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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate ^ | 08/02/2009

Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

And then one of our moderators spotted this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate

It has several clues, but also there's this question:

Who is E. F. Lavender?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi

Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?


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To: Jim Robinson

Kenya was a Republic in 1963

The Constitution of the Republic of Kenya 1963 (as Amended to 2008)

CHAPTER I
The Republic of Kenya
1. Declaration of Republic.
Kenya is a sovereign Republic.
1A. Political system.
The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state.
[As amended by Act 9 of 1997, s. 2]
2. Public Seal.
The Public Seal of Kenya shall be such device as may be prescribed by or under an Act of
Parliament.

http://www.constitutionnet.org/en/vl/constitution-republic-kenya-1963-amended-2008

Also, if you look on Orly’s site you will see a photo of EF Lavender in Kenya, in the correct age group. Not so fast with the forgery allegations.


301 posted on 08/02/2009 7:11:05 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: STE=Q

Fantastic!

If the lowrent Duers create lots and lots of fakes...like confetti—EVERYWHERE—Obama will have NO CHOICE but bring his out of the mothballs..if one exists.

This an excellent strategy...the more insane this becomes, with the dimbulbs cranking out lots of BCs...Obama must take control and let the sunshine in.


302 posted on 08/02/2009 7:11:05 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Jim Robinson

To correct my previous post. Alleged B/C bears “1964” issue date.


303 posted on 08/02/2009 7:11:22 PM PDT by kenavi (If BHO wasn't born here, how did he get in?)
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To: Aquabird

He also doesn’t like people interfering with his agenda and timeline to change America to one that conforms to his ideals. He put his plan into action many years ago, and over time the players have moved into position. And he’s rushing to checkmate. His non-stop campaign mode and consistent use of distraction are all part of the game.


304 posted on 08/02/2009 7:13:19 PM PDT by callisto (It's the three T' s: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: sonic109
"They" didn't throw it on the 'net. It came from an attorney's site. Miss that part?

And as the "chattering class" I'm sure Schmucki will take my call...........as soon as he stops laughing.

305 posted on 08/02/2009 7:14:04 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: palmer

“I agree with what your are saying, but bored teenagers don’t have to use photoshop. They can get ahold of vintage typewriter. There are always some at the flea market. Figuring out what content to put in is getting easier using the internet. Finally getting all the finishing touches like printing to paper, then filling it in with the typewriter, then aging the paper can all be done pretty well with practice.”

OHm c’mon, the details here are beyond the expertise of teens, at least American teens. First of all, they would have concocted a birth certificate, and not a certified copy with a date 3 years after the fact; and one in which the logic works perfectly. Right down to the usage of the word “nil.” That’s way beyond the sophistication of a teen.

There is a lot of healthy skepticism on TS, but there is a ton of too-cute-by-half self-flagellators treating this too deeply.


306 posted on 08/02/2009 7:14:47 PM PDT by qwertypie
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To: callisto

You think other Freepers don’t know what needs to be done and you should be their mommy? As I said, most can walk and chew gum at the same time.


307 posted on 08/02/2009 7:15:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: kenavi

This document is part of the discovery for Dunham vs. Obama Sr. divorce case in 1964.


308 posted on 08/02/2009 7:15:43 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: romans828
my question is, how in the WORLD did he get a security clearance without proving where he was born!!!

I hope that at the very least what comes out of this Obama mess is that state requirements by each secretary of state will cause a vetting of each presidential candidate in the future. . . His hidden past was so covered up, most average Americans didn't know about his communist past. Now we have a Manchurian Marxist in the white house after we spent a generation fighting the Cold War. . .

309 posted on 08/02/2009 7:16:03 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Jim Robinson; pissant

Republic of Kenya was not declared until 12/12/1964 - fake


310 posted on 08/02/2009 7:17:59 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: penelopesire; Jim Robinson; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

Coincidences:

-- Obama’s mama, Ann Dunham, filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 — Inauguration Day – what are the odds? LBJ was swore in again on Jan. 20, 1965. He was also the last president mess up the Oath of Office ... although that flub was uttered immediately after Kennedy was assassinated, not 1964 or 1965.

-- The presiding judge for the trial sent notification to Cambridge, Mass. — Cambridge. A lot of things have happened in Cambridge — Parking Tickets for Mr. Obama, Mr. Obama may have attended college there, police acting stupidly, etc.

