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What happened to Michelle Obama's law license ?
WorldNetDaily ^ | August 4, 2009 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 08/04/2009 9:00:27 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Why did Michelle Obama give up her license to practice law in 1993?

Records listed at the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois list her status as "voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law."

It further states that Michelle license is "on court ordered inactive status."

The statement has many bloggers wondering why a court would issue an order to stop Michelle Obama from practicing law, and some have even suggested the first lady faced may have been facing allegations of misconduct.

Michelle Obama, known as Michelle Robinson at the time, attended Princeton University and earned her juris doctor degree from Harvard Law School in 1988. She took the bar exam in Illinois, passing it on her second try and receiving her license from the state of Illinois.

In 1988, Michelle became an associate at Sidley & Austin, a corporate law firm in her home town of Chicago. She was assigned to mentor summer associate and future husband, Barack Obama.

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1 posted on 08/04/2009 9:00:27 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

It’s the ‘White House Chicago Way’.


2 posted on 08/04/2009 9:02:16 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: RobinMasters

I believe she quit paying the fee. I don’t think it’s more than that but I could be wrong.


3 posted on 08/04/2009 9:04:16 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: bergmeid

You are right. You are wrong.


4 posted on 08/04/2009 9:05:13 PM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: bergmeid

This has been discussed so many times on FR. And it is only now that WND finds it?

The info should look different if she had quit paying her fee.

Look at Obama’s info. He is no longer an attorney.


5 posted on 08/04/2009 9:09:14 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Crawdad
You are right. You are wrong.

Because...?

6 posted on 08/04/2009 9:09:23 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: Crawdad
Maybe she didn't have time to complete her required CLEs. That's Continuing Legal Education courses. You must maintain a certain number of hours per year to keep your license active.
7 posted on 08/04/2009 9:10:06 PM PDT by adgirl
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To: bergmeid

You go through grueling law school, take the bar twice, and then only practice for four years? Right.


8 posted on 08/04/2009 9:13:57 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RobinMasters
Why did Michelle Obama give up her license to practice law in 1993?
Incompetence
9 posted on 08/04/2009 9:15:07 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I don't mind being called tough, because in this racket it's tough guys who lead the survivors.)
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To: RobinMasters

Bizarre article. I wasted my time reading the entire thing and it seems like much ado about nothing.


10 posted on 08/04/2009 9:15:45 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: RobinMasters

I read the entire article. I learned that a) Michelle Obama wasn’t pretty in college, either and b) there is no point to the article.


11 posted on 08/04/2009 9:18:28 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: RobinMasters
The Harvard graduate who eventually got her law license and first job at Sidley Austin was working on intellectual property and marketing at the time she met and mentored Obama. What this means is that in her first job out of Harvard Law School, she was assigned to the dead end, do no damage area of intellectual property and marketing. Because she was mentoring Obama, he too must have been assigned the same dead end, do no harm area.

The reason I say intellectual property was a dead end, do no harm role is because the US Patent & Trademark Office requires that persons coming before it must have passed the Patent Bar exam and the only way to take the Patent Bar is to have an approved technical degree. Neither Michelle nor Barack had anything close to a technical degree.

Therefore, neither could have ever developed an expertise in matters of intellectual property law.

12 posted on 08/04/2009 9:19:47 PM PDT by fso301
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To: RobinMasters
Harvard Law School and couldn't pass the bar the first time? Amusing.
13 posted on 08/04/2009 9:26:27 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I thought the 1st wookie was as brilliant as her husband. A Harvard law degree and she fails the Illinois bar the first time? That should tell you something about her intellectual and legal abilities right there.

I went to a non-Ivy law school (actually a good Jesuit institution) and passed the MI bar on the 1st try. The bar exam is 2 months of putting your life on hold.


14 posted on 08/04/2009 9:27:43 PM PDT by Feasor13
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To: Prokopton

Amusing because she took the spot of someone at Harvard Law who would have passed the bar exam on the first try.


15 posted on 08/04/2009 9:29:40 PM PDT by Feasor13
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"You go through grueling law school, take the bar twice, and then only practice for four years? Right."

She's not the first I've seen do that. The grind and pressure for billable hours makes many just want to walk away from it. It can be a lot of work for not a whole lot of money.

16 posted on 08/04/2009 9:30:34 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: RobinMasters
She took the bar exam in Illinois, passing it on her second try...

In 1989, Illinois has a bar pass rate of 80% , and this including all sorts of schools not so august as Harvard Law, where the overall bar passage rate is 96% .

