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White House may push through health care without Republicans
CNN ^ | 19 Aug 2009 | Ed Henry and Dana Bash

Posted on 08/19/2009 11:06:38 AM PDT by BGHater

The Obama administration is looking hard at pushing through a health care reform bill without Republican backing, top Democrats close to the White House told CNN.

The Democratic majority in the Senate has been stymied in the health care debate by Republicans and conservative Democrats, leaving them short of the 60-vote filibuster-proof margin needed to pass the bill.

Democratic success could depend on an obscure tactic called reconciliation, a type of budget maneuver that requires only a simple majority -- 51 votes -- to pass.

Congressional Democrats authorized the maneuver specifically for health care reform legislation during the debate over the 2010 budget, which passed in April.

One top Senate Republican warned at the time that using reconciliation to pass such a measure would be "like a declaration of war."

Going it alone could be risky for Democrats, not because they couldn't raise the votes, but because Republicans could cast it as a power play, accusing them of failing to win bipartisan support. A Quinnipiac University survey released two weeks ago showed that 59 percent of registered voters nationwide oppose passage of health care legislation if the bill fails to win bipartisan support.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs insisted Wednesday that President Obama has not yet given up hope for a bipartisan plan.

"The president has said countless times he will work with anybody and everybody who wants to work constructively on health care reform," Gibbs said. "We continue to be hopeful that we can get bipartisan support, and we'll continue to work with those that are interested in doing that."

But moving ahead on a more partisan basis might ultimately be a strategy Democrats are willing to employ.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bho44; bhofascism; bhohealthcare; bhotyranny; communism; congress; democrats; healthcare; killthebill; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; socialism; socializedmedicine; whitehouse
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To: griswold3

REad today that Obama is calling out his ‘moral’ attack dogs. The ‘progressive’ religious leaders are going to push the ‘moral imperative’ of this legislation. In other words, if ‘UnAmerican’ didn’t work, then resort to ‘UnChristian’.
We should prepare a counterattack to these ‘progressive’ religious leaders. I will not be lectured by a bunch of morally bankrupt Marxists!

Easy. Every other word out of the Dems is about cost. Focusing on COST instead of QUALITY is unchristian.

You can’t put a dollar amount on what a human is worth, but if you focus on costs that is exactly what you are doing.

Focusing on cost is unchrisitan.

21 posted on 08/19/2009 11:29:48 AM PDT by Brookhaven (
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To: GonzoGOP

I wasn’t gonna say it but .....

22 posted on 08/19/2009 11:31:55 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Hello? Republicans? Is anybody home? “

Not so you would notice.

23 posted on 08/19/2009 11:32:56 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: BGHater

R.I.P. you sorry Democrats - 2010 is just around the corner.

24 posted on 08/19/2009 11:33:04 AM PDT by cblue55
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To: domenad

Agreed. If the Dems want to ram this down the country’s throat, I hope they go for it. With as much public outrage as we’ve seen over their proposal, it’ll be catastrophic for their hopes of winning the 2010 and 2012 elections and the last major initiative they’ll be able to pass in the meantime.

And any Republican congresscritter who even thinks about voting for this thing should be voted out right along with them.

25 posted on 08/19/2009 11:35:49 AM PDT by VOR78
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To: domenad



Governor Rick Perry may invoke the 10th Amendment over Obama’s health care bill (Vanity)
7/23/09 | Cowtowney;page=51

Get after Perry, Texans. Burn up his switch board and fax!
Let him know we don’t want Obama DeathCare.

Say no to Obama’s DeathCare.
Send a message; DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS healthcare!
No! NO you don’t, you muzzie pos. You’re not denying our seniors deserved health care while insuring millions of illegal aliens and while Demorats are REJECTING Obamacare for themselves and their families!

Join organizations who fight ObamaCare.

This is a good organization:
The Alliance of Texans Against Government Controlled Healthcare:

office (972) 466-2915
fax (972) 466-2965
toll-free (866) 377-1300

From the website:
We are currently contacting Governor Rick Perry by fax and mail!

We have made it easy for you to help. Click here to display the letter and contact information.

Petition to STOP government controlled healthcare in Texas
Read and sign the petition

Print and sign the letter
(feel free to make changes if you wish)

Fax the letter to the fax numbers

Mail a hard copy to the addresses

Call their offices

Dear Governor Perry,

On March 30, 2009 the Texas House of Representatives passed HCR 50 affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment.

You have publicly supported this bill, and stated that attorney generals from all over the union could be getting ready to sue the US Government.

We are asking you to take the lead.

We are asking you to order the Texas Attorney General to publicly begin working on a law suit under Article IV, Ninth, and Tenth Amendment of the Constitution.

We are asking you to protect the citizens of Texas that we will not stand for government controlled healthcare in our state.

Under your leadership we can effectively kill the proposal of this administration and allow Texas to be a state free from socialism and collectivism.

Be the voice of reason in the national debate and allow Texans the ability to solve the problems of our state.

