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First Part of Universal Obamacare has been Passed in the Stimulus Package!
WJR am radio ^ | 8/12/09

Posted on 08/12/2009 4:42:34 PM PDT by FrdmLvr

August 12) - Frank speaks with Dr. Dave Janda, practicing orthopedic surgeon and a world-recognized expert on prevention, health care cost containment, and health care reform, who offers some insight regarding Obamacare. More info: www.noinjury.com.

Dr. Janda appeared on the Frank Beckman show this morning on WJR AM, Detroit and he explains how the first part of the healthcare bill has been passed in THE STIMULUS PACKAGE! It can be found in SECTION 9201 of the Stimulus bill. It sets up a 15 member Comparataive Effectiveness Board, modeled after the UK's "NICE" board. Obama has appointed the members of this board and one of the members is DR. EZEKIEL IMMANUEL.

Download this podcast from Frank Beckman's interview with Dr. Janda on WJR's website.

(Excerpt) Read more at wjr.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhofascism; bhohealthcare; bhostimulus; bhotyranny; democrats; ezekielimmanuel; healthcare; healthcontrol; obama; obamacare; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 08/12/2009 4:42:36 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: FrdmLvr
So the Stimuli Bill is a ‘jobs’ bill after all. (Only slight sarcasm) Are these positions life time or until these holders reach their government use fullness.
2 posted on 08/12/2009 4:48:57 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: FrdmLvr

The “Stimulus” Act ends with Section 7002. This could be bogus.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1enr.pdf


3 posted on 08/12/2009 4:49:46 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Can someone please answer this? Isn’t it possible to repeal part of a law such as this? Sounds like a good campaign ad to me for republican challengers...


4 posted on 08/12/2009 4:50:06 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: FrdmLvr

This is the basis of the “unemotional” model that will be used by govt healthcare managers to decide who lives and who dies.

A 99 yr old lady with lots of spunk and life .... not as useful to the collective as someone else who needs the bed.
Buh Bye.

Dr Death Zeke Emmanuel http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/06/electing-god/


5 posted on 08/12/2009 4:51:38 PM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: Just mythoughts
So the Stimuli Bill is a ‘jobs’ bill after all. (Only slight sarcasm)

Yeah, but who knew that "shovel-ready" meant grave-diggers?

-PJ

6 posted on 08/12/2009 4:52:13 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: FrdmLvr

Definately Barry and company have pre-planned for shoving this garbage healthcare down our collective throats.

I seriously smell the Dems using the nuclear option to ramrod legislation.


7 posted on 08/12/2009 4:57:41 PM PDT by cranked
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To: FrdmLvr

Wonder what took so long for someone to connect the dots?

No wonder Obama and the dems want to rush everything! All of their legislation is like a terrorist plot to destroy capitalism and freedom!


8 posted on 08/12/2009 4:58:25 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: FrdmLvr
none-dare-call-it-fascism alert.

So what's your next move, America?

9 posted on 08/12/2009 4:59:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (STOP OBAMA NOW.)
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To: penelopesire
All of their legislation is like a terrorist plot to destroy capitalism and freedom!

To destroy the human person, the individual, is more to the point.

10 posted on 08/12/2009 5:00:02 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (STOP OBAMA NOW.)
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To: FrdmLvr

I listened to this broadcast, then did a search.

I think this article from the NYT is talking about this very thing.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/health/policy/16health.html?_r=1


11 posted on 08/12/2009 5:04:36 PM PDT by bareford101 (What Obama is doing to America is REVERSE-TREASON)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You’re right about that section being too high. I may have jotted the number down wrong. I am currently listening to Dr. Janda on a telephone townhall with my congressman, Thad McCotter and when the doctor mentioned it, and I scrambled for a pen to write with, so I may have gotten the number wrong. I’ll listen to the pod cast and go to Dr. Janda’s website for further clarification.

noinjury.com


12 posted on 08/12/2009 5:05:12 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: FrdmLvr

bfl


13 posted on 08/12/2009 5:06:50 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: FrdmLvr
Page 63: Modernization Act of 2003, $700,000,000 for comparative effectiveness research: Provided, That of the amount appropriated in this paragraph,$400,000,000 shall be transferred to the Office of the Director of the National Institutes of Health (‘‘Office of the Director’’) to conduct or support comparative effectiveness research under section 301 and title IV of the Public Health Service Act: Provided further, That funds transferred to the Office of the Director may be transferred to the Institutes and Centers of the National Institutes of Health and to the Common Fund established under section 402A(c)(1) of the Public Health Service Act: Provided further, That this transfer authority is in addition to any other transfer authority available to the National Institutes of Health: Provided further, That within the amount available in this paragraph for the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, not more than 1 percent shall be made available for additional full-time equivalents.

