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Snooping for clunkers: Government trades car credits for access to computer files
The Washington Times ^ | August 4, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 08/03/2009 9:24:15 PM PDT by Abakumov

"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected and disclosed to authorized CARS, [Department of Transportation] and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; clunkers; computers; privacy; spying

1 posted on 08/03/2009 9:24:15 PM PDT by Abakumov
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To: Abakumov

One thing I have not heard in all the C4C talk is the tax all the folks who went for this will have to pay on the income tax forms at the end of the year. Bet some are going to be surprised.


2 posted on 08/03/2009 9:35:31 PM PDT by celtic gal (CONGRESS IS FULL OF CLUNKERS AND THEY CARRY A (D) AFTER THEIR NAMES)
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To: Abakumov

Is this not the case anytime one logs on to a fed system?


3 posted on 08/03/2009 9:36:54 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: celtic gal
One thing I have not heard in all the C4C talk is the tax all the folks who went for this will have to pay on the income tax forms at the end of the year. Bet some are going to be surprised.

SHH! Reminds of Oprah's car giveaway. The ingrates whined about the taxes. Other people should pay taxes, not the ones who receive the largess.

4 posted on 08/03/2009 9:38:56 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Abakumov
GMAB, a computer is, at its essance, a hard drive with files and software. "Build" a specific one to connect to the gov't that has NO files giving privacy away to the gov't.

It's not hard.

5 posted on 08/03/2009 9:39:10 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Abakumov
Here is a u-tube video from Glenn Beck that shows the screen, sorry I don't know how to post a hyperlink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_cyRPJ3yZA&feature=related

6 posted on 08/03/2009 9:40:25 PM PDT by Angel
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To: Abakumov
Glenn Beck's take on this.

7 posted on 08/03/2009 9:42:22 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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To: Angel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_cyRPJ3yZA&feature=related
8 posted on 08/03/2009 9:43:12 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Paladin2
If I was a dealer, I would spend $350 at Costco for an Acer netbook and dedicate it to the C4C activity. Don't connect any regular business computers. The only thing the snoops will see is a clean Windows netbook.
9 posted on 08/03/2009 9:43:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: the invisib1e hand
Is this not the case anytime one logs on to a fed system?

Hell, it's probably the case any time you turn your computer on these days...

10 posted on 08/03/2009 9:44:05 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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To: Abakumov

If they’ll give me $4500 (cash) they can HAVE my computer.


11 posted on 08/03/2009 9:48:26 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Abakumov
*Gomer Pyle's voice/*

Surprises!
Surprises!
Surprises!

*/Gomer Pyle's voice*

Orwell's 1984, has arrived

12 posted on 08/03/2009 9:48:49 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: glock rocks
Is this not the case anytime one logs on to a fed system?
Hell, it's probably the case any time you turn your computer on these days...

Technology can be used against us!!

They can track you when you use a cellphone.
Use a computer and they keep tabs where you go.
The digital converter box's are hooked into phone lines
so who knows.
If your state has a chip in your drivers license they can
track you at red light cameras.

13 posted on 08/03/2009 9:50:29 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: celtic gal

I’m no fan of this socialist redistribution scheme, but the law specifically states that it is not to be considered as income for tax purposes. Saying that people will have to declare it on their tax forms is just flat wrong.


14 posted on 08/03/2009 10:16:19 PM PDT by franklog
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To: Myrddin

“Don’t connect any regular business computers.”

Trust me, if the government wants into your network, they’ll get in.

Techies were trying to warn people of this problem a LONG time ago.

It’s too late. The government has a real-time, birds-eye view of just about anything they want to see now.

Commercial encryption is a joke, the government has the punchline, and ISP’s rollover like dogs for the government nowadays.

You are being watched, or, at least, data you create today is being stored for ‘evidence’ later, if needed.

You folks that load up Facebook, and the like, with personal information are brave souls, or ignorant of the risks.

Anyway, this is how it happens, you ‘wake up’ one day and realize that you’re not free anymore.