17 posted on 08/04/2009 9:32:12 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: fso301; RobinMasters
The reason I say intellectual property was a dead end, do no harm role is because the US Patent & Trademark Office requires that persons coming before it must have passed the Patent Bar exam and the only way to take the Patent Bar is to have an approved technical degree. Neither Michelle nor Barack had anything close to a technical degree.

General Requirements Bulletin for Admission to the Examination for Registration to Practice in Patent Cases Before the United States Patent and Trademark Office

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/dcom/olia/oed/grb.pdf

With special attention to Section III, pp. 4-9 of this document.

III. SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION TO THE EXAMINATION

An applicant applying for the examination must demonstrate that he or she possesses the scientific and technical training necessary to provide valuable service to patent applicants. Applicants bear the burden of showing the requisite scientific and technical training. To be admitted to the examination, each applicant must demonstrate possession of the required scientific and technical training.

18 posted on 08/04/2009 9:34:26 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: DaGman

Some folks are cut out to be attorneys and others are not. Depends on how much mental punishment you are willing to take. Law school teaches you the subjects and how to pass the bar but even after you graduate you are forced to spend about a grand on a bar review to pass the test. And law school does not teach you how to actually practice law.

I went into prosecution after a year being a scrub at a firm for about a year, and I learned more about being an attorney sending bad guys to prison, committing crazies civilly and terminating the parental rights of bad parents than I ever did in private practice. Now I’m a private attorney again and actually know something about the practice of law and it’s like night and day.


19 posted on 08/04/2009 9:35:54 PM PDT by Feasor13
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To: RobinMasters

Can we stop it with the idiotic conspiracy theories? They make Republicans look bad and will help Obama get re-elected. I’m an attorney. Keeping your license is a pain the ass — you have to take 2 dozen useless classes every two years (”Continuing Legal Education”) and pay a steep fee. So lawyers who stop practicing law let their license lapse. That’s what Michelle Obama did. No story. Move along.


20 posted on 08/04/2009 9:39:36 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: fso301
The reason I say intellectual property was a dead end, do no harm role is because the US Patent & Trademark Office requires that persons coming before it must have passed the Patent Bar exam and the only way to take the Patent Bar is to have an approved technical degree. Neither Michelle nor Barack had anything close to a technical degree.

You are an idiot. Most IP work is trademark, copyright, or transactional. You don't need a technical degree for any of that. You don't even need a technical degree for patent litigation, I've done it myself and I'm an econ guy. You only need a technical degree if you want to do patent prosecution (i.e. register and defend new patents). Very few people in intellectual property groups do that.

Michelle Obama had a prestigious well-paying job at Sidley. There is no story here.

21 posted on 08/04/2009 9:42:49 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I graduated Columbia Law in 2003. Most of the people I know from school have left law. It’s quite common.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 9:44:38 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: adgirl

It was only a couple of years ago that Illinois began the mandatory CLE program. 2006 or 07, I think. I’ve been an inactive Illinois attorney for at least a decade because I live in another state (where I am an active member of the bar). As a result, I pay “only” $105 each year to stay on the Illinois rolls and I am exempt from the CLE requirements.

BTW, I passed the Illinois bar the first time I took it. :)


23 posted on 08/04/2009 9:44:51 PM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: Feasor13
Not unlike my profession....

In college I was groomed to pass the tests, and pass the professional exams.

But that first year of actually "doing it" was an eye opener...for sure.

I actually have saved lives....after I REALLY knew some things...

Night and day....Yeah, that's it!

24 posted on 08/04/2009 9:45:22 PM PDT by Osage Orange (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. - Will Rogers)
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To: RobinMasters
More really old news, all available here on FR. yawnnnnnnnn This was pretty funny though:

According to the New York Times, Michelle was unfulfilled by her law career. She told the newspaper, "I wanted to have a career motivated by passion and not just money."

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25 posted on 08/04/2009 9:54:26 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: fso301

“The reason I say intellectual property was a dead end, do no harm role is because the US Patent & Trademark Office requires that persons coming before it must have passed the Patent Bar exam and the only way to take the Patent Bar is to have an approved technical degree. Neither Michelle nor Barack had anything close to a technical degree.. Therefore, neither could have ever developed an expertise in matters of intellectual property law.”

I practiced intellectual property law for about 25 years without an engineering degree. Believe it or not, in addition to patents, copyrights and trademarks are ordinarily regarded as intellectual property. A whole bunch of money goes down in the economy around copyright and trademark issues so lawyers are up to their ears in them. I also handled a lot of patent litigation in federal court (for which you do not need a technical degree).