Now, these are COINCIDENCES — nothing more.

"E.F. Lavender" and SOAP is likely one, too. GOOGLE can be a friend, or an enemy -- using other search engines and research databases are equally important -- as we know, GOOGLE searches can be manipulated. That's why refuting is important — like here has been done here: Kenyan Birth Certificate - 1964 Divorce Timeline.

THIS Kenyan birth certificate fits the timeline for those who know the timeline VERY well.

I recommending using Google to research more on THIS:

-- the Registration of Documents Act (R.D.A) 1901, revised in 1962 and 1980 (Cap 285) governed the Principal Registry is in Nairobi for the whole of Kenya, except for Coast Province, which has a Coast Registry.
-- the Ten-Mile Strip of Coast Province. It was a rather unique area with a unique history. Land disputes continue there today over events of the early 60s. In the end, I'm sure we'll find that an "E. F. Lavender" lived there while the area was in transitioning from being a British Protectorate to ALMOST becoming part of Zanzibar (I'll post that later on this thread). Still checking on that, too, but I think it'll pan out.


One last thing:

The “birthers” have been under assault for the past couple of weeks, by the Left, RINOs and MSM. House Resolution 593 was surreptitiously introduced and passed late last week in the House (non-binding and only in the House) declaring among other things, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii". THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF EFFORT spent to de-legitimize a "BUNCH of KOOKS" and "CONSPIRACY NUTS", especially just preceding the emergence of THIS document.

Google a February 1992 AP story of a law student, reportedly from Equatorial Guinea in
Africa. He was trapped at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, renown for its
Socialist and Communist training, as Russia was crumbling in the early 90s. He was born
in 1961. His name --
Roman Obama. LOL -- now THAT'S a coincidence ...

311 posted on 08/02/2009 7:18:36 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Perdogg

The Republic was declared between Oct and Dec. 1963. The date you are using is the date the United Kingdom recognized that independence. The declaration came a year earlier.


312 posted on 08/02/2009 7:19:26 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: BP2

The problem is that “kenyan BC” has republic of kenya yet Kenya wasnt declared a republic until 12/12/1964


313 posted on 08/02/2009 7:20:14 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: mojitojoe; Miss Didi

Thank you both for responding! I was beginning to worry after being told I was harrassing Freepers by asking twice in one day if anyone was continuing activist activities. I miss the old FR.


314 posted on 08/02/2009 7:20:21 PM PDT by callisto (It's the three T' s: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: plenipotentiary

The word “republic” isn’t in the wording of the original 1963 constitution, as I found out on the other thread. Here’s a link to the 1963 document:

http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/KEL63-002.pdf


315 posted on 08/02/2009 7:21:29 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Interesting that they feel the need for all the misdirection and creating fake Kenyon birth certificates. Why?

Would make for a great distraction while Obama destroys the country

316 posted on 08/02/2009 7:21:41 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Houghton M.
Kenya declared independent 12-12-1963. It was not declared a republic until one year later 12-12-1964.
317 posted on 08/02/2009 7:22:06 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
I for one am cautiously optimistic. This is a document that is fairly easy to authenticate if it is real. If it is not, it is easy to put away.

There are duplicate Kenyan records in Great Britain. If the Birth Certificate is in Book 44B page whatever it was it should be easy to find. Further, there are names of people who held public positions. There is a signature of one of those people. If the names match up and the signature matches up then it lends credibility to the document.

Finally, I'm split about the Republic of Kenya thing. However, it should be fairly easy to verify whether that heading was used at that time.

My advice is to remain cautiously optimistic and verify the document. Neither accept it, nor reject it based upon partial information.

It is at very least VERY VERY INTERESTING. I love the time line and how it matches up with the divorce. Further, I'm wondering if Zero's long form Hawaiian Birth Certificate was filed as a non-hospital verified BC. I think they have BC 1-5 for verification. If it is simply verified by the family it would prove NOTHING and they know it would make the issue worse. That may be why they refuse to show it.

318 posted on 08/02/2009 7:22:16 PM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: Right Wing Assault; MHGinTN; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Las Vegas Ron; rodguy911

Good find!! In my saved bd files folder I have a picture of Joseph Kazhilla, who is in another picture on down the page. I don’t know why it’s in there or what was posted that caused me to save it, but there must have been a reason..


