Skip to comments.Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
It has several clues, but also there's this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
Kenya was a Republic in 1963
The Constitution of the Republic of Kenya 1963 (as Amended to 2008)
The Republic of Kenya
1. Declaration of Republic.
Kenya is a sovereign Republic.
1A. Political system.
The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state.
[As amended by Act 9 of 1997, s. 2]
2. Public Seal.
The Public Seal of Kenya shall be such device as may be prescribed by or under an Act of
Also, if you look on Orly’s site you will see a photo of EF Lavender in Kenya, in the correct age group. Not so fast with the forgery allegations.
If the lowrent Duers create lots and lots of fakes...like confetti—EVERYWHERE—Obama will have NO CHOICE but bring his out of the mothballs..if one exists.
This an excellent strategy...the more insane this becomes, with the dimbulbs cranking out lots of BCs...Obama must take control and let the sunshine in.
To correct my previous post. Alleged B/C bears “1964” issue date.
He also doesn’t like people interfering with his agenda and timeline to change America to one that conforms to his ideals. He put his plan into action many years ago, and over time the players have moved into position. And he’s rushing to checkmate. His non-stop campaign mode and consistent use of distraction are all part of the game.
And as the "chattering class" I'm sure Schmucki will take my call...........as soon as he stops laughing.
“I agree with what your are saying, but bored teenagers don’t have to use photoshop. They can get ahold of vintage typewriter. There are always some at the flea market. Figuring out what content to put in is getting easier using the internet. Finally getting all the finishing touches like printing to paper, then filling it in with the typewriter, then aging the paper can all be done pretty well with practice.”
OHm c’mon, the details here are beyond the expertise of teens, at least American teens. First of all, they would have concocted a birth certificate, and not a certified copy with a date 3 years after the fact; and one in which the logic works perfectly. Right down to the usage of the word “nil.” That’s way beyond the sophistication of a teen.
There is a lot of healthy skepticism on TS, but there is a ton of too-cute-by-half self-flagellators treating this too deeply.
You think other Freepers don’t know what needs to be done and you should be their mommy? As I said, most can walk and chew gum at the same time.
This document is part of the discovery for Dunham vs. Obama Sr. divorce case in 1964.
I hope that at the very least what comes out of this Obama mess is that state requirements by each secretary of state will cause a vetting of each presidential candidate in the future. . . His hidden past was so covered up, most average Americans didn't know about his communist past. Now we have a Manchurian Marxist in the white house after we spent a generation fighting the Cold War. . .
Republic of Kenya was not declared until 12/12/1964 - fake
-- Obama’s mama, Ann Dunham, filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 — Inauguration Day what are the odds? LBJ was swore in again on Jan. 20, 1965. He was also the last president mess up the Oath of Office ... although that flub was uttered immediately after Kennedy was assassinated, not 1964 or 1965.
-- The presiding judge for the trial sent notification to Cambridge, Mass. — Cambridge. A lot of things have happened in Cambridge — Parking Tickets for Mr. Obama, Mr. Obama may have attended college there, police acting stupidly, etc.
Now, these are COINCIDENCES — nothing more.
"E.F. Lavender" and SOAP is likely one, too. GOOGLE can be a friend, or an enemy -- using other search engines and research databases are equally important -- as we know, GOOGLE searches can be manipulated. That's why refuting is important — like here has been done here: Kenyan Birth Certificate - 1964 Divorce Timeline.
THIS Kenyan birth certificate fits the timeline for those who know the timeline VERY well.
I recommending using Google to research more on THIS:
-- the Registration of Documents Act (R.D.A) 1901, revised in 1962 and 1980 (Cap 285) governed the Principal Registry is in Nairobi for the whole of Kenya, except for Coast Province, which has a Coast Registry.
-- the Ten-Mile Strip of Coast Province. It was a rather unique area with a unique history. Land disputes continue there today over events of the early 60s. In the end, I'm sure we'll find that an "E. F. Lavender" lived there while the area was in transitioning from being a British Protectorate to ALMOST becoming part of Zanzibar (I'll post that later on this thread). Still checking on that, too, but I think it'll pan out.