This hard-left onslaught we’re suffering through right now might just be the BIGGEST case of this ‘waking up’ in human history.

This health care/cap ‘n trade thing has nothing at all to do with health care or global warming.

You are being enslaved and you don’t even know it.

But you will likely discount me as extreme/alarmist/kook like you did when I was trying to warn people about snooping gov’t computer goons ten years ago.

(you, in the general sense)


15 posted on 08/03/2009 11:47:18 PM PDT by Boucheau (The enemy of freedom is on the left.)
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To: Boucheau
Trust me, if the government wants into your network, they’ll get in.

You mean the United States Government .....

The Chinese government has enjoyed that sort of entree for years, thanks to their army of hackers, crackers, and spamcriminals.

16 posted on 08/03/2009 11:58:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Abakumov

“The American Civil Liberties Union showed no interest in investigating the invasion of privacy and would only comment to us that “it is hard to believe that [the Obama administration] would do something like this.” Big Brother can get away with a lot when the watch dogs aren’t watching what’s going on. “

I mentioned Glenn Beck’s report on this to my 30 yr old son. His reply, while rolling his eyes....mom, you’ve got to stop listening to these conspiracy theorists.


17 posted on 08/04/2009 12:01:33 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.........DeMint/Sessions, 2012)
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To: the invisib1e hand

No. Govt snooping on your PC when logged into a govt site is no different than spyware, malware, virus makers, etc.

Unexcuseable.


18 posted on 08/04/2009 12:12:27 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Mainstream Media cheered: Ascension of Castro, Chavez and now Obama.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Oh, yes, the east is having a field day with our love of technology.

Americans forgot the commies are smart.

That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in right now.


19 posted on 08/04/2009 12:21:48 AM PDT by Boucheau (The enemy of freedom is on the left.)
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To: Abakumov

I’m pretty sure this is a result of someone using a boilerplate warning for the system.

Car dealerships aren’t forced to participate in the program, right? It seems a bit naive to think that you can make deals with the government and not have give something precious in return. If privacy is important to you, maybe it’s better to not cooperate with the government.


20 posted on 08/04/2009 12:58:32 AM PDT by RogerAdams
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To: Abakumov

These are the same people who were outraged over the Patriot Act.


21 posted on 08/04/2009 1:35:57 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: Kimberly GG

Of course the ACLU isn’t interested. They got a dog in the fight, and their dog is the pack leader.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 1:39:32 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: Abakumov
"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government"

By what authority? What does the, um, law have to say about that? Because I don't really give a darn what you "consider"!


23 posted on 08/04/2009 2:20:28 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Abakumov

Lousy system design, probably some kind of VPN tunnel. If I can file my taxes online without executing an agreement like this, then dealers should be able to file for these rebates online with equal lack of encumbrances.


24 posted on 08/04/2009 3:02:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Cementjungle

You mean if *WE* give you $4500?


25 posted on 08/04/2009 3:40:41 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Boucheau

You are so correct.


26 posted on 08/04/2009 3:44:25 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: wolfcreek
You mean if *WE* give you $4500?

Ya mean kinda like when you take that mortgage or dependent deduction on your Fed income tax? Never had kids, never had a mortgage, but I've been subsidizing those of others my entire working life and still do in retirement.

27 posted on 08/04/2009 4:38:50 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: the invisib1e hand

no.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 4:42:39 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Roccus

We didn’t have a mortgage while our kids were living at home. Never saw that deduction.

Makes me wonder if people remember, *We the people are also We the government*


29 posted on 08/04/2009 4:53:46 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Abakumov
Here are my questions:

Did anyone ever buy a car from a dealer BEFORE C4C?

Or did anyone every buy a car from a dealer and not participate in C4C?

Does the dealer's IT system include records of those transactions?

(Yes...yes...yes)

Then the federal government (by the dealer's agreement to the banner) has rights to ALL those records.

< sarc>

I guess there's not much "privacy information" on a credit application, loan information, purchase contract, trade-in report, title and registration, and licensing documentation.