In addition, $400,000,000 shall be available for comparative effectiveness research to be allocated at the discretion of the Secretary of Health and Human Services (‘‘Secretary’’): Provided, That the funding appropriated in this paragraph shall be used to accelerate the development and dissemination of research assessing the comparative effectiveness of health care treatments and strategies, through efforts that: (1) conduct, support, or synthesize research that compares the clinical outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of items, services, and procedures that are used to prevent, diagnose, or treat diseases, disorders, and other health conditions; and (2) encourage the development and use of clinical registries, clinical data networks, and other forms of electronic health data that can be used to generate or obtain outcomes data:

Provided further, That the Secretary shall enter into a contract with the Institute of Medicine, for which no more than $1,500,000 shall be made available from funds provided in this paragraph, to produce and submit a report to the Congress and the Secretary by not later than June 30, 2009, that includes recommendations on the national priorities for comparative effectiveness research to be conducted or supported with the funds provided in this paragraph and that considers input from stakeholders:

14 posted on 08/12/2009 5:07:35 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: FrdmLvr

A pox on them and those who voted them in.


15 posted on 08/12/2009 5:11:10 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

See P131

SEC. 13202. RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. (a) HEALTH CARE INFORMATION ENTERPRISE INTEGRATION RESEARCH CENTERS.— (1) IN GENERAL

http://readthestimulus.org/index.php?doc=hr1final&page=131

My eyes can’t take this - too old - maybe you yonger guys can look closer here.

One of the House Bill versions on p151 did have the reference in question, but maybe you guys can find it in the Final Version.


16 posted on 08/12/2009 5:14:17 PM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF
pg 154

MEMBERSHIP.— (1) NUMBER AND APPOINTMENT.—The Council shall be composed of not more than 15 members, all of whom are senior Federal officers or employees with responsibility for health-related programs, appointed by the President, acting through the Secretary of Health and Human Services

Search "Comparative Effectiveness"

17 posted on 08/12/2009 5:26:02 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: FrdmLvr

Thanks. This is VERY interesting if true.


18 posted on 08/12/2009 5:30:09 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: FrdmLvr

I remember hearing something about this at the time.


19 posted on 08/12/2009 5:31:53 PM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hate to say it but he’s right...look at Title IX of the Appropriations portion of the bill.

SEC. 9201. FEDERAL COORDINATING COUNCIL FOR COM8
PARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH.
9 (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is hereby established a
10 Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effective
11 ness Research (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Coun
12 cil’’).
13 (b) PURPOSE; DUTIES.—The Council shall—
14 (1) assist the offices and agencies of the Fed
15 eral Government, including the Departments of
16 Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and
17 Defense, and other Federal departments or agencies,
18 to coordinate the conduct or support of comparative
19 effectiveness and related health services research;
20 and
21 (2) advise the President and Congress on—
22 (A) strategies with respect to the infra
23 structure needs of comparative effectiveness re
24 search within the Federal Government;
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1 (B) appropriate organizational expendi
2 tures for comparative effectiveness research by
3 relevant Federal departments and agencies; and
4 (C) opportunities to assure optimum co
5 ordination of comparative effectiveness and re
6 lated health services research conducted or sup
7 ported by relevant Federal departments and
8 agencies, with the goal of reducing duplicative
9 efforts and encouraging coordinated and com
10 plementary use of resources.
11 (c) MEMBERSHIP.—
12 (1) NUMBER AND APPOINTMENT.—The Council
13 shall be composed of not more than 15 members, all
14 of whom are senior Federal officers or employees
15 with responsibility for health-related programs, ap
16 pointed by the President, acting through the Sec
17 retary of Health and Human Services (in this sec
18 tion referred to as the ‘‘Secretary’’). Members shall
19 first be appointed to the Council not later than 30
20 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
21 (2) MEMBERS.—
22 (A) IN GENERAL.—The members of the
23 Council shall include one senior officer or em
24 ployee from each of the following agencies:
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1 (i) The Agency for Healthcare Re
2 search and Quality.
3 (ii) The Centers for Medicare and
4 Medicaid Services.
5 (iii) The National Institutes of
6 Health.
7 (iv) The Office of the National Coor
8 dinator for Health Information Tech
9 nology.
10 (v) The Food and Drug Administra
11 tion.
12 (vi) The Veterans Health Administra
13 tion within the Department of Veterans
14 Affairs.
15 (vii) The office within the Department
16 of Defense responsible for management of
17 the Department of Defense Military
18 Health Care System.
19 (B) QUALIFICATIONS.—At least half of the
20 members of the Council shall be physicians or
21 other experts with clinical expertise.
22 (3) CHAIRMAN; VICE CHAIRMAN.—The Sec
23 retary shall serve as Chairman of the Council and
24 shall designate a member to serve as Vice Chairman.