About all you can say from these facts is that she was not qualified to practice before the patent commissioner. But that is a small portion of IP law. It may be she was given a dead end job (and marketing certainly suggest that). But that she was in intellectual property w/o a technical degree really doesn’t tell you that.


26 posted on 08/04/2009 10:08:58 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Plutarch

Digging into your links further shows the first time bar pass rate for Illinois was 84% and that Harvard’s bar pass rate averaged 21% higher than state’s averages. Thus placing Michelle’s failure in the negative 5th percentile... According to the kind of statistics her husband cites. Isn’t inactive lawyer in that percentile worth a $300k job?


27 posted on 08/04/2009 10:09:13 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: ChicagoHebrew
You are an idiot.

Well then. If you want to get into insults. You are a fools idea of a fool.

28 posted on 08/04/2009 10:12:21 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ModelBreaker
About all you can say from these facts is that she was not qualified to practice before the patent commissioner. But that is a small portion of IP law. It may be she was given a dead end job (and marketing certainly suggest that). But that she was in intellectual property w/o a technical degree really doesn’t tell you that.

Thanks for pointing that out.

29 posted on 08/04/2009 10:13:33 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Prokopton

A lot of very bright people can’t pass the bar exam on their first try. Yes, even if they go to Harvard Law. I don’t think it says anything about Michelle’s intelligence.

It may seem incredible, but there are many, many lawyers who go through law school and then discover that they actually hate the practice of law as it’s now done. My own lawyer is fiercely opposed to having his kids go to law school—so much so that if they choose to go, he refuses to contribute a penny.

I know quite a few ex-lawyers. Their legal training does them a great deal of good in other fields they might want to go into, and it’s always a great credential to have because it means they’ve learned to think in a particular way, but that doesn’t mean they have to do it forever.


30 posted on 08/04/2009 10:27:21 PM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: ottbmare

I wouldn’t recommend anyone become a lawyer. There are easier ways to make money; there are ways to make more money; and there are nicer folks to be around. Small town practice isn’t bad, but it’s not particularly lucrative.


31 posted on 08/04/2009 10:42:04 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Feasor13

Am I the only one who thinks..the 1st wookie is funny as heck?


32 posted on 08/04/2009 10:42:28 PM PDT by OL Hickory (I AM JIM THOMPSON!!)
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To: RummyChick
"The info should look different if she had quit paying her fee."

I'm not licensed in Illinois, but I am licensed in two other states, and was licensed in a third. In that third state, I presumed that I'd never be in a position to practice there again, but I wasn't positive. So, I elected to be placed in "inactive" status, rather than resign. If I had just quit paying my dues, or if I was facing a disciplinary action short of disbarment, I would have been classified as "not eligible to practice law". I'm assuming that IL has a similar status system.- FWIW.

33 posted on 08/04/2009 10:51:04 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: fso301
You were doing fine right up to:
Therefore, neither could have ever developed an expertise in matters of intellectual property law.
Intellectual property truely is a dead end, on the other hand there is no basis for stating that a non-techie cannot under any circumstances develop into a very competent expert in that realm.

PS: If anyone doubts the dead end statement, check out who gets laid off first or replaced last when money is tight.
PPS: It's virtually a non-issue under any government contract.

34 posted on 08/04/2009 11:02:50 PM PDT by norton
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To: Feasor13

Fascinating post! I considered law at one time, but all things considered, I didn’t think I could hack it.

You mentioned that law school does not actually teach you how to practice law and you didn’t think you had truly learned to practice it until you became a prosecutor. Going by that standard, how many folks (as a percentage) who come out of law school wind up “practicing law?”

Other than throwing yourself into the mix as a prosecutor, as you did, what do think would help law students learn to practice law?

And speaking of the mental punishment, is there anything that lawyers learn or know that would help folks in other walks of life handle stresses and responsibilities better?


35 posted on 08/04/2009 11:30:37 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: OL Hickory

LOL! NO!


36 posted on 08/04/2009 11:35:51 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: norton
You were doing fine right up to:

Thanks. ModelBreaker in post #26 also brought that to my attention.

37 posted on 08/04/2009 11:36:09 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
You go through grueling law school, take the bar twice, and then only practice for four years? Right.

Actually, most attorneys practice less than five years. This is for two key reasons.

1. Burnout.

2. The majority of law students are women. Call it sexist but mommy track does exist. They might return to practice when the kids get older but many never do.

