, they won't be addressing the legitimate claim of illegitimacy - just the way Obama wants it.

104 posted on 08/02/2009 5:42:06 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Jim Robinson

obumpa


105 posted on 08/02/2009 5:42:24 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Thanks...they mention in their article that they saw similar b.c.’s but not that they were signed by the same officials.


106 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:07 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: LucyT

That DU thread should be saved for later reference.


107 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:10 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LucyT

So in other words The DU is going to be forging Birth Certificates for Obama....


108 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:10 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Safrguns

Yeah good luck with that.


109 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:25 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: Safrguns

Right. A lot can come of this in a day or so—at this point it could go either way.


110 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:28 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: Jim Robinson; xzins

I knew it was a fake when it didn’t list Satan as the father.


111 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: maggief
Companies Art 1800. GREAT GRETA COAL COMPANY LIMITED. NOTICE is hereby given that at a special meeting of the above-named company, hold at the office of Messrs. Pentland and Roberts, 467 Chan eery-lane, Melbourne, on Mon- day, the 6th day of November, 1893, the following special resolu- tions were passed, viz.:— 1. That as the above-named company have ceased operations it is advisable that it be voluntary wound up. 2. That Charles Medcalf, of Victoria Buildings, Swaiiston- street, Melbourne, be appointed liquidator for the purpose of the said winding up. WM. H. ROBERTS, Chairman. Witness—E. F. Lavender, clerk to Messrs. Pentland and Roberts, solicitors, Melbourne. 10862

Thanks -- so the name is real.

112 posted on 08/02/2009 5:43:41 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: RummyChick

One thing IS certain...This is all Obama’s fault for being so secretive about his past. I don’t understand people that think this will ‘hurt conservatives..blablahbla’ or it’s a ‘set-up’ to make us all look ‘nuts’ or ‘racists’. Think about it for a minute...if Obama, Rahm and Axelrod are playing political games like this..it really does reflect badly on them more than anyone else. They are suppose to be ‘busy’ with’ doing the business of the people’..not playing juvenile games of hide and seek on the internet nor is it good use of the ‘peoples time and money’ to be spending millions of dollars to obfuscate Obama’s past records.

Something doesn’t add up and THAT is the problem.


113 posted on 08/02/2009 5:45:03 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

See #102... I pulled it back from under the bus. I jumped the gun on E.F. Lavender.

I’m not convinced, but I’m definitely intrigued. I want this sucker verified.


114 posted on 08/02/2009 5:45:08 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Fractal Trader
If you had read the WND article, you would see that they DID compare it to another certificate from the same period and THEY MATCHED. And both were signed by E.F. Lavender!

Let's see.

1) The article doesn't say they compared it to a certificate from the SAME PERIOD. They might have compared with a 1965 document, which would explain why the comparison document had "Republic of Kenya" heading and seal...

2) You say both certificates were signed by E.F. Lavender. That's not correct. The Article only shows a single certificate, two pictures of the same certificate. The article doesn't state who the registrar was for the comparison certificate. No image is provided for the second, comparison certificate.

3) WND needs to provide a picture a comparison document dated before december 12 1964 that has "republic of kenya" heading or seal. If they can't (and I really doubt they can!) then this document is presumably a big fake.
115 posted on 08/02/2009 5:45:47 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I tried to find something about EF Lavender earlier. I failed, but I did notice that Lavender seems to be a relatively common name in Kenya.


116 posted on 08/02/2009 5:47:46 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: appleseed
Take my case for instance - 3 different times I applied for a Fed. job. Went through the whole process including test, physical, interview and background check. Met with OPM investigators for several hours and answered several questions in which I knew they would investigate. And investigate they did, to include ex-wife and neighbors I had several years prior.

My question is - Did they do the same for Hussein Obama?

I hate to break it to you but that kind of thing has not been done to any presidential candidate. We generally rely on the really long campaigns to do the "vetting" process. Not saying it's right or wrong but it's no different from any other President.

117 posted on 08/02/2009 5:49:36 PM PDT by saquin
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To: mkmensinger

Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.

Fake


118 posted on 08/02/2009 5:50:01 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Seems almost like some are overly-anxious to throw this one under the bus.

Perhaps it’s not a plant.

Just saying.

Many of these Yahoos won't let this play out proclaiming it a forgery on the flimsiest of evidence. While the Obama COLB took weeks and months of going over. As you see Obama gets a pass for everything. You can't question the Faux presidency....in time we should have an answer.