Thank you,

(Signature Date)

Lookup your state representatives

or google ‘free fax’

Contacting Rick Perry

Office of the Governor
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 463-2000
Fax: (512) 463-1849

Washington Office:
122 C St., NW, Ste. 200
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: (202) 638-3927
Fax: (202) 628-1943

Contact Budget Planning and Policy

Address:1100 San Jacinto
Austin, Texas 78701
Phone: (512) 463-1778
Fax: (512) 463-1975
Gregory S. Davidson
Constituent Communication Division Director and
Executive Clerk to the Governor
Phone: (512) 463-1873

Office of the General Counsel
Department Mailing Address
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, TX 78711
Phone: 512.463.2000
Fax: 512.463.1932

Press Secretary
Allison Castle, Press Secretary
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 463-1826
Fax: (512) 463-1847

Contact Texas Health Care Policy Council
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 463-1778
Fax: (512) 463-1975

Sign up. Become a member.
Sign petition against Obamacare!
See member interview with Cavuto!


From Texans Against Government Controlled Health Care

Facts about the 10th Amendment:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

Affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates, and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed.

Take Action! Before it is too late!



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26 posted on 08/19/2009 11:38:45 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: BGHater

“White House may push through health care without Republicans”

I don’t think they have a clue. Townhalls are just the tip of frustration of the average American worker & voter & legal citizen.

27 posted on 08/19/2009 11:39:05 AM PDT by Sparko (Obama Stimulus Slogan: Who ya gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: BGHater

The dems need to shut up about it and just do it.... and own the consequences.

28 posted on 08/19/2009 11:39:49 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: BGHater; Free ThinkerNY; freekitty; unkus; Howie66; sheik yerbouty; basil; PhiKapMom; al baby; ...

TYRANNY AND TREASON on display for the American people to see up front an personal. Vote these traitors out of office.

29 posted on 08/19/2009 11:40:18 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You are 100% correct this is “Treason”

And THAT is a serious matter, for which the man who “sleeps in the White House” deserves to be held accountable. Along with the “majority” of Congress.

30 posted on 08/19/2009 11:45:50 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: GeronL

BRD out years

31 posted on 08/19/2009 11:49:25 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: Harrius Magnus; mojitojoe; Pelham; mom2twinsn2; LongLiveTheRepublic; ConservativeOrBust; ...
The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

I want to make you aware of this empty threat to scare RINOs. Not only would Reconciliation (which the liberals in the House are demanding on MSNBC) be a political disaster for Obama, but most of the reform would expire in a few years when it wouldnt even start until 2012. By the time it expires a few years later republicans will be in charge and can pass what they want, just like what happened with the Bush tax cuts.

Obama is in a corner. He needs a bi-partision bill badly, really badly. Our side has played this out perfectly. The end-game is either Republicans help write a new bill with free market principles and he gets most of their votes(a huge win for him) , or he goes down with his party liberal nutcases. This could not be better!

See : and

32 posted on 08/19/2009 11:49:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: BGHater
Once again, this is not solely about Party. Both Parties have yielded our liberty up in the name of "helping us." Their arrogance and our lack of vigilance have brought us to this moment.

The battle now is about coercive government control of the incomes of hardworking citizens for generations yet to be born. It is about coercive government control over the decisions of individuals and of physicians. It is about the violation of the principles of the U. S. Constitution which may finally threaten the future of liberty.

As a result, the time is now for elected officials from both Parties to listen to the voices being raised in favor of freedom from bureaucratic control over their lives.

Note to all: if you find that you have read the following on other threads today, just skip it, but if not, then my hope is that it may contribute to the dialogue in which we are currently engaged.

It's not enough simply to talk about the party in power. Every elected representative needs to "get" the new awareness citizens have developed about their liberty vs. the threat of cocercive government power. What American citizens need to do now is remind all elected officials of their constitutional duty to protect and defend the Constitution and the principles which made America a place of liberty for oppressed individuals from all over the world. That Constitution limited government's power and reach into the lives of its citizens. It freed individuals and bound government.

Now is the moment in America's history for a principles-based debate. For too long, we have allowed politicians always to focus attention on this or that "issue." And, as a result, we have allowed freedom and opportunity to be limited, and liberty for citizens to be diminished. Coercive government control, whether by a king, a feudal lord, or three branches of a government, is still coercive control by some imperfect persons over other persons.

The current debate is not solely about health care. It's not about the auto industry, or the banking establishment. It's about liberty for individuals in a society versus tyrannical government control over the livelihoods, the earnings, and life and death decisions of each of those citizens.

The American Constitution was not supposed to allow that! Its Framers intended, through its protections, and through Article V, to put "We, the People" in charge to "bind them (elected officials) down by the chains of the Constitution" (Jefferson). They seem to have forgotten that.

Can anyone who reads Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Madison, or any other Founders actually believe their Constitution allows the principles of the Declaration to be violated in such a way by those elected to positions of power in government?

