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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate ^ | 08/02/2009

Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: skr

Nothing nefarious. Probably to brighten and make it easier to read, send, or fax so as not to cause damage to the original document. I would sure like to have a REAL forensic analysis of the paper and whatever old prints might be on this thing. It is a copy of he same document. The one you just posted is even more startling. It does look as though someone had this put away for a very, very long time.
I posted on an older thread a long time ago that whoever had this thing would release it if obama got too far out of line or lost his usefulness.
The other day, I said he had missed an important deadline.
My money is still on bill clinton. If that sounds crazy, so be it.


501 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:17 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

This issue would not be a massive nationwide issue right now were it not for Orly and the Maj. taking that bold step and risk. It’s not a perfect result yet, but how much of life works out like a perfect fairy tale story with zero pitfalls?


502 posted on 08/02/2009 9:11:29 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: skr

They didn’t really clean it up. They just made a photo copy of it.


503 posted on 08/02/2009 9:12:47 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Marie

"O=10
B=2
A=1
M=8
A=1

Genius!!"

Im lost here... Why does O = 10? Should O = J?
M=8? Should M = 13?
What am I missing?

504 posted on 08/02/2009 9:12:48 PM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: mrsixpack36

“Roberts swore the guy in”

TWICE


505 posted on 08/02/2009 9:13:31 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: PureSolace

Thanks. I just got in, and didn’t read all 4 thousand entries! Just trying to catch up...appreciate your help!


506 posted on 08/02/2009 9:14:39 PM PDT by tuckrdout ("Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: callisto
Read it when it was posted.

7/11/2009

Good night.

507 posted on 08/02/2009 9:16:20 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: politicalmerc
I love the time line and how it matches up with the divorce.

January 20, 1964: Stanley Ann files for divorce

February 17, 1964: date document in question purportedly issued

March 5, 1964: Decree of Divorce issued dissolving Stanley Ann's marriage to BHO, Sr.

Stanley Ann's divorce attorney:

George L. T. Kerr : In Memoriam

Chun, Kerr, Dodd, Beaman & Wong, with great sadness, reports the passing of one of its senior partners, George L. T. Kerr.

George Lambert Tickner Kerr was born December 18, 1933, in Englewood, New Jersey. He graduated from the Manlius School near Syracuse, New York, in 1951. He earned his A.B. degree in German and English at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York, in 1955. He then attended Syracuse University College of Law, graduating in 1958. In the same year, he completed U.S. Navy Officer Candidate School in Rhode Island and was assigned to the 14th Naval District Legal Office, Pearl Harbor, where he served as a judge advocate.

After leaving the Navy in 1962, Mr. Kerr went to work as an attorney for Henshaw, Conroy and Hamilton, where he became a partner. In 1970, along with Ed Chun and Bill Dodd, he founded the firm today known as Chun, Kerr, Dodd, Beaman & Wong. Mr. Kerr specialized in business, corporate, securities and financial institutions law, and was one of Hawaii’s leading authorities in these areas. He received an “AV” rating from Martindale-Hubbell Legal Directory, and was also named in The Best Lawyers in America as one of only seven Hawaii lawyers in that publication’s section on Corporate law.

Over a 20-year period, Mr. Kerr served as an arbitrator for securities and arbitration associations. He taught Securities Regulation Law at the University of Hawaii School of Law from 1975-1976 as a visiting professor. He had also been an instructor in English, German, Commercial Law and Real Estate Law for the American Institute of Banking, U.S. Armed Forces Institute and others from 1960 to 1974. He was a member of the Hawaii State, New York State and American Bar Associations and was admitted to practice before all Hawaii courts, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court.

Mr. Kerr spent 24 years as a trustee of Le Jardin Academy in Kailua, and chaired the Board of Trustees from 1975 to 1987. He served as a moderator of Central Union Church from 1976-1977, and in 1997 was elected a trustee. He served on the board of directors of the Hawaii Conference United Church of Christ from 1976-1979, and was chairman in 1978-1979. He also was finance chairman of the Republican Party of Hawaii from 1991-1994.

Diagnosed with prostate cancer in January 1994, George devoted himself to helping other men with the disease. From 1995 until his death, he was regional director for US TOO! International, a prostate cancer support group network. He headed two prostate cancer support groups on Oahu, and started other groups on Maui and Kauai. In 1997, the American Cancer Society honored him with its Patient Service Award for his volunteer work. George died on August 20, 1998, at Saint Francis Hospice in Honolulu, just eleven days after being interviewed for a TV documentary on prostate cancer. The hour-long program was nationally broadcast on public television stations in June, 1999.

