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Obama's dissident database could be secret -- and permanent
The Washington Examiner ^ | 08/06/09 | Byron York

Posted on 08/06/2009 6:06:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

The White House request that members of the public report anyone who is spreading "disinformation" about the proposed national health care makeover could lead to a White House database of political opponents that will be both secret and permanent, according to Republican lawyers on the Senate Judiciary Committee who are examining the plan's possible implementation.

On Monday, White House director of new media Macon Phillips posted a note on the White House web site complaining of "disinformation about health insurance reform." "These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation," Phillips wrote. "Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

In a letter to Obama Tuesday, Republican Sen. John Cornyn wrote that, given Phillips' request, "it is inevitable that the names, email address, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported to the White House." Cornyn warned the president that "these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection program."

"I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House," Cornyn continued. "I urge you to cease this program immediately."

Senate Judiciary Committee lawyers studying the proposal say that although there is no absolutely settled law on the matter, the White House plan is likely not covered by the Privacy Act, which prohibits government agencies from keeping any records "describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained." Therefore, it appears the White House can legally keep records of the emails and other communications it receives in response to Phillips' request.

Those lawyers also point out that the White House is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which means it would not have to release any information on the plan to members of the public who make a request.

In addition, the lawyers say the collected emails likely will be covered by the Presidential Records Act, which requires the White House to preserve and maintain its records for permanent storage in a government database. Phillips' request suggests that whatever information the White House receives on health-care reform "disinformation" will be used to further the goal of passing a national health-care makeover, which is, of course, one of the president's main policy initiatives. Such material, and whatever the White House does with it, would qualify as presidential records. Only after more than a decade would such records be publicly available.

"So the White House, whether by design or accident, has requested information from the public that will become 'records' under the Presidential Records Act, yet would be impermissible for any government to otherwise collect under the Privacy Act," writes one Judiciary Committee source. "Where were the lawyers in all of this? What is their legal basis for authorizing the collection of these records?"

Linda Douglass, head of communications for the White House Office of Health Reform, says the White House is "not compiling lists or sources of information" on opponents of health care reform. But if "fishy" information is indeed collected, as Phillips' request suggested, the laws involved mean that the information obtained by the White House could not only be secret but permanent. A dissident database, in whatever precise form it ultimately takes, could be around for a long time to come.


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THE BLOG POST IS STILL UP!

Take note of

flag@whitehouse.gov

You can use this handy e-mail address to arrange for them to be sent free information on vinyl siding, lawn furniture, low-carb dessert recipes, and a topical gel which is guaranteed to enhance their bosoms.

1 posted on 08/06/2009 6:06:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“According to 5 U.S.C. § 552a, United States agencies, including the Executive Office of the President shall, “maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.”
2 posted on 08/06/2009 6:09:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

excellent!


3 posted on 08/06/2009 6:10:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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bookmark


4 posted on 08/06/2009 6:10:40 AM PDT by federal
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m sure they have a spam filter.


5 posted on 08/06/2009 6:11:16 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Well I see one thing 0bama has in common with Nixon, putting together a list of enemies, now I want to see him fulfill another special 'Nixon moment':
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6 posted on 08/06/2009 6:11:36 AM PDT by mkjessup (Hey Comrade 0bama? No documentation = No eligibility, ok? Now GTF out of OUR White House!!!)
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To: CodeToad
The alleged president oversees a criminal organization.
7 posted on 08/06/2009 6:13:02 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Linda Douglass, head of communications for the White House Office of Health Reform, says the White House is "not compiling lists or sources of information" on opponents of health care reform.

This woman has proved this week, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that she is dishonest. So be warned. If she says they're not compiling lists, they are compiling lists.

8 posted on 08/06/2009 6:13:29 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And of course no one would ever use this new WH “service” to get back at former spouses or settle neighborhood or workplace disputes.