I think we’ve been hoodwinked...no wonder he was pushing to enact healthcare before the recess. He was probably counting on no one reading the healthcare bill like they didn’t read the stilulus bill.


20 posted on 08/12/2009 5:32:27 PM PDT by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: FrdmLvr

They probably didn’t want us to know this now. I believe it is in HR 3200 as a bargaining chip. They knew folks would be outraged with this.

They can throw it out of the final bill and say “are you happy now” What they know this provision was already in place in the unread stimulus bill.

All of them are criminals.


21 posted on 08/12/2009 5:36:22 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Time to start screaming at the townhalls that Stimulas gets over turned too!


22 posted on 08/12/2009 5:41:50 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: offduty

Hey thanks for finding it.


23 posted on 08/12/2009 6:03:48 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: FrdmLvr
I really think we need a Wiki where all these novel length bills are posted, and careful readers can comment on the meaning of each section. Goodness knows what else they are hiding in 1000 page legislation when the Constitution itself is only a small fraction of that size.


24 posted on 08/12/2009 6:16:30 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: FrdmLvr
Do we know if there is a transcript of this - this information needs to get out everywhere.

If not I will type one up and repost - if you haven't listened to this you really need to!
25 posted on 08/12/2009 6:50:22 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: FrdmLvr

If that is the same thing as TARP...yes, it is...


26 posted on 08/12/2009 6:53:17 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: FrdmLvr

Incrementalism....if this is true, then we also need to start asking about the “Stimulus” bill at the town halls.


27 posted on 08/12/2009 6:57:11 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

As far as I know, there is no transcript.


28 posted on 08/12/2009 7:08:47 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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29 posted on 08/12/2009 7:51:20 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Yeah, but who knew that "shovel-ready" meant grave-diggers?

Yes, and at the pace they are taking us down we may have to dig our own to fund our plots.

30 posted on 08/12/2009 8:04:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: FrdmLvr

And then, of course, there is the part of the stimulus bill which provides for collection of health care data on patients from health care providers, and the building of a central database. Sure, that has a lot to do with economic stimulus.

These Democrats are sneaky, deceptive, and fascist.


31 posted on 08/12/2009 8:09:41 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Did this get sent to FoxNews, Glenn Beck, etc.??


32 posted on 08/12/2009 8:11:33 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: All

Ya’ll need to go and read this article published back in Feb about this outrageousness.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs


33 posted on 08/12/2009 9:25:34 PM PDT by upchuck (Neuter them in 2010 - Send them packing in 2012.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Let’s get this to Drudge, Beck.... etc. Sneaky bastards. Zeke Emanuel needs to be tarred and feathered and shipped off to Mongolia for the winter.


34 posted on 08/12/2009 9:59:47 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Also, I understand, the computer expenses for keeping track of everyone and their health.


35 posted on 08/12/2009 10:12:39 PM PDT by MarMema (Marxism is never about truth, it is about power)
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To: FrdmLvr
forgive me if you already knew this
36 posted on 08/12/2009 10:13:58 PM PDT by MarMema (Marxism is never about truth, it is about power)
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To: cpforlife.org

Ping


37 posted on 08/12/2009 10:34:33 PM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Wow, if you thought people are angry now. Wait till this gets out...


38 posted on 08/12/2009 11:51:31 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: FrdmLvr

bttt


39 posted on 08/13/2009 8:03:07 AM PDT by NanaDory8
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To: NanaDory8

The ‘death panel’ provision has been dropped according to the Finance Committee. Is this what we’re talking about here, pretend to throw it out today all the while knowing the basics of the death panel have already been set up in the recently passed stimulus bill?


40 posted on 08/13/2009 1:17:53 PM PDT by kozanne
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To: NanaDory8

The ‘death panel’ provision has been dropped according to the Finance Committee. Is this what we’re talking about here, pretend to throw it out today all the while knowing the basics of the death panel have already been set up in the recently passed stimulus bill?


41 posted on 08/13/2009 1:18:03 PM PDT by kozanne
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