Skip to comments.Snooping for clunkers: Government trades car credits for access to computer files
Posted on 08/03/2009 9:24:15 PM PDT by Abakumov
"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected and disclosed to authorized CARS, [Department of Transportation] and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
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One thing I have not heard in all the C4C talk is the tax all the folks who went for this will have to pay on the income tax forms at the end of the year. Bet some are going to be surprised.
Is this not the case anytime one logs on to a fed system?
SHH! Reminds of Oprah's car giveaway. The ingrates whined about the taxes. Other people should pay taxes, not the ones who receive the largess.
It's not hard.
Hell, it's probably the case any time you turn your computer on these days...
If they’ll give me $4500 (cash) they can HAVE my computer.
They can track you when you use a cellphone.
Use a computer and they keep tabs where you go.
The digital converter box's are hooked into phone lines
so who knows.
If your state has a chip in your drivers license they can
track you at red light cameras.
I’m no fan of this socialist redistribution scheme, but the law specifically states that it is not to be considered as income for tax purposes. Saying that people will have to declare it on their tax forms is just flat wrong.
“Don’t connect any regular business computers.”
Trust me, if the government wants into your network, they’ll get in.
Techies were trying to warn people of this problem a LONG time ago.
It’s too late. The government has a real-time, birds-eye view of just about anything they want to see now.
Commercial encryption is a joke, the government has the punchline, and ISP’s rollover like dogs for the government nowadays.
You are being watched, or, at least, data you create today is being stored for ‘evidence’ later, if needed.
You folks that load up Facebook, and the like, with personal information are brave souls, or ignorant of the risks.
Anyway, this is how it happens, you ‘wake up’ one day and realize that you’re not free anymore.
This hard-left onslaught we’re suffering through right now might just be the BIGGEST case of this ‘waking up’ in human history.
This health care/cap ‘n trade thing has nothing at all to do with health care or global warming.
You are being enslaved and you don’t even know it.
But you will likely discount me as extreme/alarmist/kook like you did when I was trying to warn people about snooping gov’t computer goons ten years ago.
(you, in the general sense)
You mean the United States Government .....
The Chinese government has enjoyed that sort of entree for years, thanks to their army of hackers, crackers, and spamcriminals.
“The American Civil Liberties Union showed no interest in investigating the invasion of privacy and would only comment to us that “it is hard to believe that [the Obama administration] would do something like this.” Big Brother can get away with a lot when the watch dogs aren’t watching what’s going on. “
I mentioned Glenn Beck’s report on this to my 30 yr old son. His reply, while rolling his eyes....mom, you’ve got to stop listening to these conspiracy theorists.
No. Govt snooping on your PC when logged into a govt site is no different than spyware, malware, virus makers, etc.
Oh, yes, the east is having a field day with our love of technology.
Americans forgot the commies are smart.
That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in right now.
I’m pretty sure this is a result of someone using a boilerplate warning for the system.
Car dealerships aren’t forced to participate in the program, right? It seems a bit naive to think that you can make deals with the government and not have give something precious in return. If privacy is important to you, maybe it’s better to not cooperate with the government.
These are the same people who were outraged over the Patriot Act.
Of course the ACLU isn’t interested. They got a dog in the fight, and their dog is the pack leader.
Lousy system design, probably some kind of VPN tunnel. If I can file my taxes online without executing an agreement like this, then dealers should be able to file for these rebates online with equal lack of encumbrances.
You mean if *WE* give you $4500?
You are so correct.
Ya mean kinda like when you take that mortgage or dependent deduction on your Fed income tax? Never had kids, never had a mortgage, but I've been subsidizing those of others my entire working life and still do in retirement.
We didn’t have a mortgage while our kids were living at home. Never saw that deduction.
Makes me wonder if people remember, *We the people are also We the government*
Did anyone ever buy a car from a dealer BEFORE C4C?
Or did anyone every buy a car from a dealer and not participate in C4C?
Does the dealer's IT system include records of those transactions?
Then the federal government (by the dealer's agreement to the banner) has rights to ALL those records.
I guess there's not much "privacy information" on a credit application, loan information, purchase contract, trade-in report, title and registration, and licensing documentation.
An income tax deduction is an example of a tax payer “keeping more of his own earned money.” It has nothing to do with your tax return. Besides, since you have never declared dependents, and thus have put a bit more in each years’s tax return into the treasury than parents did, you have covered a bit more for the amount of Social Security and Medicare, etc that you will be getting from the govt. Perhaps some of those other people’s children will be the workers who subsidize your retirement income.
The $4500 is being ‘given’ BY our treasury department to the car dealer who sells a government approved car. Since our govt is broke, we may even say that it is now the Chinese govt who are ‘giving’ the dollars to the dealers.
Lovely thoughts! First our manufacturing gone away, now.....
I would connect to it via a virtual machine and have a boatload of folders named F_U_B_O and Eff_Obama.
Strange but isn’t this what the dimrats were accusing Bush/Cheney of doing along with listening to our phone calls? Oh now I see, first they accuse the other side of (fill in the blank), then they turn around and do the very same thing.
Nothing that can't be resolved by a totally flat tax with no deductions and no credits. It's about time that everybody had the same amount of skin in the game.
??? Perhaps instead of return, you meant refund. Your tax return is the document on which you report your income and deductions. If it turns out the government owes you money back, that's a refund.
I have the mortgage deduction, and I have kids.
I still pay taxes every year.
Just because someone pays less tax than you doesn't mean you're "subsidizing" anything.
Glenn Beck announced on his show yesterday that they received a correspondence with the Obama Administration yesterday afternoon saying that they have taken down the web page in question (only accessible with dealerships) and are rewording it.
Glenn did mention how he came across the web page. A single individual contacted him and told him about it. That person does not want to be know.
No. They don't own your computer, they own the data you put on theirs.
How ironic. From the same bunch taking over the entire American economy.
They can't even secure their own from outside threats.
I don't blame that person. If the government knew who it was, Obama could issue an IRS audit on that person and make that person's life a living hell.
Many people don't have mortgages or children, in fact most don't, if you consider every taxpayer's lifetime of IRS filings. So your lack of deductions is not a direct transfer of money to a taxfiler who does have those deductions, in the way that the payment of $4500 to certain new car buyers is a direct transfer, aka "redistribution" of wealth.