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HB Health Care 3200 IN MORE READABLE FORM. Line Items which spell the doom of Grandparents
web ^ | July 14, 2009 | House of Representatives

Posted on 08/11/2009 1:24:56 PM PDT by bareford101

Page 29:4-16 - Your Health Care is RATIONED. (A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph (B). APPLICABLE LEVEL.—applicable level specified in this subparagraph is $5,000 per individual and $10,000 per.

Page 30 Sec 123 - There will be a Government COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 42 - Health Choices Commissioner will choose your Health Care Benefits for you. (no choice.)

Page 268 Sec 1141 - Gov regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 Sec. 1145 – Treatment at certain CANCER HOSPITALS;(rationing for cancer patients.)

Page 102 lines12-18 - Medicaid Eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)

Page 239 lines 14-24 - Gov will REDUCE physician services for Medicaid. (Seniors, low income, and poor will be affected.)

Page 268 Sec 1141 - Government regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMO s, etc. (thus forcing people into Government plan.)

Page 425 Lines 4-12 - Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consults. (Think Senior Citizens end of life.)

Page 425 Lines 17-19 - Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. (Mandatory!)

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 - Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

Page 427 Lines 15-24 - Government mandates program for orders for end of life. (The Government has a say in how your life ends.)

Page 429 Lines 1-9 - An "Advanced Care Planning Consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12 - "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. (AN ORDER from Government!)

Page 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; crime; health; hr3200; killgranny; obamacare; ration
1 posted on 08/11/2009 1:24:56 PM PDT by bareford101
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To: bareford101

and these are just the highlights? /s

2 posted on 08/11/2009 1:28:44 PM PDT by ninergold3 ("Has it ever occurred to you that nothing occurs to God?" -Mark Lowry)
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To: ninergold3

I didn’t include the ones which will dumb down our doctors, not counting the billions that are targeted for minorities who want to be doctors.

Page 195 - Officers & employees of Health Care Administration (Government) will have access to ALL American’s finance/personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 Health Care - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax”. Yes, it says that.

Page 239 Line 14-24 - Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, and poor will be affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 - All doctors will be paid the same regardless of their specialty.

Page 253 Line 10-18 - Government sets value of doctors time, professional judgment, etc; literally the value of humans.

Page 265 Section 1131 - Government mandates and controls productivity for private Health Care industries.

3 posted on 08/11/2009 1:31:43 PM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: bareford101

All these years the radical left has been waiting for this opportunity - to use “healthcare” as an excuse to take over 11% of the US economy, to force all to pay for abortions and euthanasia, and to transfer money from those who work and produce to those who neither work nor produce, but vote democrat.

4 posted on 08/11/2009 1:31:54 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: bareford101

I got this email the other day and wondered if others also got one. It appears to be a parody of the Axelrod/White House letter encouraging the Democrats to get out and support Obamacare.

Dear Friend,

If you’ve been watching the ongoing Health Care circus in Washington, you know that the government Health Care Takeover is a hot topic. The clever NEWSPEAK term now being employed by the Obama/Pelosi/Reid Axis of Evil is “Health Insurance REFORM”— and it’s a LIE. The rumors of death counseling provisions, the plan to ration (read that “DENY”) treatment to the elderly within the proposed over 1,000 page Democrat monstrosity of a bill have only increased as more people come to understand that it is ALL TRUE. Given the dissembling by the elitist/statist Democrats – who have EXEMPTED THEMSELVES from their own legislation – as they routinely do — it’s time to make sure everyone knows the facts about the insecurity and instability to be foisted upon us proles should this thing pass. The politicians will NOT have to stand in those long lines awaiting the rest of us as we hope to get to the front before expiring. THEY will have the finest, most timely medical care OUR money can buy them.

That’s why we’ve launched a new online resource — to help you separate fact from fiction and share the truth about the pending government Health Care Takeover. Here are a few of the reality check videos you can find on the site:

· The ever-cheery CEA Chair Christina Romer describes how this plan will put many small businesses in the crapper.

· Domestic Policy Council Director, the delightful Harmony Himmelman tackles the subject of euthanasia and clearly describes how reform helps families get rid of that troublesome old man or woman how holding down a chair in the family room and must be served meals as he/she doesn’t walk all that well now.

· Chuck “Draft Dodger” Schluter, the White House’s Director of Veterans and Wounded Warrior Policy, clears the air about Veterans Benefits, with emphasis on the new “Vets can provide their OWN health insurance” portion of the plan.

· Jack Kevorkian, M.D., a doctor serving in the White House’s Office of Public Engagement and Disinformation, explains that health care rationing is happening right among the millions of welfare people and illegals now and how reform gives control back to the Democrat political hacks now trying – with a bow (butt not too low) to Barney Frank – to Rahm this down your throats

· Bill “The Budget Buster” Goebbels, M.D., a doctor serving on the National Economic Council, explains how the government Health Care Takeover will be financed by cutting Medicare, Defense, Social Security and several other programs now considered to be unnecessary or too costly by the administration. Dr. Goebbels has just completed a thorough 20 minute audit of the recent stimulus packages and the Cash for Clunkers programs and pronounced them all sound and efficiently run.

There’s more information and a number of online tools you can use to spread the truth among your family, friends and other social networks. Got to the website and see for yourself. Be sure to have an air sickness bag handy before logging on.

