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Snooping for clunkers: Government trades car credits for access to computer files
The Washington Times ^ | August 4, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 08/03/2009 9:24:15 PM PDT by Abakumov

"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected and disclosed to authorized CARS, [Department of Transportation] and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; clunkers; computers; privacy; spying
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To: Abakumov

These are the same people who were outraged over the Patriot Act.


21 posted on 08/04/2009 1:35:57 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: Kimberly GG

Of course the ACLU isn’t interested. They got a dog in the fight, and their dog is the pack leader.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 1:39:32 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: Abakumov
"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government"

By what authority? What does the, um, law have to say about that? Because I don't really give a darn what you "consider"!


23 posted on 08/04/2009 2:20:28 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Abakumov

Lousy system design, probably some kind of VPN tunnel. If I can file my taxes online without executing an agreement like this, then dealers should be able to file for these rebates online with equal lack of encumbrances.


24 posted on 08/04/2009 3:02:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Cementjungle

You mean if *WE* give you $4500?


25 posted on 08/04/2009 3:40:41 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Boucheau

You are so correct.


26 posted on 08/04/2009 3:44:25 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: wolfcreek
You mean if *WE* give you $4500?

Ya mean kinda like when you take that mortgage or dependent deduction on your Fed income tax? Never had kids, never had a mortgage, but I've been subsidizing those of others my entire working life and still do in retirement.

27 posted on 08/04/2009 4:38:50 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: the invisib1e hand

no.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 4:42:39 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Roccus

We didn’t have a mortgage while our kids were living at home. Never saw that deduction.

Makes me wonder if people remember, *We the people are also We the government*


29 posted on 08/04/2009 4:53:46 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Abakumov
Here are my questions:

Did anyone ever buy a car from a dealer BEFORE C4C?

Or did anyone every buy a car from a dealer and not participate in C4C?

Does the dealer's IT system include records of those transactions?

(Yes...yes...yes)

Then the federal government (by the dealer's agreement to the banner) has rights to ALL those records.

< sarc>

I guess there's not much "privacy information" on a credit application, loan information, purchase contract, trade-in report, title and registration, and licensing documentation.

< /sarc>

30 posted on 08/04/2009 4:55:23 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Roccus

An income tax deduction is an example of a tax payer “keeping more of his own earned money.” It has nothing to do with your tax return. Besides, since you have never declared dependents, and thus have put a bit more in each years’s tax return into the treasury than parents did, you have covered a bit more for the amount of Social Security and Medicare, etc that you will be getting from the govt. Perhaps some of those other people’s children will be the workers who subsidize your retirement income.

The $4500 is being ‘given’ BY our treasury department to the car dealer who sells a government approved car. Since our govt is broke, we may even say that it is now the Chinese govt who are ‘giving’ the dollars to the dealers.

Lovely thoughts! First our manufacturing gone away, now.....


31 posted on 08/04/2009 5:00:05 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Myrddin

I would connect to it via a virtual machine and have a boatload of folders named F_U_B_O and Eff_Obama.


32 posted on 08/04/2009 5:04:13 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Boucheau

Strange but isn’t this what the dimrats were accusing Bush/Cheney of doing along with listening to our phone calls? Oh now I see, first they accuse the other side of (fill in the blank), then they turn around and do the very same thing.


33 posted on 08/04/2009 5:30:26 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Boys and Girls, it's us against them.)
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To: Roccus
Ya mean kinda like when you take that mortgage or dependent deduction on your Fed income tax? Never had kids, never had a mortgage, but I've been subsidizing those of others my entire working life and still do in retirement.

Nothing that can't be resolved by a totally flat tax with no deductions and no credits. It's about time that everybody had the same amount of skin in the game.

34 posted on 08/04/2009 5:38:23 AM PDT by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success.)
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To: maica
An income tax deduction is an example of a tax payer “keeping more of his own earned money.” It has nothing to do with your tax return.

??? Perhaps instead of return, you meant refund. Your tax return is the document on which you report your income and deductions. If it turns out the government owes you money back, that's a refund.

35 posted on 08/04/2009 6:04:10 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Roccus
It's every American's patriotic duty to pay as little tax as they can get away with IMO.

I have the mortgage deduction, and I have kids.

I still pay taxes every year.

Just because someone pays less tax than you doesn't mean you're "subsidizing" anything.

36 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:06 AM PDT by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: Abakumov
All your Cookies are belong to us.

37 posted on 08/04/2009 6:27:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: All
Just an UPDATE.

Glenn Beck announced on his show yesterday that they received a correspondence with the Obama Administration yesterday afternoon saying that they have taken down the web page in question (only accessible with dealerships) and are rewording it.

Glenn did mention how he came across the web page. A single individual contacted him and told him about it. That person does not want to be know.

38 posted on 08/04/2009 6:32:43 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Is this not the case anytime one logs on to a fed system?

No.  They don't own your computer, they own the data you put on theirs.

39 posted on 08/04/2009 7:13:48 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: Abakumov

How ironic. From the same bunch taking over the entire American economy.


40 posted on 08/04/2009 7:13:51 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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