George Kerr’s death is a great loss to our firm, to the legal community, and to his wife, Elspeth (”Eppie”), and his two children, Keoki and Sissy. His intelligence, humor, and strength of character are sorely missed by everyone who knew him.

508 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:12 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: Uncle Chip

Of course the name is real. Just because some bot said it meant earth friendly lavender means nothing at this point.


509 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:21 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: mel
102181 sealed it for me fake of well

I searched for a few hours today and found one lame reference to Kenya as "The Republic of Kenya" prior to Dec of 1964. They just didn't call it that until Dec of '64. They spoke of Kenya *becoming* a republic, but didn't call it that.

102181 seals the deal for me.

I, for one, am proud of FR. Yes, we got up in arms over it, but we also were the ones to debunk it, even if the outcome isn't what many of us *wanted* it to be.

510 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:38 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: GregoTX

That’s the genius of it. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

If you had gone to Princeton, you’d understand. :p


511 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:38 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: DouglasKC

and his “friend” Marrion Oxymoron ?????


512 posted on 08/02/2009 9:18:41 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: Marie

Check your ABC’s before you pat yourself on the back too much. Might want to investigate the ‘republic’ thing a bit more too.


513 posted on 08/02/2009 9:20:53 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Houghton M.

But the Original.........

Where would the original go. Kenya or zanzibar?


514 posted on 08/02/2009 9:21:05 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: savedbygrace
If Obama is a natural born citizen but refuses to provide his actual birth certificate, even someone with a public school education would wonder what he's hiding.
The gentleman from D.U. who posted this link there needs to enlighten us all as to what he thinks is hiding on Obama's actual birth certificate.
515 posted on 08/02/2009 9:22:24 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: Jim Robinson; All
There is a "easy" way to solve this with reasonably high statsitical probability for accuracy.

Just solicit copies of extant forms of the same type from a small pool of 45-year-old Kenyan nationals or Kenyan-born naturalized citizens with the document, pay them a small fee, half up-front, half upon receipt. Assume a certain percentage of received copies will be fradulent.

Once a specific similarity pattern develops - say, 10 forms received, six match a common format, common registrar names, consistent form numbering, 2 are similar but unline the others, and a third is unique - you've got your culled sample pool.

Using that pool as a base, the purpoted Obama document must match the following criteria:

A) Its numerical sequence number of 47,044 will bear logical relation to other certificates, from which the sequence pattern will have been ascertained (probably incremental, and according to date of issue)

B) The Registrar officials' names will match. Account for possibility of replacement of such officials - as long as the continuity is retained within the pool, this is fine.

C) All of the printed details - "Republic of Kenya", typeface, seal, ancillary details of the printed portion of the form - match. Here we might be able to risk an assumption: a very low probability that the form itself changed at some point during the year.

If such documents are obtained on-the-ground, collusive disruption efforts to flood the pool with multiple documents of a common fraudulent type would be be almost impossible.

This would be difficult to accomplish with high-confidence result using the web alone. It would require a trip to Kenya on a fact-finding mission. But it would answer the question of authenticity one way or the other with an extremely high probability of accuracy that would be extraordinarily tough to refute by either side.

516 posted on 08/02/2009 9:22:34 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: mrsixpack36
Lets play devil’s advocate. Lets say he does have a valid BC out there. Why wouldn’t he let us use this as a distraction. He could milk it for all its worth, then in 3 years, produce it and say “see I told you so”.

I'm 90% sure that the president is legit, but I do think he's hiding something else that's damning. I just wish people would get off the whole *birth* thing and just keep digging to see *what* that man is hiding.

I also don't think that it'll matter if we found out conclusively that he was born in Africa. I don't think that it'll matter if we find out that he was legally adopted by his step-father. They're not going to dump him one way or another.

But if we find out that he committed fraud by claiming to be a foreign exchange student to get scholarships.... Something like *that* might make a dent in his shiny armor.

517 posted on 08/02/2009 9:22:40 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: Marie

I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post at all.


518 posted on 08/02/2009 9:22:44 PM PDT by PowerPro (2009 - Conservative Revolution Reborn (Go Palin!))
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To: tuckrdout; skr

Yeah... where’d the rip come from?