The website is at

We knew going into this effort that accomplishing a comprehensive government Health Care Takeover wasn’t going to be easy. Achieving real change never is. The entrenched interests that benefit from stupid and antiquated concepts like patient choice, freedom and the rule of law (the Constitution) use their influence in Washington to try and keep things just as they are.

But don’t be misled. We know the America you knew as a child is no more and it is time to put aside childish things. If we do nothing, millions of older Americans – you know, like those worn out old geezers who landed on or parachuted into Normandy or froze in Korea — will survive what would or should be life ending illnesses and we extra smart folks here in Washington will run out of the funds needed for welfare payments to and health care for those who refuse to work – even if they COULD find work outside government now—and those here illegally. As they vote largely Democrat, we simply couldn’t allow them to go without. As we here in Washington are the only ones with the power to print money, we are the only ones with enough of the stuff to pay for all of this. (Of course, the end-of-life section of the program will cause those costs to shrink as the plan kicks in. The soon-to-be-proposed Soylent Green program will actually provide a revenue stream into the plan. It could become a virtual perpetual motion machine!)

Inflation? Not to worry. Your kids and grandkids can worry about that. (On that topic, when you do decide to pull your own plug, we suggest cremation and scattering as there is a distinct probability that those kids and grandkids would otherwise dig you up and drag your remains around behind one of those “green” cars – if they can find someone with enough dough to buy one.)

That’s the reality.

Americans deserve better. You deserve a health care system that works as well for you as it does for us and the millions of government employees. Well, maybe not THAT good. One that won’t deny you coverage when you need it most (with rationing, there won’t be those disturbing letters denying coverage as you will not be home to get them: You’ll be standing in that line we mentioned earlier or will have died). And there won’t be those crippling out-of-pocket co-pays. I mean, why bother. With the taxes we’ll need to pay for those illegal and welfare Democrats, the pockets of those few of you who survive will be empty anyway. Government Health Care Takeover means the insecurity and instability you deserve. Think of it as chickens – actually buzzards – coming home to roost for voting for us in November.

And speaking of elections, be sure to get out to the polls in 2010 and 12 to vote that straight D ticket. As usual, free busses will be available all election day at all overpasses, welfare housing projects and other sites where illegals/urban outdoorsmen gather. Don’t forget to ask the ACORN folks for that coupon for your pint of wine or 6 pack of Colt 45.

President Barack Obama promised he’d bring change. And if you have any change left, send it to Timmy Turbotax, c/o The U.S. Treasury. Timmy took a beating on selling his house and could use some help. Barack promised to fix our broken, pathetic and miserable lives. You can help deliver that. Visit the site and leave a message as we enjoy a good joke as we all need a good laugh from time to time.

Thank you,

Special First Member of the New White House Politbureau and Czar in charge of Health Care Takeover Propaganda

5 posted on 08/11/2009 1:32:43 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: ninergold3

6 posted on 08/11/2009 1:33:58 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: bareford101

For any baby boomer or older citizend who refuses to see the true intent of Obamacare to accelerate the elderly’s demise so that health costs may be “managed”, my advice for them is to sign up for Obamacare the first day after it passes, for it is certain that they are too stupid to live any longer and it’s their duty to help Obama “manage” healthcare costs. - OB1 (baby boomer)

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To: ninergold3

I looked at page 29. I think that is talking about the sharing of costs for the plan..not the benefits you receive.

8 posted on 08/11/2009 1:42:59 PM PDT by RummyChick ("Free always the deadliest enemy of tyranny" Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black)
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To: bareford101

But didn’t you hear the messiah? None of this is true! And he won’t sign a bill loaded with earmarks, either. Except the stimulus package but after that you can trust him.

9 posted on 08/11/2009 1:49:27 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( I hate all politicians. Including republicans.)
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To: Terry Mross

:) do you know what a serial liar is? obamanation

10 posted on 08/11/2009 1:51:53 PM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: RummyChick
That is the catastrophic cap. I wouldn't be too jazzed about having a family cap of $10,000. That is way more than my current cap.

That cap will also go up every year with the consumer price index. I thought reform was supposed to make health care cheaper.

11 posted on 08/11/2009 1:59:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: bareford101
There will be a Government COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

sounds like the people who run my HMO
12 posted on 08/11/2009 2:15:10 PM PDT by houston1
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To: USNBandit

Thanks...I was pretty sure it was a cap on costs...NOT how much you could receive in benefits. This is making the rounds as in you only get 10,000 worth of benefits a year....when that is not what that section is about.

13 posted on 08/11/2009 2:23:06 PM PDT by RummyChick ("Free always the deadliest enemy of tyranny" Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black)
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To: bareford101
Page 241 Line 6-8 - All doctors will be paid the same regardless of their specialty.

bye bye to specialties that have high malpractice insurance premiums

14 posted on 08/11/2009 2:34:09 PM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: buschbaby

self ping for later. Thanks for info.

15 posted on 08/11/2009 2:39:32 PM PDT by buschbaby (I am the mob.)
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To: ninergold3

for later

16 posted on 08/11/2009 2:46:59 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: houston1

Except that under the current situation you can chose to go to a doctor of your choice and negotiate payents for treatment if your HMO decides against you. Under this bill you do not have that choice

17 posted on 08/11/2009 2:52:37 PM PDT by the long march
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