Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate
It has several clues, but also there's this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
WND has no credibility as a real news source.
Here’s one of many E. Lavenders
In 1961 yes, but in 1964 Mombasa records would be part of the Kenyan bureaucracy.
If we’re propping up a hoax, we all get burned.
I had my suspicions, but not for the ones you listed.
I've only been following this peripherally, but even still it looked almost (almost!) good enough to have some credibility so I guess I'm guilty to some degree.
Those of you who spoofed this thing to get a rise out of the rest of us, nice job. (You evil bastards!)
At least I can chuckle about it..
doesn’t. tried it here in the house and like all that natural crap, it works like crap
I said earlier that he WILL produce a BC. It just takes time to dot all the T’s etc.
1865. He would be dead by Obama’s birth.
Yeah, but the point is that in the British Empire there were people with the name of E.F. Lavender rattling about, despite there being an Earth Friendly Lavender handwash in the 21st Century. So, if there could be an E.F. Lavender signing documents in Australia in 1899, so too could there be and E.F. Lavender in Kenya in 1964.
Are you sure? Would Zanz have copies Just in case?
The divorce. Found this digging around and it makes some sense.
“Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii — MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate to confirm Ann’s claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what’s referred to as a “knock and nail”. That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes — signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR’s door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR’s notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED — either he didn’t want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he’d be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That’s when this birth certificate would have been generated — before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce — AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it’s quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate “loopholes” and told her how to file for a Hawaiian “Certificate of Delayed Birth” to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been “upgraded” later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a “root document” of the shorter “Certification of Live Birth” we see today presented as proof of birth from Barack Hussein Obama II.
I can’t vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested — likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It’s QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
HOWEVER — the dates DO “line up” for the Kenyan Birth Certificate to be REAL.”
(posted by Jacqlyn Smith at Citizen Wells blog)
Exactly... and the best defense would be to produce his REAL long form birth certificate.
You act as if he gave a damn about her. It's obvious he didn't. Used her and then dumped her.
The issue is looking for the mistakes. My opinion is one mistake on this document is that the printing of the form itself (before the rest is typed in) does not accurately model or simulate vintage printing techniques. I am no expert but when I compared the image to my own vintage early 60's official document (printed in Boston, MA), the Kenyan one is a little too perfect in how the printing looks especially line to line and from edge to edge. My document fades a little to the right and gets a little darker to the bottom. But looking at the block in the lower right "I_____ Deputy Registrar .... Office this" that text is just a little too perfectly printed IMO.
On iphone now later
Fake but Accurate™
Hilarious
“Not sure about the 33.”
That’s easy...Scottie Pippen wore 33 for the CHICAGO Bulls.
The following is pure, unadulterated speculation.
The fact that the strip only became part of Kenya officially when Kenya gained independence may have meant very little in reality. Very possibly this coastal strip was “considered” historically part of Kenya. Perhaps a disputed strip, with perhaps ethnic/tribal ties to people in Kenya. Often pieces of land change names but traditionally or historically are considered part of another country.
The above is pure speculation because I know nothing about Kenya or surrounding countries.
I’m not convinced either way,BUT. I would think Orly and WND would do a little investigating on this before they put it up for public view. If there are other certificates from that time frame with those names on them, Go back to the referenced book, etc. What if this IS the real mc coy, and people pass it off as a forgery? We lose the issue, hook line, and sinker ,then.I have no law degree, or for that matter, any degree ,and I would have backed that document up with verifiable evidence before I publicized it. Especially knowing that it would be scrutinized down to the molecule. I, for one can’t believe Orly, Alan Keyes, Joe Farah, and others would all make an ass out of themselves that simply. Maybe I just want it to be real so badly?
It looks like Obama Sr had political connections.
He was a Commie. Ann was a Commie.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303952499910291
Maybe they hoped for the future of Jr if born in Kenya.
Little did they know, he would achieve far more than they thought possible.
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