119 posted on 08/02/2009 5:50:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SE Mom

I seriously doubt that Mrs. Meyers earth friendly lavender soap is sold in Kenya.


120 posted on 08/02/2009 5:50:44 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: penelopesire
I agree.

Why spend so much money and effort at removing and hiding every bit of background history about him, and then turn around and actively draw attention to it. Doesn't make sense.

121 posted on 08/02/2009 5:51:55 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: freekitty

So we are back to square 1?


122 posted on 08/02/2009 5:52:12 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: RummyChick

Thanks for the link.


123 posted on 08/02/2009 5:52:17 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Jim Robinson

i just got an email about this and came here for more news.

i guess i’m disappointed that the document is already being questioned as fake. I thought maybe Dr. Taitz had uncovered something.

the 44-O-47 coincidence is a bit suspicious.

what can we do besides wait for the outcome of the authentication?


124 posted on 08/02/2009 5:53:17 PM PDT by romans828
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To: mkmensinger

Some of the cluefinding stuff is getting a bit kooky.

Joshua Simon Oduya

Joshua??? (Just joshing - of course!)

Simon??? (Simon says...)

Oduya??? (Oh, do ya? You betcha!)


125 posted on 08/02/2009 5:54:04 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Miss Didi

They do, under that picture. Which upon close reflection, is a close-up of BHO’s.

I need to take a break and make some more coffee.


126 posted on 08/02/2009 5:55:00 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: saquin

Just sayin but was is good for me as low level Govt. employee is also good for top ladder bozo. Different strokes for different folks only applies to the current occupant. Had my past drug through the dirt why not his?


127 posted on 08/02/2009 5:55:01 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: BuffaloJack
I don't know anything about it, but Wikipedia said:

On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain's Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty).

Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.

128 posted on 08/02/2009 5:55:44 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: penelopesire

Page 45

May 20, 1925

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dk6b_C8Spi4J:gazettebeta.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1873/V/general/9.pdf+LAVENDER,+%22QUARTZ.+MINING+COMPANY+%22&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Signed by the said Thomas John Ledingham and Stanley
Murgatroyd Skidmore, in the presence of—E. F. Lavender,
managing clerk to E. L. VaiF and Son, solicitors, Melbourne.
E. L. Vail and Son, of the corner of Collins and Elizabeth
streets, Melbourne, Victoria, solicitors for the said Thomas
John Ledingham and Stanley Murgatroyd Skidmore. 3716


129 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:00 PM PDT by maggief
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Folks, this is a distraction....How many of you emailed your Congressional Representatives today? Contacted your Senators regarding their Sotomayor vote this week? Attended a town hall? Coordinated any political activity?

There are better ways to defeat this Marxist!


His poll numbers have dropped and he is failing in public opinion of his actions. Congress is running scared after the past two weeks of citizen outcry. We need to keep up the attack on their positions, principles and actions. Let's Roll!
130 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:06 PM PDT by callisto (It's the three T' s: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: America2012
The number in itself means nothing - see my other post to you on the subject. It depends on the question, "To what is that number a key?" If it's number of documents of that type issued since December 1963, the number 47,044 is not implausible - maybe even prophetic.

E. F. Lavender - not sure about that yet. "Earth-friendly Lavender"? If that is the case, I won't be buying that product ever! :-)

131 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:15 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: appleseed

I understand. I used to work with a guy from Africa that I can’t remember why was questioned by the FBI. They knew what he was doing a specific day when he was 5 years old in Africa. We were all astounded by that.

So don’t tell me Obama can not produce is true and verified birth certificate.


132 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:17 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Jim Robinson

But consider that if you Google 10 billion pages for any combination of common words, you will get lots of hits.

I Googled E. F. Robinson and got a ton of hits.


133 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:21 PM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: spycatcher

Actually, Oduya plays for the NJ Devils.


134 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:25 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: BuffaloJack; All
Buffalo Jack made a really good point that many here are ignoring. Regardless of whether this particular document is a fake or not, this will still be a valid point if another supposed Kenyan BC surfaces that also shows "Mombasa" as his birthplace:
This is just weird. Mombass wasn’t part of Kenya in 1961.
Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963.

Here's some further verification:

"Officially this coastal strip still belonged to Zanzibar until ceded to a newly independent Kenya in 1963."