319 posted on 08/02/2009 7:22:19 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: BuffaloJack

No offense, but it says Mombasa DISTRICT. “The town is also the headquarters of Mombasa District which, like most other districts in Kenya, is named after its chief town.”

On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain’s Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty).

Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.

BUT it was the Mombasa District in the Kenya protectorate.
Not an error on that document. Makes it even MORE feasable it could be genuine.


320 posted on 08/02/2009 7:23:49 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: Houghton M.

Constitutional Status of Islam(ic Law): The Constitution was adopted on 12th December 1963, and has been amended several times; most notably in 1964 when Kenya became a Republic and in 1991 when a multiparty system was restored. The Constitution does not provide for any official state religion. Article 66(1) to (5) provides for the establishment of Kadhis’ Courts

http://www.law.emory.edu/ifl/legal/kenya.htm


321 posted on 08/02/2009 7:23:55 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Red Steel

At any rate, I’m not ready to say that E.F. Lavender is Earth Friendly Lavender unless this name does not appear on other Mombasa birth records from early 1961.

All this stuff reminds me of the list of similarities between Red Square and Red Buttons. One was named Buttons the other has people walking around with buttons on their trousers. One is square, the other entertained squares.

You know the drill - making up meaningless “coincidences.” Like the record number 47,044. “This record is number 47,044. Obama is 47 years old and is the 44th President.”

Give me a freaking break, folks! This thread has gone off the deep end! The loonies outnumber the staff!~


322 posted on 08/02/2009 7:23:55 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: America2012

How do you know his current age is 47?


323 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:51 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: FrdmLvr

Good question! ;-)


324 posted on 08/02/2009 7:25:27 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: callisto

Why dont You ask this Question?

How many of You have realized today how ridiculous it is that we have a President Who has hidden everything about his past and refuses to show the American Public the Most Basic Document of Every American Citizen and One Required for Him to Hold His Office Legitimately, His Official Birth Certificate?

The answer! Quite a few I would Guess as withessed by the Thousands of Posters just today! Oh, and I made 16 calls today to my Reps and Senators!I probably wouldn/t have done any today normally since its Sunday:-P


325 posted on 08/02/2009 7:25:27 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: saquin
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326 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:41 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: LucyT; Red Steel; Jim Robinson

Ping to #320


327 posted on 08/02/2009 7:27:28 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: BP2

Please keep me posted on anything you find on the mystery surrounding the registrar Lavender thing. I think the Lavender Soap thing is a stretch frankly. It is more likely a person of British heritage, etc. I could be wrong obviously, but I don’t think WND is that ‘half cocked’ on this stuff...nor is Orly.


328 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:38 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Jim Robinson
I did a Google news search, and came up with a story on Daily Kos. Looked through the posts to debunking information. You go through 20 smug clucking posts to find one with potentially valid points.

First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.

Comments?

Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

This has been extensively discussed. It seems plausible that some Government documents jumped the gun on having Republic on the letterhead, because Kenya was bound for complete independence, and it would have been costly to have Dominion on the letterheads for only a few months. However, until someone posts a Kenyan document during the interregnum with Republic, it is a big authenticity problem.

Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

This has been discussed here as well. The coast area was under dispute.

Fourth, Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

I don't think this is relevant. Caesar Augustus hadn't decreed every Kenyon to return to his home village to be taxed, as it was foretold for the Messiah's birth. Where the Obama's went in Kenya would be determined by travel convenience and obstetrical care, not by proximity to the paternal hut.

Fifth, the number 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

IMO, this is twaddle.

Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.

An EF Lavender was also signing documents in Australia before laundry detergent had been invented. Was that Aussie document forged as well?

Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say "Christian name" (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?

Things might have been different on the coastal strip, and Colonial Brits were probably less sensitive about these matters than a modern day forger. Such anachronistic language argues more for authenticity than forgery.

Eigth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

This has been discussed. Apparently the exact birth date isn't known. The forger could look up a Wikipedia entry as easily as this debunker, and so that the entry has this 'wrong' in comparison to Wikipedia may actually make more authentic.

Ninth, it was called the "Central Nyanza District," not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

I've not seen this, if so it presents a serious challenge.

329 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:38 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: mojitojoe
Damn, FReepers are awesome!

