Skip to comments.Michael Vick, Rehabbed? Not Bloody Likely
Posted on 08/19/2009 1:04:19 PM PDT by AJKauf
Former Atlanta Falcon, now Philadelphia Eagle Michael Vick, fresh off Sundays appearance on 60 Minutes, sure has his loyal supporters, and they have surprising strength in numbers.
All seem to agree that Vick has done his time for running Bad Newz Kennels, his infamous dogfighting ring. So he tortured, maimed, electrocuted, drowned, and body-slammed a bunch of dogs. You want remorse for that, when other football players kill people? Leave the guy alone! Vick sat in jail long enough, hes been punished enough, he deserves a second chance, now let him enjoy a full comeback to the NFL with all the benefits that brings.
Besides, isnt one of Vicks posse none other than the CEO of the Humane Society of the United States? Enough, already.
Im no fan of Vick, but Im trying to see things the way his fans do. And Im actually starting to like the hes done his time position. Because I can think of some others whove done their time and deserve a second chance: the dog lovers of Denver, Colorado...
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The Humane Society was smart for coopting Vick instead of continuing to protest him. They’d seem pretty petty and impotent in trying fruitlessly to prevent Vick’s return to the NFL. Instead they scored a poster boy for ending animal rights abuses, while seeming moderate and reasonable in the process. In this manner they can establish themselves as a sane group that can be worked with, unlike, say, PETA.
Vick served more time than most people who commit assults against people. He served his time. Get off of his back.
PETA can stick it with their defamation campaign.
HE SERVED HIS SENTENCE. Just because he don’t say the right things that the animal rights PETA pets think he should be saying. Get off his back. He served his time.
I fail to have an issue with a convicted felon seeking honest work, and finding it, upon his release from prison.
I couldn’t agree more. I live in the area and have been sickened by this coverage on the local news. There would probably have been less if he had been convicted for manslaughter.
I very much doubt that Vick is sorry for anything other than the fact that he got caught. That said, he probably does some good as a spokesman, however insincere.
Yeah, right. That’ll work out well for the Humane Society when Vick is again caught involved in animal abuse. Anyone out there really believe Vick learned his lesson? Or, was he just sorry he was caught??? I vote the second option. I’m still trying to understand how someone convicted of those charges only received 18 months. I’d be in jail for a lot longer period of time you can be sure of that.
He wasn’t convicted, he plead guilty, and actually got a longer sentence than his non-celebrity cohorts.
If I were convicted of a felony I would lose my job and never again be able to obtain employment in the field I’m in. Why is Vick different? Oh, in case you’re interested, it would not matter what kind of felony I was convicted of. I would never be able to work in this field.
...I don’t care about all this “he’s paid his debt to society” blather....I’m interested in the way he and his posse killed those dogs with electrocution/drowning/slamming ect...that’s very dark stuff...reminds me of adolescent cat torturers who later abduct, torture and murder women for kicks...at heart, Vick demonstrates a capacity for evil....I don’t think we’ve heard the last of him in that regard....the leopard don’t change his spots....
Vick just hung around with a bad crowd. Bunch of hanger-on losers who wanted to ride his jock. He never did any of this crap before he went to the NFL.
There are no quiet signings in the NFL, all signings are public information. And he is at a fraction of his salary, he’s down to $1.6 million from his previous salary of $10 million, and he’s going to be suspended for the first few games of the season so he won’t even get all the 1.6.
Pleading guilty to a crime is a conviction. Look it up. The longer sentence might have something to do with the fact that the fights took place on his property, and that he admitted to being directly invovled with the killing of the dogs after they were no longer able to be used for fighting. So, what’s your point?
I have mixed emotions about this issue but wouldn’t mind reading the thoughts of other Freepers.
Of course there’s the all-American argument that Vick has served his time and there’s a lot of truth to this, no?
There’s also the argument that the man has a right to pursue a livlihood after doing his time and this is true?
Finally, shouldn’t the decision be up to the fans when all is said and done?
For no matter how noble my belief that he’s served his time, I just can never forget that this man threw dogs into a pool of water while it was electrified and allowed them to be electrocuted, all the while as they screamed with the horrific pain.
