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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate ^ | 08/02/2009

Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

And then one of our moderators spotted this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate

It has several clues, but also there's this question:

Who is E. F. Lavender?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi

Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?


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To: LucyT

That DU post is from about an hour and a half ago.

It was a result of, not a cause of, the Kenya certificate.

This poster thinks the Kenya certificate very well may be legit.


51 posted on 08/02/2009 5:20:45 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Governor Palin is to Comrade Zero, as Ronald Reagan was to Jimmy Carter.)
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To: SE Mom

Yep..I agree that caution should be excercised for sure.


52 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:05 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: SE Mom

Is it me or does it sound like the person who posted that is likely the person who forged the document?


53 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:05 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Jim Robinson
Here's the real birth certificate.

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54 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:37 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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To: penelopesire

Here’s a link, FWIW.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:37bdbVFr8xoJ:gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1893/V/general/142.pdf+lavendar+%22Great+Greta+Coal+Company+Limited%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Companies Art 1800.
GREAT GRETA COAL COMPANY LIMITED.
NOTICE is hereby given that at a special meeting of the
above-named company, hold at the office of Messrs.
Pentland and Roberts, 467 Chan eery-lane, Melbourne, on Mon-
day, the 6th day of November, 1893, the following special resolu-
tions were passed, viz.:—
1. That as the above-named company have ceased operations
it is advisable that it be voluntary wound up.
2. That Charles Medcalf, of Victoria Buildings, Swaiiston-
street, Melbourne, be appointed liquidator for the purpose of the
said winding up.
WM. H. ROBERTS, Chairman.
Witness—E. F. Lavender, clerk to Messrs. Pentland and
Roberts, solicitors, Melbourne. 10862


55 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:39 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Jim Robinson

So what about Orly? Hope she didn’t really try to run with this ....

I suppose this would be an octopus strategy....blind your opponents - in this case with fake documents - to discredit them so the real truth doesn’t come out.

It’s really unbelievable that a POTUS is hiding his BC!


56 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:48 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: DouglasKC

http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Lavender


57 posted on 08/02/2009 5:22:14 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: McGruff
Good the more the merry, eventually obama will have to release his long form Hawaiian issued birth certificate.

the one he released does not look anywhere as impressive.

58 posted on 08/02/2009 5:22:47 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: marron
I would have hoped that before they went public with this, they would have obtained another birth certificate from the same area and era for comparison, and that some effort would have been made to verify authenticity.

If you had read the WND article, you would see that they DID compare it to another certificate from the same period and THEY MATCHED. And both were signed by E.F. Lavender!

59 posted on 08/02/2009 5:23:06 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Jim Robinson

An E.F. Lavender worked as a paper pusher for the Australian government in 1915.

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1536351 (zoom in)

I like how some skeptics are claiming EF Lavender is a name of a soap.


60 posted on 08/02/2009 5:23:15 PM PDT by DevNulled
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To: Jim Robinson

Who cares if it’s true or not, make them defend it.

Fire with fire


61 posted on 08/02/2009 5:23:46 PM PDT by Brytani (DC Freeper Convention and National Tea Party - FreepMail Me for rooms and convention info!)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is just weird. Mombass wasn’t part of Kenya in 1961.
Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963.


62 posted on 08/02/2009 5:23:52 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (thirst for absolute power is the natural disease of monarchy - Thomas Paine)
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To: Fractal Trader
If you had read the WND article, you would see that they DID compare it to another certificate from the same period and THEY MATCHED. And both were signed by E.F. Lavender!

Good. Thanks. Good news.

63 posted on 08/02/2009 5:24:47 PM PDT by marron
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To: Jim Robinson

E.F. Lavender is the clincher. It’s most definitely a fraud.

But that in itself is a pretty strong indication of the source of the fraud (right wingers don’t know what the hell E.F. Lavender is).


64 posted on 08/02/2009 5:25:24 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: marron

I believe that is exactly what J.Farah said was done with this one; compared it to other known legitimate specimens.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764


65 posted on 08/02/2009 5:25:46 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: penelopesire

http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1865/V/general/72.pdf

I think you find that here.