The “birthers” have been under assault for the past couple of weeks, by the Left, RINOs and MSM. House Resolution 593 was surreptitiously introduced and passed late last week in the House (non-binding and only in the House) declaring among other things, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii". THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF EFFORT spent to de-legitimize a "BUNCH of KOOKS" and "CONSPIRACY NUTS", especially just preceding the emergence of THIS document.
The Republic was declared between Oct and Dec. 1963. The date you are using is the date the United Kingdom recognized that independence. The declaration came a year earlier.
The problem is that “kenyan BC” has republic of kenya yet Kenya wasnt declared a republic until 12/12/1964
Thank you both for responding! I was beginning to worry after being told I was harrassing Freepers by asking twice in one day if anyone was continuing activist activities. I miss the old FR.
The word “republic” isn’t in the wording of the original 1963 constitution, as I found out on the other thread. Here’s a link to the 1963 document:
Would make for a great distraction while Obama destroys the country
There are duplicate Kenyan records in Great Britain. If the Birth Certificate is in Book 44B page whatever it was it should be easy to find. Further, there are names of people who held public positions. There is a signature of one of those people. If the names match up and the signature matches up then it lends credibility to the document.
Finally, I'm split about the Republic of Kenya thing. However, it should be fairly easy to verify whether that heading was used at that time.
My advice is to remain cautiously optimistic and verify the document. Neither accept it, nor reject it based upon partial information.
It is at very least VERY VERY INTERESTING. I love the time line and how it matches up with the divorce. Further, I'm wondering if Zero's long form Hawaiian Birth Certificate was filed as a non-hospital verified BC. I think they have BC 1-5 for verification. If it is simply verified by the family it would prove NOTHING and they know it would make the issue worse. That may be why they refuse to show it.
Good find!! In my saved bd files folder I have a picture of Joseph Kazhilla, who is in another picture on down the page. I don’t know why it’s in there or what was posted that caused me to save it, but there must have been a reason..
No offense, but it says Mombasa DISTRICT. “The town is also the headquarters of Mombasa District which, like most other districts in Kenya, is named after its chief town.”
On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain’s Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty).
Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.
BUT it was the Mombasa District in the Kenya protectorate.
Not an error on that document. Makes it even MORE feasable it could be genuine.
Constitutional Status of Islam(ic Law): The Constitution was adopted on 12th December 1963, and has been amended several times; most notably in 1964 when Kenya became a Republic and in 1991 when a multiparty system was restored. The Constitution does not provide for any official state religion. Article 66(1) to (5) provides for the establishment of Kadhis’ Courts
At any rate, I’m not ready to say that E.F. Lavender is Earth Friendly Lavender unless this name does not appear on other Mombasa birth records from early 1961.
All this stuff reminds me of the list of similarities between Red Square and Red Buttons. One was named Buttons the other has people walking around with buttons on their trousers. One is square, the other entertained squares.
You know the drill - making up meaningless “coincidences.” Like the record number 47,044. “This record is number 47,044. Obama is 47 years old and is the 44th President.”
Give me a freaking break, folks! This thread has gone off the deep end! The loonies outnumber the staff!~
How do you know his current age is 47?
Good question! ;-)
Why dont You ask this Question?
How many of You have realized today how ridiculous it is that we have a President Who has hidden everything about his past and refuses to show the American Public the Most Basic Document of Every American Citizen and One Required for Him to Hold His Office Legitimately, His Official Birth Certificate?
The answer! Quite a few I would Guess as withessed by the Thousands of Posters just today! Oh, and I made 16 calls today to my Reps and Senators!I probably wouldn/t have done any today normally since its Sunday:-P
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Please keep me posted on anything you find on the mystery surrounding the registrar Lavender thing. I think the Lavender Soap thing is a stretch frankly. It is more likely a person of British heritage, etc. I could be wrong obviously, but I don’t think WND is that ‘half cocked’ on this stuff...nor is Orly.
First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.
Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.
This has been extensively discussed. It seems plausible that some Government documents jumped the gun on having Republic on the letterhead, because Kenya was bound for complete independence, and it would have been costly to have Dominion on the letterheads for only a few months. However, until someone posts a Kenyan document during the interregnum with Republic, it is a big authenticity problem.
Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.
This has been discussed here as well. The coast area was under dispute.