38 posted on 08/05/2009 12:08:34 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Caligula's horse as Senator was smarter than our current Congress)
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To: bergmeid; pissant

You are wrong! Please do your research first before glossing over the words; “COURT ORDERED!”
There is a Court Ethics Borad in Illinois, as well as in other States. An issue against Ms. Obama was coming up in Court and she elected to go before the Board and voluntarily surrender her License which then stopped the further action of the impending Public Trial. The surrender of her License was really “INVOLUNTARY”because it was the ONLY Way for Her to prevent standing Trial in what must be assumed to be a Criminal Proceeding given the Courtit was to be scheduled in. All records are were then sealed and No Further Actions were taken by The Court! This was extremely serious for a Harvard Law Graduate to “Surrender” Her Law License FOREVER after only Five Years of PRACTICE! Again, The Surrender of Her Law License Prevented An IMPENDING CERTAIN COURT TRIAL! Something Ms. Obama clearly wanted to avoid at ALL COSTS!


39 posted on 08/05/2009 12:40:04 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: OL Hickory

I think “Wookie” to describe this affirmative action person is very, very funny.

Still think that the NFL missed a good thing when “Wookie” was not included in this years draft!


40 posted on 08/05/2009 12:44:26 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: sonofstrangelove

Impending Criminal Prosecution in a Public Court Room Trial which was avoided by Surrender of her License to Practice Law FOREVER in Illinois, the only State she was ever Licensd to Practice Law! Please everyone, take the time to do a GOOGLE SEARCH! Its a BIG DEAL! It only happens to Lawyers in very serious cases brought against them!


41 posted on 08/05/2009 12:44:50 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: RummyChick

REMMBER that Bill Clinton fought hard and spent a fortune to prevent the suspension of His Law License and was given a FIVE YEAR SUSPENSION for HIS PERJURY CONVICTION! Lawyers do NOT voluntarily give up their License Five Years into their Careers! But in this case, its even more clear! Michelle Obama was Forced to Surrender Hers for Life or proceed with the Public Trial, something She obviously chose to AVOID “AT THE SUPREME COST OF LOOSING HER LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW AGAIN!” No One must be allowed to Gloss that over!


42 posted on 08/05/2009 12:52:49 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Feasor13

You don’t get much more well known than John F. Kennedy, Jr. According to CNN, it took him three tries to pass the bar. Congratulations on passing it the 1st time.


43 posted on 08/05/2009 12:58:17 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: fso301

Thank you for this significant post on her placement ib a totally Deadend Alley for Her given Law Career Development!
Then what is apparent, that even having been placed in a Do No Harm Position, Michelle “MAABELLE” OBAMA succeeded in getting the Illinois Criminal Court System to come after her in such a way that she “VOLUNTEERED TO SURRENDER HER LAW LICENSE” and suffer the resultant Financial Loss and Professional Humiliation in order to prevent having to defend Herself in a Public Trial and possibly clearing Her Name and Saving Her Chosen Careeer!! To anyone else, this would have been certain professional Ruination, but obviosly not for the Obama’s.


44 posted on 08/05/2009 1:04:55 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Feasor13

And been able to Keep Their License rather than Loosing it ays alot about the Character inhabiting The White House today!And then WHY DID OBOZO SURRENDER OR ALLOW HIS LICENSE TO LAPSE?? Was it something related? or was it that he swore on his application that he never used any other name (ALIAS) on his License Application than Barack Hussein Obama? He swore he had never, but we all know that for years, he was Barry Soetoro!


45 posted on 08/05/2009 1:12:14 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

I will look into it.


46 posted on 08/05/2009 1:17:28 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I don't mind being called tough, because in this racket it's tough guys who lead the survivors.)
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To: DaGman

Again, this was not the case, she was foced to surrender or face an impending a.d certain Public Trial! She was Forced to Surrender her License “Voluntarily!” There is a wealth of Information on the Internet on this case and the writer obviously missed alot of the serious information on the situation.The major point is that the Infraction she was accused of was obviously so serious that she chose NOT to stand Trial and attempt to prove that she was Innocent:-)


47 posted on 08/05/2009 1:21:30 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Plutarch

Affirmative Action at Work in the Highest Levels of Chicago Politics and Cultural Circles??
Gosh! Harvard is a 96% Pass Rate and One of it’s Alleged Most brilliant Graduates Flunk The Bar! So that person must have beeen in the bottom 4% of Her HARVARD CLASSMATES, tsk,tsk! How could that be?


48 posted on 08/05/2009 1:26:04 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: bergmeid

That was my first thought, but why “court ordered”?


49 posted on 08/05/2009 1:56:18 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Wasn’t that simple.

Someone I know says that her file at ARDC has a number on it that references to Insurance Fraud.


50 posted on 08/05/2009 3:14:41 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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