/s


9 posted on 08/06/2009 6:14:27 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Of course, if one just happened to report a member of ACORN, that would be a terrible injustice. /s


10 posted on 08/06/2009 6:14:29 AM PDT by LOC1
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m reporting dead irish poets :)


11 posted on 08/06/2009 6:14:45 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: mkjessup

Dick Nixon’s words: “I am not a crook”


12 posted on 08/06/2009 6:16:15 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The obamedia doesn’t seem to think this rises to the level of checking library usage. That was an infringement on people’s Rights, this is due diligence.

Pray for America


13 posted on 08/06/2009 6:17:40 AM PDT by bray (The messiah has no robe)
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To: CodeToad
Let me know how enforcing that actually works out.
14 posted on 08/06/2009 6:18:30 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I am not a mob

Speak up America, while you still can.

Go ahead report me to flag@whitehouse.gov

15 posted on 08/06/2009 6:18:56 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: cbkaty; Avocado; Army Air Corps; RebelTXRose; MIchaelTArchangel; spectre; ...

Ping-a-ling.

And while you’re at it, those Toll-free Capitol switchboard numbers are:

800-828-0498

877-762-8762


16 posted on 08/06/2009 6:18:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He who laughs last, thinks slowest.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And can we use the Freedom of Information Act and sue to force them to release their enemies list?
17 posted on 08/06/2009 6:19:22 AM PDT by nomad
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To: CodeToad

the MOST corrupt administration EVER could hardly
care about 5 USC 552. they have already torn up the
Constitution.


18 posted on 08/06/2009 6:20:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: mware
One of Rockwell's best in my opinion. Obama would have people like this guy arrested.
19 posted on 08/06/2009 6:21:46 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: CodeToad

The article talks about 5,552a (Privacy Act) - says it likely does not apply despite Red State’s addition of “including the Executive Office of the President” to the quote.


20 posted on 08/06/2009 6:23:22 AM PDT by franklog
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To: nomad

The article specifically says the White House is not subject to the FOIA.


21 posted on 08/06/2009 6:24:38 AM PDT by franklog
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To: CodeToad

At what point does the military-man’s oath both allow and compel him to consider the leaders of the state to be domestic enemies?

At what point, if any, will the people cause the Dissent of the Governed to replace the Consent of the Governed?


22 posted on 08/06/2009 6:26:38 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: franklog
But aren`t all communications of the White house considered public record?Isn`t that what the rats have been crying about the communications of the Bush administration?Turn about is fair play.
23 posted on 08/06/2009 6:28:20 AM PDT by nomad
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Out of nowhere, I started receiving e-mails from the White House. There are only two way they could have gotten my e-mail address:

1) They bought a list from someone.
2) They intercepted it through my e-mail correspondence with my congress critters.


24 posted on 08/06/2009 6:29:28 AM PDT by IamConservative (I'll keep my money. You keep the change.)
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To: nomad

Apparently not THIS President.

Turnabout is indeed fair play. It just has no legal standing.


25 posted on 08/06/2009 6:30:33 AM PDT by franklog
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To: mkjessup

Nixon’s enemies were his political opponents, Husseain’s enemies are everyone who does not agree with him.


26 posted on 08/06/2009 6:32:00 AM PDT by PIF
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

I wouldn’t count on that. Most of the universities don’t even have protection from virus attacks.

Hasn’t Obama done enough treasonous things to be impeached?


27 posted on 08/06/2009 6:32:48 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: IamConservative

That is disturbing.


28 posted on 08/06/2009 6:33:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (How many of you believe in psychokinesis? Raise my hand.)
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To: IamConservative

or contacted your IP, obtained a list with your name on it, cross referenced it, came up with some names (one being yours), and spamed you.


29 posted on 08/06/2009 6:36:15 AM PDT by PIF
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To: Munz; bethybabes69

PING!