I did a cursory search for Joshua Simon Oduya and there are connections back to Sept 08 with McCain and this issue....have to keep digging

330 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:45 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: sonic109; PA Engineer

Speak for yourself! You seem to be able to sum up your behavior perfectly! Its asham you are a failure at judging others:-)


331 posted on 08/02/2009 7:29:39 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: MrDem

One reason is that his father was Muslim and was probably Arab as well as African. Kenya is mostly Christian, but the Coast Province, where Mombasa is located, is decidely Muslim. Being a coastal trading center it probably had better facilities than Nairobi where Obama sr. would have had no ties.


332 posted on 08/02/2009 7:29:44 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Perdogg

Kenyatta persuaded the Parliament to amend the constitution to add the word republic June 1, 1964. But the word republic was being used by Kenyans in the period between the defiance of England in October 1963 and the promulgation of the first constitution on Dec. 12, 1963. The term was being used but does not appear in the constitution until June 1964.


333 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:36 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: BP2

In other news, Syndicated Bill Cunningham just gave a segment addressing the WND report “Is this the Smoking Gun?”


334 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:01 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Uncle Sham

“Qualified” in the 12th Amendment refers to receiving the requisite number of Electoral College votes to win.
In Obama’s case, he “qualified” when Vice President Cheney certified the Electoral College vote at the Joint Session of Congress with no objections from any one Senator and any one Representative.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Twelfth+Amendment

There is no constitutional or legislative process to remove from office ex post facto, a person who has qualified via the electoral college and been sworn in by the Chief Justice other than with a Bill of Impeachment passing the House and a trial and conviction for High Crimes or Misdemeanors in the Senate.


335 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:09 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: BP2

Ping to #320


336 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:42 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: brytlea
See post 161
337 posted on 08/02/2009 7:32:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: mojitojoe; Right Wing Assault

Arthur and Margaret, Eric Lavender and Ron and Gretel Hibbert with some of the pastors at the conference.

338 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

The man is as opaque as they come. Do not be mistaken, I agree that he has shown no documentation supporting his past and has gone to extremes to avoid doing so. Transparency is one of many issues I have with him (see my tagline) but I believe there are far easier methods to stop his assault on America than chasing the BC.


339 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:53 PM PDT by callisto (It's the three T' s: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,what are your thoughts on this Kenyan COLB document?


340 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:30 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: DJ MacWoW

Come on pal it’s yet another “real “ document. Stop already


341 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:52 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: politicalmerc
It is at very least VERY VERY INTERESTING. I love the time line and how it matches up with the divorce.

I've been trying to understand the document's chain of custody, assuming it's not a forgery. Why would anyone other than Zero's parents have ordered the document, and why would it not presently be in Zero's possession? About the only semi-plausible theory I've been able to think of is that Stanley Ann's lawyer ordered the BC in support of her divorce petition. And instead of turning it over to her, he left in his files, where someone found it recently and sent it off to Orly.

Of course, a forger would have thought of the custody chain implausibility issue and might well have chosen the February 1964 date with the divorce in mind.

342 posted on 08/02/2009 7:35:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Jedidah
The word “republic” isn’t in the wording of the original 1963 constitution, as I found out on the other thread. Here’s a link to the 1963 document:

Correct. .pdf search has zero references to republic.

343 posted on 08/02/2009 7:35:19 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

AMEN! WELL DETAILED AND STATED!


344 posted on 08/02/2009 7:35:37 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: rodguy911; penelopesire; STARWISE; SE Mom; Polarik

Polarick has posted his findings on the main thread—fake, fake, fake.


345 posted on 08/02/2009 7:36:34 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Bet you 2 years pay it’s another fraud document.
Make some calls to your congressman if you want to help bring down the Marxist bastard Obama. If there is any incriminating paperwork on him it’s LONG gone my friend. They are NOT that stupid.


346 posted on 08/02/2009 7:36:46 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Miss Didi

Polarick=Polarik


347 posted on 08/02/2009 7:37:17 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: sonic109

I work with a kid who can do ANYTHING on Photoshop and you’d never know in a MILLION YEARS it was fake.
____________
That’s just silly what you said there. It’s very easy for an expert to date the paper and ink. It’s also easy for them to tell in 10 seconds if it’s a photoshop job. It is in the hands of the court. They have it, the experts will decide.


348 posted on 08/02/2009 7:38:54 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, your scribd document title is being used to “prove” that Free Republic has officially determined the document is a fake.

Case closed.


349 posted on 08/02/2009 7:39:04 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: politicalmerc

Brilliant post here and I think that why Orly is on the way to the UK.


350 posted on 08/02/2009 7:39:08 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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