The coast city of Mombasa was not technically part of Kenya in 1961 when Obama was born. It was part of Zanzibar. So why would Obama's father take his pregnant wife there to give birth and not to, say, the Kenyan capital city of Nairobi? You'd think he'd at least want his son born in his own country, if not in Hawaii? Why a coastal city, far from his home village and far from the capital, that was really part of Zanzibar?

135 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:44 PM PDT by saquin
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To: romans828
the 44-O-47 coincidence is a bit suspicious.

Not as suspicious as the number: 102181

136 posted on 08/02/2009 5:57:14 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: romans828
what can we do besides wait for the outcome of the authentication?

Not a whole lot. Who ever has it has to authenticate it. The document is good enough to get it checked out.

137 posted on 08/02/2009 5:58:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: appleseed

my question is, how in the WORLD did he get a security clearance without proving where he was born!!!


138 posted on 08/02/2009 5:59:12 PM PDT by romans828
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To: trumandogz

What is 102181 ??


139 posted on 08/02/2009 5:59:24 PM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: reasonisfaith
If you can’t name the specific points which made you suspicious of the document, your comments have no meaning. Okay, how's this: where's the friggin' reference to make it even look real in the first place?

How many people in this thread have ever seen a Kenyan birth certificate in the first place that they could "ooh" and "ahh" as soon as they see this one show up?

Where's the freakin' comparison with a real one? It's an isolated picture on the web that I've seen posted on FR about 5 times today (and I probably missed a few more).

Absent all that, this was a joke from the start.

140 posted on 08/02/2009 5:59:24 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Mount Athos
2) You say both certificates were signed by E.F. Lavender. That's not correct. The Article only shows a single certificate, two pictures of the same certificate. The article doesn't state who the registrar was for the comparison certificate. No image is provided for the second, comparison certificate.

You are correct in that all the pics are of the same certificate. If WND has others let's see them. If E.F. Lavender is on any of them then game still on.

141 posted on 08/02/2009 5:59:59 PM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: DevNulled

I can’t remember his name now, it’s on the tip of my tongue gut I just can’t pull it out of memory...

Anyhow, back in my Navy days, there was a naturalized American sailor from Africa who was named after a very popular commercial food product.

His parents were illiterate and they used the product a lot so they could remember how to spell it.


142 posted on 08/02/2009 6:00:28 PM PDT by Ronin (It will be helpful if Geithner can show us some arithmetic.)
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To: MrDem

O=10
B=2
A=1
M=8
A=1


143 posted on 08/02/2009 6:01:33 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.lifespringinternational.org/pics_dec_04/ls_nldec04_07.jpg

Jim, are we jumping to conclusions that there is no EF Lavender? Eric Lavender is the tall guy with the black shirt and gray pants according to the caption about 1/3 down the page at http://www.lifespringinternational.org/newsupdate_dec_04.htm.


144 posted on 08/02/2009 6:01:39 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama - fooling fewer people every day.)
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To: sushiman

Actually the reference to Kenya is on the 1964 certificate letterhead.

At the time the document was prepared, Mombasa was indeed Kenya.

Not fake. :)


145 posted on 08/02/2009 6:01:39 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Governor Palin is to Comrade Zero, as Ronald Reagan was to Jimmy Carter.)
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To: MrDem

O=10
B=2
A=1
M=8
A=1


146 posted on 08/02/2009 6:01:44 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: appleseed
Different strokes for different folks only applies to the current occupant

Nope. The same standard has applied to all Pres. candidates. They don't get raked over the coals by FBI interviews, etc. Campaigns are supposed to do the vetting. You can agree or disagree with it but that's always been the way it is.

147 posted on 08/02/2009 6:02:57 PM PDT by saquin
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To: Red Steel

the email I got with the World Net Daily link says that the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California has the document so I assume they have court-appointed experts to check this kind of thing out.


148 posted on 08/02/2009 6:03:02 PM PDT by romans828
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To: romans828
how in the WORLD did he get a security clearance without proving where he was born

He lied about something. That's been my suspicion all along. The question is what did he lie about.

149 posted on 08/02/2009 6:03:04 PM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: saquin
Why a coastal city, far from his home village and far from the capital, that was really part of Zanzibar?

For the same reason American men take their young mistress playtoys to Cancun or Bermuda or Aruba and not to Cleveland.

150 posted on 08/02/2009 6:03:23 PM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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