519 posted on 08/02/2009 9:23:03 PM PDT by txhurl (Put the pressure on and keep it on until this administration snaps.)
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To: PureSolace

Yes, that member was trying to be helpful. Maybe there is a way to label these things to cut down on the confusion. A note across (or above) the top saying “manipulated image to highlight lettering” or something similar might help.


520 posted on 08/02/2009 9:23:33 PM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: txhurl
Yeah... where’d the rip come from?

I'm only posting this because I'm trying to put out fires. These issues have already been discussed and solved. Please see this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts?page=895#895

Thank you.

521 posted on 08/02/2009 9:26:15 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: sonic109
If she had a document that would have made Obama ineligible to run for office she sure as hell would have pulled it out at some point.She wanted to be president more than life itself

Right, we all know Hillary is as clean as the wind driven snow.

It's not like the thugs in Chicago don't have enough goods on her to bury her for decades.

That argument of your is total Bravo Sierra

522 posted on 08/02/2009 9:27:34 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Marie
102181 seals the deal for me.

Someone explain this number. :) Please educate me, thank you.

523 posted on 08/02/2009 9:27:48 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: autumnraine; plenipotentiary; Houghton M.; CommieCutter
http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/Kenyan%20constitution%20amended%202008.pdf

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, 1963

Now it was officially recognized by the government of Britain the world in 1964, but in 1963, when they declared their independence , they considered themselves “The Republic of Kenya”.

If I’m not mistaken


You are mistaken, this has been debunked about 300 times today so you're in good company. The constitution you are citing is a 2008 modern amended one. The original one from 1963 does not refer to Kenya anywhere as a republic. In fact it recognizes the queen of england as the head of state, that's not a characteristic of a republic. There is a reason the kenyan's own official histories list the fact that they became a republic in december 1964 -- because they weren't one before!

See link to the 1963 constitution here:

http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/KEL63-002.pdf


524 posted on 08/02/2009 9:29:29 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Miss Didi; MrDem

Could it be related to this...?

http://fiftyseven-thirtythree.com/

They are uber-libs who produce a clothing line and adore The One.


525 posted on 08/02/2009 9:30:29 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

That’s fine. But you’ve been here for 5 years, not 15 minutes.


526 posted on 08/02/2009 9:31:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: savedbygrace
"Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place."

Ditto, that and the fact mother was not old enough to bestow citizenship is enough to disqualify and declare he's an illegal alien. Anything else is window dressing and a distraction.

527 posted on 08/02/2009 9:32:02 PM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: PowerPro

Me neither...maybe you can read this and figure it out..I mena ‘M’ is not the 8th letter of the alphabet...’H’ is....”O” is not the 10th...”J” is...


Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
August 2, 2009 9:50:08 PM EDT · 265 of 521
trumandogz to Aquabird
Yeah, I screwed up on my code

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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
August 2, 2009 9:01:44 PM EDT · 146 of 521
trumandogz to MrDem
O=10
B=2
A=1
M=8
A=1

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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
August 2, 2009 9:01:33 PM EDT · 143 of 521
trumandogz to MrDem
O=10
B=2
A=1
M=8
A=1

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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
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trumandogz to romans828
the 44-O-47 coincidence is a bit suspicious.
Not as suspicious as the number: 102181

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528 posted on 08/02/2009 9:33:04 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

Where is the number 102181 on the document? I am not finding it.


529 posted on 08/02/2009 9:34:36 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: BP2

I am assuming that you saw this news paper article?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts?page=3463#3463


530 posted on 08/02/2009 9:35:42 PM PDT by Revel
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To: SatinDoll

Oh, Ronin. I didn’t say WND had put the BCs online: only that they had examples.

Do you think they’re stupid, and would put the examples online so liberals could spec the game?


531 posted on 08/02/2009 9:36:01 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

Sorry. Wron anser to wrong post.


532 posted on 08/02/2009 9:37:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Marty62
Even Dan Rather had the sense to keep his scam quiet.

Laughing...

533 posted on 08/02/2009 9:38:32 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Mount Athos

This has already been debunked. That area of Kenya was already calling itself the Republic of Kenya.

Why else do similar birth certificates at that same time also say ‘Republic of Kenya’?


534 posted on 08/02/2009 9:38:36 PM PDT by Aquabird
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To: Marie

See comment 455. They state that they have compared it against other certificates at the time. However, the image may well be of the original document.


535 posted on 08/02/2009 9:38:50 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Kirkwood
Well I'm sure it was just a (Muslimdian) eeerrr Freudian Slip on Barry's part after all there is the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) which has 57 member states.