1865
He would be dead by Obama’s birth


66 posted on 08/02/2009 5:26:12 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: maggief

Thanks maggie. I meant to ping you.

I am only getting 4 google links to that company.


67 posted on 08/02/2009 5:27:01 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m not convinced it’s a fake yet and I’ve read the entire initial thread up to now. I’ll need more than some earth friendly Lavender soap coincidence to change my mind. Though it does sound like a brand of soap some filthy liberal would use.


68 posted on 08/02/2009 5:27:38 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Safrguns
"According to the document, it’s the name of the person who signed at the bottom right."

E. F. Lavender is the name given for the Registrar. The name of the person who signed the document is Joshua Simon Oduya.

69 posted on 08/02/2009 5:27:54 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: America2012
Then there's the certificate number 47044;

... which proves nothing except you probably fell for the "Paul is Dead" clues also.

70 posted on 08/02/2009 5:27:57 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SaxxonWoods
“We now know that Orly Taitz is an idiot?”

“idiot?”

And how many law & dental degrees do you have?

That's what I thought... LMAO

Newbies...shezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

71 posted on 08/02/2009 5:28:14 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: DevNulled

SO, it could be a real name or it could be fake as a joke about the name of the soap.

It still gives rise to asking for it to be authenticated.


72 posted on 08/02/2009 5:28:29 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Daisyjane69

Me-day late, dollar short. As usual. LOL


73 posted on 08/02/2009 5:28:57 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Fractal Trader

Would you kindly link that WND article...I can’t seem to find it.


74 posted on 08/02/2009 5:29:14 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Jim Robinson
Even the idea of fake Kenyan certificates gets the mind wondering why Oboma simply won't put an end to all this.

ALL chatter about Obomas legitimacy gets people to join the Birther movement, because Oboma could put an end to it immediately, and he's not doing it. The question arises: "Why not?"

Humans are a curious breed.

75 posted on 08/02/2009 5:29:28 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: penelopesire

Good work.


76 posted on 08/02/2009 5:30:06 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Jet Jaguar; All
This document is clearly labeled the The Constitution of the Republic of Kenya 1963.

If you download it the document clearly states that anyone born after December 12th, 1963 would be a citizen of the Republic of Kenya. It is possible that it was not ratified until December 1964 but they operated under that name.

In any case, I think this document has enough identifiers in it as to be authenticatable or debunkable.

77 posted on 08/02/2009 5:30:07 PM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: Jim Robinson

E.F. Lavender is the name of the registrar who signed and registered the original Birth Cert. in 1961.


78 posted on 08/02/2009 5:31:05 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: RummyChick

That doesn’t mean he didn’t have relatives named after him down the road. Who knows. I am just posting stuff I find out there.


79 posted on 08/02/2009 5:31:21 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

In and of itself, “E.F. Lavender” doesn’t clinch anything.


80 posted on 08/02/2009 5:31:40 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: Jim Robinson

can someone else do the math....
to calculate the muslim year, you divide the Christian calendar year by 1.031 and add 622... then if you devide the result by 47044 you get almost “0.0”...since i am a math uninformed, and I did not calculate in the day of the year in which he was born....I know, I know....crazy....


81 posted on 08/02/2009 5:31:53 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: mass55th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oduya


82 posted on 08/02/2009 5:31:53 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Jim Robinson

First time I saw this I wanted to know what would make anyone think it was real. It looks like anything anyone could make up. Why not use loose leaf and crayons next time?


83 posted on 08/02/2009 5:32:16 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Okay, I'm not the smartest here. Probably not even in the top 50%. My wife is a bit smarter probably top 40%. We're wondering why is it there is even any question at all as to the eligibility of this president? I worked for the Feds. for 4 years and the wife currently works for the Feds. We know what we went through to get our jobs. Why is it that the Commander in Chief can't at least show what we did to prove we are eligible for employment?

