Skip to comments.Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
It has several clues, but also there's this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
That DU post is from about an hour and a half ago.
It was a result of, not a cause of, the Kenya certificate.
This poster thinks the Kenya certificate very well may be legit.
Yep..I agree that caution should be excercised for sure.
Is it me or does it sound like the person who posted that is likely the person who forged the document?
Here’s a link, FWIW.
Companies Art 1800.
GREAT GRETA COAL COMPANY LIMITED.
NOTICE is hereby given that at a special meeting of the
above-named company, hold at the office of Messrs.
Pentland and Roberts, 467 Chan eery-lane, Melbourne, on Mon-
day, the 6th day of November, 1893, the following special resolu-
tions were passed, viz.:
1. That as the above-named company have ceased operations
it is advisable that it be voluntary wound up.
2. That Charles Medcalf, of Victoria Buildings, Swaiiston-
street, Melbourne, be appointed liquidator for the purpose of the
said winding up.
WM. H. ROBERTS, Chairman.
WitnessE. F. Lavender, clerk to Messrs. Pentland and
Roberts, solicitors, Melbourne. 10862
So what about Orly? Hope she didn’t really try to run with this ....
I suppose this would be an octopus strategy....blind your opponents - in this case with fake documents - to discredit them so the real truth doesn’t come out.
It’s really unbelievable that a POTUS is hiding his BC!
the one he released does not look anywhere as impressive.
If you had read the WND article, you would see that they DID compare it to another certificate from the same period and THEY MATCHED. And both were signed by E.F. Lavender!
An E.F. Lavender worked as a paper pusher for the Australian government in 1915.
I like how some skeptics are claiming EF Lavender is a name of a soap.
Who cares if it’s true or not, make them defend it.
Fire with fire
This is just weird. Mombass wasn’t part of Kenya in 1961.
Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963.
Good. Thanks. Good news.
E.F. Lavender is the clincher. It’s most definitely a fraud.
But that in itself is a pretty strong indication of the source of the fraud (right wingers don’t know what the hell E.F. Lavender is).
I believe that is exactly what J.Farah said was done with this one; compared it to other known legitimate specimens.
I think you find that here.
He would be dead by Obama’s birth
Thanks maggie. I meant to ping you.
I am only getting 4 google links to that company.
I’m not convinced it’s a fake yet and I’ve read the entire initial thread up to now. I’ll need more than some earth friendly Lavender soap coincidence to change my mind. Though it does sound like a brand of soap some filthy liberal would use.
E. F. Lavender is the name given for the Registrar. The name of the person who signed the document is Joshua Simon Oduya.
... which proves nothing except you probably fell for the "Paul is Dead" clues also.
And how many law & dental degrees do you have?
That's what I thought... LMAO
SO, it could be a real name or it could be fake as a joke about the name of the soap.
It still gives rise to asking for it to be authenticated.
Me-day late, dollar short. As usual. LOL
Would you kindly link that WND article...I can’t seem to find it.
ALL chatter about Obomas legitimacy gets people to join the Birther movement, because Oboma could put an end to it immediately, and he's not doing it. The question arises: "Why not?"
Humans are a curious breed.
If you download it the document clearly states that anyone born after December 12th, 1963 would be a citizen of the Republic of Kenya. It is possible that it was not ratified until December 1964 but they operated under that name.
In any case, I think this document has enough identifiers in it as to be authenticatable or debunkable.
E.F. Lavender is the name of the registrar who signed and registered the original Birth Cert. in 1961.
That doesn’t mean he didn’t have relatives named after him down the road. Who knows. I am just posting stuff I find out there.
In and of itself, “E.F. Lavender” doesn’t clinch anything.
can someone else do the math....
to calculate the muslim year, you divide the Christian calendar year by 1.031 and add 622... then if you devide the result by 47044 you get almost “0.0”...since i am a math uninformed, and I did not calculate in the day of the year in which he was born....I know, I know....crazy....
First time I saw this I wanted to know what would make anyone think it was real. It looks like anything anyone could make up. Why not use loose leaf and crayons next time?
Take my case for instance - 3 different times I applied for a Fed. job. Went through the whole process including test, physical, interview and background check. Met with OPM investigators for several hours and answered several questions in which I knew they would investigate. And investigate they did, to include ex-wife and neighbors I had several years prior. I can access the report via FOIA and have done so. Amazing what ex’es say about you. In the final analysis, they take the investigation as a whole to evaluate your character. Eventually took a job from them that I didn't really want, got tired of their politically correct BS and moved on after 4 years.
My question is - Did they do the same for Hussein Obama? Does he have a file that can be accessed from FOIA? Mine can and if taken as whole can see that I was fit for Fed. service which is evidence because I worked for them for over 4 years. But what about Hussein 0bama? Did they ask him the same questions they asked me? If so - Did they further investigate? Just some things I'm wondering.
Since this morning I have been saying that this is another fraud planted by the left to make us all look bad. The total bull I read on FR today has in some ways really disgusted me.FR has a high standard regarding facts and proof and I have seen people fly off into the most insane arguments trying to prove ,once again , that now we have the REAL PROOF.Probably the same folks who KNEW the Ebay guy was the REAL THING too.( a scam that a 6 year old street kid would have seen through)
I think FR is loosing credibility by foaming at the mouth everytime some moron post a copy of a copy of a photo of a copy of the REAL PROOF.
I doubt anyone will find his original long format this point.I assure you that piece of paper is worth millions and there have been tons of people in Hawaii and Kenya for months already digging up every lead they can find..All for nothing. I’d like to get rid of this Marxist bastard more than anyone but I think the BC thing isn’t going to be the way .
Is that near the section where they sell the arugula? Just sayin’...
Good combo gifs you made!
For me it does. But it’s not in and of itself. It’s combined with the other discrepancies.
I think it’s leftist sabotage. I think they’re scared to death of this issue.
Oduya is a name from the Luo tribe.
With the bizarre drama of this man’s life..it wouldn’t surprise me if Sr had a fake certificate made from his buddy Joshua. Although, kind of a strange name for someone from the Luo tribe.
Too bsd. I thought Kenya became a republic 12/12/63.
I probably shouldn't give my bank account number to the guy from Nigeria either, huh?
I quit....for now...
Forged documents are identified by reference to specific components in the document, not by a feeling in your gut.
If you can’t name the specific points which made you suspicious of the document, your comments have no meaning.
Kenya became independent 1963.
Looks like Mr. Lavender had a very long career as a bureaucrat.