30 posted on 08/06/2009 6:37:42 AM PDT by Larousse2 ("Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preserva)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT
"I’m reporting dead irish poets :)"

Please don't dime out WB Yeats. He's one of my favorites...

31 posted on 08/06/2009 6:40:04 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Hillary now makes some sense but is off by exactly one administration.
32 posted on 08/06/2009 6:45:54 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Wait until some other thing comes along and the WH asks for people to report miscreants. Now they will have two lists. Expand as necessary.

Database listing:
Name: Joe for FR
Party Affiliation: not democrat
IP number: 200.35.147.171
Number of blogs: 4
Blog(s) anti-Obama %: 100
Number of lists name appears on: 6
Action: Pending Removal

Actions to be impliments as soon as the light blueshirted Civilian National Security Corp is up to strength - then certain people will begin to disappear.


33 posted on 08/06/2009 6:46:16 AM PDT by PIF
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To: OneWingedShark
At what point does the military-man’s oath both allow and compel him to consider the leaders of the state to be domestic enemies?

We've been there for a while now. The destruction that this Marxist meat puppet and his minders have wreaked on the American Republic is nothing less than an act of war.

In a better world, they would all swing from gallows lining he Capitol Mall.

34 posted on 08/06/2009 6:46:39 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTTT


35 posted on 08/06/2009 6:47:34 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

The spam filter can’t determine whether an email from a private citizen is a legitimate “report” or a bogus one (reporting 0bamites that you know).

Send away. There are millions of us, and we can send a few dozen per day to make their database worthless.


36 posted on 08/06/2009 6:49:18 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: bray
Checking library records goes back at least to the 90's.

Rent the movie "Se7en" and pay particular attention to the scene where Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman are in the library.

By the way, this movie was issued in 1995.

37 posted on 08/06/2009 6:54:56 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: brytlea; Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; unkus; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; ..

Brown shirt ping


38 posted on 08/06/2009 6:55:46 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Malkin: Obama administration, "Hope and Change wrapped in brass knuckles")
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To: OneWingedShark

“At what point does the military-man’s oath both allow and compel him to consider the leaders of the state to be domestic enemies?”

A non-tested point, of course. I always thought “domestic enemies” would be revolutionaries against the US. I never thought it would be the actual government elected officials.


40 posted on 08/06/2009 6:57:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: bamahead; Eric Blair 2084; nw_arizona_granny; appleseed; Arthur Wildfire! March

ping


41 posted on 08/06/2009 7:00:50 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: greyfoxx39

This beyond belief..

What happened to the 1st Amendment ???


42 posted on 08/06/2009 7:02:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Noumenon
What a Nazi, just like Blair and Brown.

Everything in the modern 'Political' [I use that term to describe these people very loosely indeed} World is completely 180 degrees from what it claims to be!

It was certainly a good strategy for the sheeple & naive while it lasted, but shows them up exactly for what they are now, just a bunch of corrupt liars with a hidden agenda.
43 posted on 08/06/2009 7:02:38 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

44 posted on 08/06/2009 7:09:03 AM PDT by scoobysnak71 (Just a National Security Threat, trying to get a nut.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
What happened to the 1st Amendment ???

da king

45 posted on 08/06/2009 7:09:58 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Malkin: Obama administration, "Hope and Change wrapped in brass knuckles")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Intimidation is an act of cowardice. Obama can't face the public so he tries to intimidate people into silence.

I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!

46 posted on 08/06/2009 7:11:13 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: metmom; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
...the White House is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which means it would not have to release any information on the plan to members of the public who make a request...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
(View past Libertarian pings here)
47 posted on 08/06/2009 7:11:53 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
I’m sure they have a spam filter.

It had better be robust!

48 posted on 08/06/2009 7:12:24 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Obama, king of the world, the pretender king to the throne of America..


49 posted on 08/06/2009 7:12:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: FreeStateYank; magisterium; digital-olive

late ping for new members.


50 posted on 08/06/2009 7:14:02 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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