Any citizen whose passion is liberty should not be tricked into accepting such "compromises" of their liberty. There is a time and place when liberty is so threatened that, on behalf of our posterity, we should stand and declare to our elected officials in both Parties:

"This is a matter of principle. It is not negotiable. Stop taking away our Creator-endowed rights to be free to succeed or fail. Stop your arrogance in believing you were elected by us to take what we work hard to earn and 'redistribute' it in the name of 'compassionate conservatism' (R) or 'economic justice' (D). Sometimes you even try to fool us by redistributing it back to ourselves, as in 'cash for clunkers.' It is neither compassion nor justice! It is tyranny! Don't compromise away the future of your great-grandchildren!"

33 posted on 08/19/2009 11:49:36 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: BGHater

They could do that at any time if they weren’t fighting over who would get the money.

34 posted on 08/19/2009 11:50:44 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: al baby

The National BRD Bill can be passed without GOP support?? So what the heck are they waiting for?

35 posted on 08/19/2009 11:51:24 AM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! -
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To: Sparko
Townhalls are just the tip of frustration of the average American worker & voter & legal citizen.

Exactly! If they think it's hot now, just wait when hell is released upon them.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 11:55:37 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

They are even more foolish than I thought.

37 posted on 08/19/2009 11:55:56 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: sickoflibs
By the time it expires a few years later republicans will be in charge and can pass what they want, just like what happened with the Bush tax cuts.

I hope Omama believes that theory, but in practice, taxes go up and down, but it's almost impossible to get rid of govt. programs once they are started.

38 posted on 08/19/2009 11:58:10 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs

Seems the me, the community organizer in chief is a little inept in his abilities after bragging how much he learned as a community oragasmer......

39 posted on 08/19/2009 12:02:42 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: GeronL
They have an obstacle to using reconcilation...and that is Sen Byrd of WV....Article from March of this year:

Is Sen. Byrd obstructing Pres. Obama's mandate for change?


by: Clem Guttata

Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 10:02:56 AM EDT

The Senate is an inherently undemocratic (little D) legislative body, a fact made all the worse with the evolution of the filibuster from its original rules. (Mind you, the filibuster exists nowhere in the constitution, it derives from Senate rules, continually changing since the late 1700's.) Today, the filibuster rules allow Sens. represented a small minority of the countries population to obstruct the will of the majority of our citizens.

This story hit the news last Friday and it isn't pretty (emphasis mine, article by Darren Samuelsohn)

Budget move for climate bill draws rebuke from 28 senators

A White House-led push to move global warming legislation in the Senate without having to deal with an expected GOP filibuster has drawn opposition from 28 senators, including six Democrats and several moderate Republicans.

Critics of using the budget reconciliation process as a vehicle for President Obama's cap-and-trade plan weighed in with a letter (pdf) to the Democratic and Republican leaders of the Senate Budget Committee, saying the fast-track strategy should not be used for something as complex as a climate bill.

There has been wide-spread speculation that the budget process might be used to avoid Republican obstruction to enact Obama's campaign promises on both climate change and healthcare reform.

Sens. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.) and Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) led a signature drive that included several notable moderate lawmakers from both parties who have long been considered critical to passage of a climate bill. They include Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), Robert Casey (D-Pa.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Ben Nelson (D-Neb.).

Carol Browner, Obama's top energy and climate adviser, has been quietly pressing Democrats on Capitol Hill to consider using the budget reconciliation strategy out of concern that a cap-and-trade bill could not otherwise win 60 votes. Earlier today, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said he is still considering the controversial budget strategy and questioned the premise that he does not have the 51 votes necessary to pass the legislation with the climate language included (Greenwire, March 12).

Congressional Quarterly provides more background on the issue:

The obvious and most tantalizing option for congressional Democrats for moving Obama's agenda is the budget process known as reconciliation. Under this system, legislation that affects tax revenue and mandatory spending needs only 51 votes to pass the Senate, meaning it negates the threat of filibusters.

But moving either the emissions cap-and-trade legislation or a health care overhaul through this process wouldn't be easy either, because of what is known as the Byrd rule. Named for Democratic Sen. Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, the rule allows policy language that has no effect on spending or revenue to be struck from reconciliation bills when they come to the floor.

In summary... the administration says cap-and-trade and health care legislation are fundamentally legislation that affect tax revenue and mandatory spending. Sen. Byrd is preemptively signaling that he does not agree. In doing so, Sen. Byrd is allying with Republican obstructionist seeking to derail Obama's climate change and health care policies--two of Obama's three major campaign promises.

If you support the administration taking action on climate change or on a health care system overhaul, I urge you to contact Sen. Byrd's office to express your concerns. Sen. Byrd has significant influence to help both of these initiatives through the Senate. It is important  for him to knows West Virginians are for change, not obstruction.

Follow below the fold for contact information for Sen. Byrd's office.

Clem Guttata :: Is Sen. Byrd obstructing Pres. Obama's mandate for change?
Tell Sen. Byrd you support the administration's health care system overhaul to provide universal health care coverage and/or the administration's climate change policies include cap-and-trade.

Let Sen. Byrd know you are concerned his recent letter to Obama about the budget reconciliation process signals a lack of support for Obama's policies and you hope the Sen. will strong support administration efforts to enact major legislation this session.

40 posted on 08/19/2009 12:09:11 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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