< /sarc>

30 posted on 08/04/2009 4:55:23 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Roccus

An income tax deduction is an example of a tax payer “keeping more of his own earned money.” It has nothing to do with your tax return. Besides, since you have never declared dependents, and thus have put a bit more in each years’s tax return into the treasury than parents did, you have covered a bit more for the amount of Social Security and Medicare, etc that you will be getting from the govt. Perhaps some of those other people’s children will be the workers who subsidize your retirement income.

The $4500 is being ‘given’ BY our treasury department to the car dealer who sells a government approved car. Since our govt is broke, we may even say that it is now the Chinese govt who are ‘giving’ the dollars to the dealers.

Lovely thoughts! First our manufacturing gone away, now.....


31 posted on 08/04/2009 5:00:05 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Myrddin

I would connect to it via a virtual machine and have a boatload of folders named F_U_B_O and Eff_Obama.


32 posted on 08/04/2009 5:04:13 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Boucheau

Strange but isn’t this what the dimrats were accusing Bush/Cheney of doing along with listening to our phone calls? Oh now I see, first they accuse the other side of (fill in the blank), then they turn around and do the very same thing.


33 posted on 08/04/2009 5:30:26 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Boys and Girls, it's us against them.)
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To: Roccus
Ya mean kinda like when you take that mortgage or dependent deduction on your Fed income tax? Never had kids, never had a mortgage, but I've been subsidizing those of others my entire working life and still do in retirement.

Nothing that can't be resolved by a totally flat tax with no deductions and no credits. It's about time that everybody had the same amount of skin in the game.

34 posted on 08/04/2009 5:38:23 AM PDT by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success.)
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To: maica
An income tax deduction is an example of a tax payer “keeping more of his own earned money.” It has nothing to do with your tax return.

??? Perhaps instead of return, you meant refund. Your tax return is the document on which you report your income and deductions. If it turns out the government owes you money back, that's a refund.

35 posted on 08/04/2009 6:04:10 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Roccus
It's every American's patriotic duty to pay as little tax as they can get away with IMO.

I have the mortgage deduction, and I have kids.

I still pay taxes every year.

Just because someone pays less tax than you doesn't mean you're "subsidizing" anything.

36 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:06 AM PDT by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: Abakumov
All your Cookies are belong to us.

37 posted on 08/04/2009 6:27:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: All
Just an UPDATE.

Glenn Beck announced on his show yesterday that they received a correspondence with the Obama Administration yesterday afternoon saying that they have taken down the web page in question (only accessible with dealerships) and are rewording it.

Glenn did mention how he came across the web page. A single individual contacted him and told him about it. That person does not want to be know.

38 posted on 08/04/2009 6:32:43 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Is this not the case anytime one logs on to a fed system?

No.  They don't own your computer, they own the data you put on theirs.

39 posted on 08/04/2009 7:13:48 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: Abakumov

How ironic. From the same bunch taking over the entire American economy.


40 posted on 08/04/2009 7:13:51 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: Boucheau
Trust me, if the government wants into your network, they’ll get in.

They can't even secure their own from outside threats.

41 posted on 08/04/2009 7:15:03 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: mware
Glenn did mention how he came across the web page. A single individual contacted him and told him about it. That person does not want to be know.

I don't blame that person.  If the government knew who it was, Obama could issue an IRS audit on that person and make that person's life a living hell.

42 posted on 08/04/2009 7:17:03 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: newgeezer
Sorry about that. When I wrote It has nothing to do with your tax return I wasn't very clear at all. What I meant was that someone else's deductions on their 1040 had nothing to do with YOUR own tax filing, deductions, exemptions, etc.

Many people don't have mortgages or children, in fact most don't, if you consider every taxpayer's lifetime of IRS filings. So your lack of deductions is not a direct transfer of money to a taxfiler who does have those deductions, in the way that the payment of $4500 to certain new car buyers is a direct transfer, aka "redistribution" of wealth.

43 posted on 08/04/2009 7:40:36 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: mewzilla

BTTT.


44 posted on 08/05/2009 6:33:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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