Wikipedia OIC

oic-oci.org


536 posted on 08/02/2009 9:40:11 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: marron
I would have hoped that before they went public with this, they would have obtained another birth certificate from the same area and era for comparison, and that some effort would have been made to verify authenticity.

There was no point in making this public until they were sure it was real.


I agree with what you are saying here.

I am especially disappointed in one aspect of the WND article. They state,

"WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical. "

OK WND, were these comparison certificates from BEFORE or AFTER dec 12th 1964? To my mind the biggest hole in this document is that it says "REPUBLIC OF KENYA" on both the document heading AND official seal, 10 months before Kenya became the "republic of Kenya".

If WND can show us (image please!) a document before Dec 12th 1964 that has "Republic of Kenya" headings and seal, then the chances of this document being authentic jump dramatically.

I am skeptical they can do so. Kenya was very careful not to release postage stamps that said REPUBLIC OF KENYA until exactly the day when the December 1964 constitutional amendments making it so passed.

If they can't find a document that has these features, they should say so! Was the comparison document before or after this date? It's very important and disappointing they omit this key fact.
537 posted on 08/02/2009 9:40:51 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Fred Nerks

What is that...and where...?


538 posted on 08/02/2009 9:41:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Tedro

Salamander is the one who uploaded the new image to Scribd?


539 posted on 08/02/2009 9:44:21 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

The Scribd info comes from Orly Taitz I believe.


540 posted on 08/02/2009 9:45:18 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: trumandogz

I understand why A=1 and B=2, but why does O=10 and M=8?


541 posted on 08/02/2009 9:45:55 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: Aquabird
O=15 B=2 A=1 M=13 A=1

You convinced me that I am punch-drunk and incapable of a rational thought. I was 100% convinced that this whole thing was crap (90% convinced before somebody posted the numbers, then the numbers pushed me over the edge). Now I am ready to admit that I can't think and that I don't know what the heck is going on anymore! lol!

542 posted on 08/02/2009 9:47:42 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: pissant; L_Patriot
Welcome to FR. Come here to bad mouth a patriot like Orly?

Wow, they're really coming out of the woodwork:

FR under attack again by leftist punk trolls

543 posted on 08/02/2009 9:48:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Red Steel

On the other hand, the Marxists’ only strategy left if this document is genuine is to flood the newwaves with trash.

If there is one thing we have all learned in this sad, sorted affair is to never, ever trust a jpg. of a document The document itself must be examined. Failing that, everything is just static.

Let’s have the document examined and then proceed.

ex animo
davidfarrar


544 posted on 08/02/2009 9:49:19 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: nysuperdoodle

Because I was out in my yard, breaking the law by watering my lawn and did not think it through.

Too busy looking out for the H2O Police.


545 posted on 08/02/2009 9:50:07 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: BP2

Thanks,....you do good work!


546 posted on 08/02/2009 9:50:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PureSolace

It’s nothing. Silly people trying to do numerology and screwing it up really bad. It’s just a number and it doesn’t represent anything.


547 posted on 08/02/2009 9:51:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: MestaMachine

Why replace the early morning image with a different version? No one is going to fold or wear out an internet picture. The first one is more legible than the photoshopped one, so it makes no sense to me to go to all that trouble, including removing the gaping tear at the top. However authentic it may or may not be, it looks fake now.


548 posted on 08/02/2009 9:52:45 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Aquabird
This has already been debunked. That area of Kenya was already calling itself the Republic of Kenya.

It has not been dunked.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that they ever called themselves this? The best BP came up with so far was that they MAY have called themselves this. He has not yet come up with a single instance of them doing so anywhere, and especially not in official documents or seals. Who was the head of state of the supposed "republic of Kenya"?

If you are asserting that they call themselves "Republic of Kenya" before they even first announced they were moving in that direction in mid august 1964, then you either know something you haven't shared with us or you are pushing a falsehood.

Why else do similar birth certificates at that same time also say ‘Republic of Kenya’?

Once again, either you know something that is not widely known or you are pushing a falsehood. The WND article did not explicitly state that the documents they used for comparison were from before December 1964, nor did the article say it shared the "republic of Kenya" header and official seal.
549 posted on 08/02/2009 9:53:00 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: sushiman; Houghton M.
He said “ LET’S MOVE ON “ .

You Listen to Cunningham? He ain't moving on. He's giving the "Birthers" a WIDE audience.

550 posted on 08/02/2009 9:53:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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