Take my case for instance - 3 different times I applied for a Fed. job. Went through the whole process including test, physical, interview and background check. Met with OPM investigators for several hours and answered several questions in which I knew they would investigate. And investigate they did, to include ex-wife and neighbors I had several years prior. I can access the report via FOIA and have done so. Amazing what ex’es say about you. In the final analysis, they take the investigation as a whole to evaluate your character. Eventually took a job from them that I didn't really want, got tired of their politically correct BS and moved on after 4 years.

My question is - Did they do the same for Hussein Obama? Does he have a file that can be accessed from FOIA? Mine can and if taken as whole can see that I was fit for Fed. service which is evidence because I worked for them for over 4 years. But what about Hussein 0bama? Did they ask him the same questions they asked me? If so - Did they further investigate? Just some things I'm wondering.

84 posted on 08/02/2009 5:32:18 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: SaxxonWoods; All

Since this morning I have been saying that this is another fraud planted by the left to make us all look bad. The total bull I read on FR today has in some ways really disgusted me.FR has a high standard regarding facts and proof and I have seen people fly off into the most insane arguments trying to prove ,once again , that now we have the REAL PROOF.Probably the same folks who KNEW the Ebay guy was the REAL THING too.( a scam that a 6 year old street kid would have seen through)
I think FR is loosing credibility by foaming at the mouth everytime some moron post a copy of a copy of a photo of a copy of the REAL PROOF.
I doubt anyone will find his original long format this point.I assure you that piece of paper is worth millions and there have been tons of people in Hawaii and Kenya for months already digging up every lead they can find..All for nothing. I’d like to get rid of this Marxist bastard more than anyone but I think the BC thing isn’t going to be the way .


85 posted on 08/02/2009 5:33:42 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: DevNulled
E.F. Lavender


86 posted on 08/02/2009 5:34:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Jim Robinson

Is that near the section where they sell the arugula? Just sayin’...


87 posted on 08/02/2009 5:34:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: devolve

Good combo gifs you made!


88 posted on 08/02/2009 5:35:08 PM PDT by potlatch ( There is no education in the second kick of a mule.)
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To: reasonisfaith

For me it does. But it’s not in and of itself. It’s combined with the other discrepancies.

I think it’s leftist sabotage. I think they’re scared to death of this issue.


89 posted on 08/02/2009 5:35:17 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: penelopesire

Oduya is a name from the Luo tribe.

With the bizarre drama of this man’s life..it wouldn’t surprise me if Sr had a fake certificate made from his buddy Joshua. Although, kind of a strange name for someone from the Luo tribe.


90 posted on 08/02/2009 5:35:26 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: BykrBayb

lolol


91 posted on 08/02/2009 5:36:09 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. God help us.)
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To: SE Mom

Too bsd. I thought Kenya became a republic 12/12/63.


92 posted on 08/02/2009 5:36:46 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: queenkathy
u mean Dan Rather ??
93 posted on 08/02/2009 5:37:07 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: SE Mom
BTW, thanks for giving unemployed Kenyan guys more $$$ to continue feeding you guys with blatant forgeries!

I probably shouldn't give my bank account number to the guy from Nigeria either, huh?

94 posted on 08/02/2009 5:37:37 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: SE Mom; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; SunkenCiv; blam; Fred Nerks; ...

I quit....for now...


95 posted on 08/02/2009 5:38:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
I think a lot of the confusion comes from NOT having a First Edition VRWC Decoder Ring.

Nam Vet

96 posted on 08/02/2009 5:38:29 PM PDT by Nam Vet (TOTUS is absent and ROTUS speaks ! [Racist of the United States])
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To: Tanniker Smith

Forged documents are identified by reference to specific components in the document, not by a feeling in your gut.

If you can’t name the specific points which made you suspicious of the document, your comments have no meaning.


97 posted on 08/02/2009 5:39:16 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2962.htm

Kenya became independent 1963.


98 posted on 08/02/2009 5:39:17 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: DevNulled

Looks like Mr. Lavender had a very long career as a bureaucrat.


99 posted on 08/02/2009 5:39:56 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Jim Robinson
Like the Brown shirts in Germany... We now have the Green shirts here. I believe the Obama bots or Obots are circling the wagons.
100 posted on 08/02/2009 5:40:17 PM PDT by Sprite518
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