I can’t forget that he picked up dogs by their legs and body-slammed them against brick walls, again with the screams of pain and if they didn’t die from that torture, he had them shot to a final peace with a bullet.
And for what? Because this animal living only by its instincts and with its major desire to please its owner, failed at providing Vick funds from his torture of other innocent animals by the gruesome sport of dog fighting. Every way you look at it this is a bad, bad thing and only really, really bad people can do stuff like this.
I’m not an Eagles fan but if the Ravens took up Vick on their team I’d never watch a game again, buy a product from any sponsor of the games or read another word about the team.
So I proffer the good and noble sentiments that I should have but my gut instinct is to completely dislike this fellow as much as I’d like to believe he’s changed his ways. But that’s just me.
New team, new city, new possition.
As a man of influence in the Philadelphia Cock Fighting Community, I intend to reach out to introduce him to a new passtime.
You are a soldier and a Dad I must guess. Because some of the commenters above your comment disillusioned me completely. How to defend this guy...tell us to “get off his back”?
Thank you for making me think I’m not the only crazy one that still thinks only an evil person can do what that man did.
He’s out of jail, good. He served his time, good. But no law says I got to watch any football game he’s in, good.
Vick and Plaxico, poster children for left wing extremists. Vick= PETA, Plaxico= Gun control anti 2nd amendment leftist factions.
This is a media feeding frenzy that most people dismiss as extremists because they are insignificant rants.
Oh, he's absolutely just sorry he was caught. But I think it's probably been made pretty clear to him that his entire image is riding on constantly demonstrating his remorse, and that the Eagles, the Humane Society, his own agent, and anybody else with a chunk of brain cells has told him that if it happens again his career will be over and he'll end up in jail for a decade.
I don't think he was addicted to dog-fighting, I think he just thought it was fun and thought that the animals didn't deserve to be treated like living creatures. I'm sure his ethics haven't changed, but I strongly doubt he'd ever consider going back to that sort of thing — too many people watching.
Of course, there's a long list of people who whose first stupid act did not preclude their second. We'll see.
Thank you....only bad people can do what he did, it’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Vick is still a POS. He toutured animals. He served his time but the NFL is filled with thugs like him and Ray Lewis. PETA is not the issue.
The issue is Vick is still a POS. His leaving Atlanta was a gift to the team and owner. He sucks as a quarterback.
When will Barney Frank and Chris Dodd be prosecuted and imprisoned for their crimes against America???
That is the justice we should be talking about. Not jumping on someone who has already done their time.
LETS TALK ABOUT CONVICTING REAL CRIMINALS!!
He tortured and killed animals for pleasure and profit. Vick is a POS. The word evil is a pretty accurate.
Sort of it is and sort of it isn’t. As far as your overall criminal record is concerned yes it’s a conviction, as far as the time you’re going to serve though it’s vastly different. That’s part of what the plea deal is all about, save the government the cost of the trial and save yourself the cost of some time.
My point is your statement is silly. You’re implying Vick got celebrity treatment, but he got the longest sentence of the group. The whole thing went like a pretty standard federal prosecution, he was facing a good 5 to 10 had he gone to trial and lost, he plead out and got 18 months, and we didn’t have to put up with 2 years worth of legal motions and trial. This is how the vast majority of criminal cases, especially federal cases, go.
My beef with Vick is that he’s a lousy QB. Great athlete, exciting to watch, but cannot play the position. Can’t deliver the ball downfield with any consistency.
I mean, what are the odds Vick will go back to drowning, electrocuting, torturing, and killing stolen family pets again? Sheesh, people....
Yes, he walked. Free. It occurred during the whole Vick saga. But, there was no one protesting for those poor children.
It didn't make the front page. No one, started a charity to support these kids.
We are dying as a society because instead of raising children we are raising pets.
Without immigrants America would be dying. And the fact is, we are dying because we are putting animals[property] up the level of a human. A human who has a soul and rights.
another spoiled arrogant overpaid barbarian who doesn’t even deserve hyphens alert.
