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Women arenít equal to men - especially not the feminists
Times of London ^ | August 9, 2009 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/08/2009 4:39:06 PM PDT by GOPGuide

Men and women really are different. The findings of hard science – in endocrinology, brain structure and function and genetics, for instance – have forced rational feminists to admit that, statistically speaking, men and women have different aptitudes, interests and responses, little though this is yet understood. Such generalisations never apply to an individual, of course, and although – for instance – women are underrepresented at the extremes of intelligence and statistically are less good at higher maths, chess, musical composition and physics, any one woman might be brilliant.

Similarly, while women tend in general to be less aggressive and more conciliatory, there are plenty of ferocious females and Wodehouse aunts, and plenty of men who are shrinking violets – with obvious implications for their working lives.

The point here, and it’s another centrally important fact, which feminists either don’t know or refuse to admit, is that you would not therefore necessarily expect men and women to be equally represented in any particular occupation. The fact that just two out of 25 top maths dons or bond traders or gangmasters are men, say, is not self-evidently due to discrimination against women mathematicians, bond traders or gangers (although it may be). And this underlies an obvious killer fact for the politics of equality: equality of opportunity is not the same thing as equality of outcome.

It is a dangerous mistake doggedly to pursue equality of outcome and equal numbers of men and women in everything. The entire basis of the gender equality movement, equality by numbers, stems from an unquestioned and wrong assumption, taken as fact in defiance of the actual truth.

The tragedy of feminism is that it has been dogged, or perhaps I should say bitched, by a lot of fixed ideas and unquestioned beliefs.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: feminism; men; sexdifferences; women
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To: TCats

Also equal in God’s eyes. Which is of course the basis for equality under the Law, at least historically.


21 posted on 08/08/2009 5:07:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: SkyDancer

“Ummm - last I checked we’re in America where we speak American type English ...”

And last *I* checked, the article was published by the Times of London (that’s in England, in case your feminist geography book says otherwise), which quite correctly uses UK English.


22 posted on 08/08/2009 5:07:30 PM PDT by sthguard (Pres__ent Obama: He's All Ego.)
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To: sthguard

Ok and your point is?


23 posted on 08/08/2009 5:08:14 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

The article is from the Times of London.

Should it have been translated to protect you from viewing alternate usage?


24 posted on 08/08/2009 5:08:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Bobalu
Off topic, but that reminded me of this cartoon, which I love:


25 posted on 08/08/2009 5:09:22 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: BamaBlue

Except, sad to say, that is why socialism is taking over.


26 posted on 08/08/2009 5:09:24 PM PDT by donna (Watch out! If they can print money they can print a birth certificate for Obama.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Not really - the sentence structure is wrong even for UK English ....


27 posted on 08/08/2009 5:09:36 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Bookwoman

And, in many ways, men are superior to women.

Somewhat like breeds of dogs, some tend to be quite territorial, like a sheep-dog, some tend to be very friendly with everyone (like many “family-dogs”), and some are inclined to be vicious (like guard-dogs)... basically, it all depends on what you want, what you’re testing for that allows you to say whether one or another is superior.


28 posted on 08/08/2009 5:10:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GOPGuide
"Such generalisations never apply to an individual, of course... any one woman might be brilliant.

Similarly, while women tend in general to be less aggressive and more conciliatory, there are plenty of ferocious females and Wodehouse aunts, and plenty of men who are shrinking violets – with obvious implications for their working lives.

I thought it would be worth reemphasizing these lines from the article before everyone starts trying to contradict it with anecdotal evidence.

29 posted on 08/08/2009 5:10:55 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Sherman Logan
True. The use of ‘Difference’ to divide and denigrate people, regardless of sex, is a source of much angst in this life.

The irony is that is just this ‘Difference’ that makes for all of the raison d’etre. A World without these differences is one populated by robots or clones.

IMO only malcontents use these differences to divide.

30 posted on 08/08/2009 5:11:13 PM PDT by TCats
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To: JillValentine

Yup, that is funny :-)

Could be redone to poke fun at Obama’s economic plan.


31 posted on 08/08/2009 5:11:26 PM PDT by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Sherman Logan
ps - here is the point: "are less good" ... if you can't see it then .....
32 posted on 08/08/2009 5:11:36 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

Ah, feminist logic— gotta love it.

My point is that you were wrong to claim that the article made a grammar mistake.


33 posted on 08/08/2009 5:12:14 PM PDT by sthguard (Pres__ent Obama: He's All Ego.)
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To: sthguard

Think about it ... “less good” ....


34 posted on 08/08/2009 5:13:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sthguard

ps - think about “way good” or “these ones” ....


35 posted on 08/08/2009 5:14:21 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: donna
Our ancestors were hunter/gatherers. Men had to chase down food, and women had to look for berries and roots etc..Thats why women still love looking for berries and roots, but they do it at the local supermarket...A man picks up a watermelon and puts it in his basket. The woman on the other hand looks them over, thumps them with their knuckles and check out the color...same thing in a clothing store, use to drive my husband nuts and finally one day he said "Do you have to touch everything in the store?" to which I replied "Yep"...

Upper body strength doesn't help in childbirth either. A man sees the charging elephant and the woman looks down for snakes and spiders...

Everyone except the feminists and newpaper reporters know we are not equal but complimentary..

36 posted on 08/08/2009 5:14:41 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: SkyDancer

The structure seems a little non-standard to me. I would have worded it differently.

British English often allows slightly different sentence structure as well as different wording. I’d want a review from a well-educated Brit before agreeing her grammar was improper.


37 posted on 08/08/2009 5:15:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

Ok, sounds reasonable to me ....


38 posted on 08/08/2009 5:16:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: timm22
No need. I always read the article before posting. The author deserves credit for including those lines. My problem is with people (often FReepers) who make generalizations about the sexes without saying anything about individualism.

My comment was simply to make the point that (conservative) feminists can have a sense of humor - and even (gasp) use self-depreciating humor.

39 posted on 08/08/2009 5:17:19 PM PDT by JillValentine (Drinking Kool-Aid leads to PDS.)
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To: SkyDancer
***I’m 5’7 and weight 120 ***

I'm 5'6 and weigh a lot more than that...I hate you (said with a smile on my face) :O(

40 posted on 08/08/2009 5:17:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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