Fourth, Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.
I don't think this is relevant. Caesar Augustus hadn't decreed every Kenyon to return to his home village to be taxed, as it was foretold for the Messiah's birth. Where the Obama's went in Kenya would be determined by travel convenience and obstetrical care, not by proximity to the paternal hut.
Fifth, the number 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.
IMO, this is twaddle.
Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.
An EF Lavender was also signing documents in Australia before laundry detergent had been invented. Was that Aussie document forged as well?
Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say "Christian name" (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?
Things might have been different on the coastal strip, and Colonial Brits were probably less sensitive about these matters than a modern day forger. Such anachronistic language argues more for authenticity than forgery.
Eigth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.
This has been discussed. Apparently the exact birth date isn't known. The forger could look up a Wikipedia entry as easily as this debunker, and so that the entry has this 'wrong' in comparison to Wikipedia may actually make more authentic.
Ninth, it was called the "Central Nyanza District," not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.
I've not seen this, if so it presents a serious challenge.
I did a cursory search for Joshua Simon Oduya and there are connections back to Sept 08 with McCain and this issue....have to keep digging
Speak for yourself! You seem to be able to sum up your behavior perfectly! Its asham you are a failure at judging others:-)
One reason is that his father was Muslim and was probably Arab as well as African. Kenya is mostly Christian, but the Coast Province, where Mombasa is located, is decidely Muslim. Being a coastal trading center it probably had better facilities than Nairobi where Obama sr. would have had no ties.
Kenyatta persuaded the Parliament to amend the constitution to add the word republic June 1, 1964. But the word republic was being used by Kenyans in the period between the defiance of England in October 1963 and the promulgation of the first constitution on Dec. 12, 1963. The term was being used but does not appear in the constitution until June 1964.
In other news, Syndicated Bill Cunningham just gave a segment addressing the WND report “Is this the Smoking Gun?”
“Qualified” in the 12th Amendment refers to receiving the requisite number of Electoral College votes to win.
In Obama’s case, he “qualified” when Vice President Cheney certified the Electoral College vote at the Joint Session of Congress with no objections from any one Senator and any one Representative.
There is no constitutional or legislative process to remove from office ex post facto, a person who has qualified via the electoral college and been sworn in by the Chief Justice other than with a Bill of Impeachment passing the House and a trial and conviction for High Crimes or Misdemeanors in the Senate.
Ping to #320
Arthur and Margaret, Eric Lavender and Ron and Gretel Hibbert with some of the pastors at the conference.
The man is as opaque as they come. Do not be mistaken, I agree that he has shown no documentation supporting his past and has gone to extremes to avoid doing so. Transparency is one of many issues I have with him (see my tagline) but I believe there are far easier methods to stop his assault on America than chasing the BC.
Jim,what are your thoughts on this Kenyan COLB document?
Come on pal it’s yet another “real “ document. Stop already
I've been trying to understand the document's chain of custody, assuming it's not a forgery. Why would anyone other than Zero's parents have ordered the document, and why would it not presently be in Zero's possession? About the only semi-plausible theory I've been able to think of is that Stanley Ann's lawyer ordered the BC in support of her divorce petition. And instead of turning it over to her, he left in his files, where someone found it recently and sent it off to Orly.
Of course, a forger would have thought of the custody chain implausibility issue and might well have chosen the February 1964 date with the divorce in mind.
Correct. .pdf search has zero references to republic.
AMEN! WELL DETAILED AND STATED!
Polarick has posted his findings on the main thread—fake, fake, fake.
Bet you 2 years pay it’s another fraud document.
Make some calls to your congressman if you want to help bring down the Marxist bastard Obama. If there is any incriminating paperwork on him it’s LONG gone my friend. They are NOT that stupid.
I work with a kid who can do ANYTHING on Photoshop and youd never know in a MILLION YEARS it was fake.
That’s just silly what you said there. It’s very easy for an expert to date the paper and ink. It’s also easy for them to tell in 10 seconds if it’s a photoshop job. It is in the hands of the court. They have it, the experts will decide.
Jim, your scribd document title is being used to “prove” that Free Republic has officially determined the document is a fake.
Brilliant post here and I think that why Orly is on the way to the UK.