I didn’t know he wasn’t a good QB...don’t think I’ve ever seen him play.
I say someone ought to go to great lengths to get a swimming pool of water and put a live electric cord in it. and for being a lousy QB even though he’d probably like to be a wonderful QB but he just don’t have it, he should be thrown in and let’s all sit and hear his screams of pain until he dies. You don’t die right away from electrocution let us remember.
It’s not like he asked Leroy to run the good for nothing losing mutts down to the local Vets and slip the guy a hundred bucks for having them put down, money he could have afforded.
This guy went to great lengths to torture those dogs who fought valiantly the best they could for him, all the while as he was there hearing their sobs of torment and don’t forget they were probably already torn apart from the fight.
Sheesh.....so okay, maybe it’ll only be me but I’ll not forget.
There is something deeply wrong, psychologically, with a man who can do such things repeatedly. I’ve listened to Michael’s after prison pleas, but I am of the opinion that prison didn’t work on fixing what is broken in the man’s mind that allowed his conscience to embrace such cruelty.
“There would probably have been less if he had been convicted for manslaughter.”
You mean like Stallworth.
Now I’m not sure what the charges were, but he killed a guy and served 24 days! TWENTY-FOUR DAYS!
I know it was an accident, but Stallworth was driving drunk.
When Burress shot himself in the foot (okay- the leg), that was accidental too, no doubt about it. They’re looking to send him up for years.
Something here doesn’t make sense.
BTW, Tony Dungee is a fairly astute judge of character. He is lending support to Michael Vick, but hasn’t gone so far as to say he is completely ‘rehabilitated’. That says a lot in my book beacuse I have tremendous respect for Tony. Micheal Vick? ... Not so much.
This is the main reason I loathe professional football and basketball.
Longest sentence of that group - hmmmm - interesting way to consider it. How does his sentence stack up against other cases that are nearly identical? Yes, entering a plea and agreeing to admit guilt does effectively reduce a person’s sentence (in many cases, but not all).
Where did I use the word, “Celebrity” in my posts? I didn’t. Since you brought it up, though, the NFL appears to not care all that much about his felony conviction and are willing to make money on his prior fame, damn the consequences if he’s caught involved in some other incident. I note, yet again, if I were to be convicted of a felony of any type I would lose my job and never regain it, despite whether I entered a guilty plea or was convicted by a jury/judge. Vick lives in a world where he has the media spotlight. How is his light slap on the wrist going to be perceived by those who engage in similar activities? Something I believe that should be considered.
18 months in prison for killing dogs seems like a lot to me, when some do less time for killing men.
don’t call me “people, okay?
I doubt he’ll ever do it again. Sheesh some of us are as smart as you.
His sorrow is from getting caught. If he really wanted to put those dogs down who so disappointed him, he could have one of his flackies learn how to administer a quick shot or pay an off duty Vet some bucks to do it, money he had to spare. He wanted those dogs to SUFFER, he wanted to hear their yelps of pain, in many cases he wanted the sheer joy to slamming them against a wall his own self. This after they were probably already torn apart after the losing fight.
He tortured those animals but we’ll see. I don’t think he’ll be much of anything ever again cause he was pretty much a big zero to start with.
My beef isn’t with how much prison time he served and for sure idiots who try to turn this argument to Chris Dodd don’t deserve any time.
I wouldn’t care if he didn’t go to jail for a single day.
He still did what he did and what he did is the mark of a truly, truly evil person.
Vick has a strong but inaccurate arm. So he should fit right in on the Eagles.
Actually, I have a son who is a soldier in the Army (I served in the Air Force, or Chair Force as my son calls it). What really gets me is that I would lose my job and not be eligible for rehire if I were convicted of any and I mean ANY felony. This guy gets what amounts to a slap on the wrist and is back making huge sums of money less than two years later? I will be rooting against the Eagles this year for the first time since before Ron Jawarski was their quaterback.
The rest of the guys in his case got 12 to 15 months.
You implied celebrity (which is all I said you did) when you said you’d have served a longer sentence. That’s usually what that phrase is tagged to, that the other guy got off easier than you would have because he’s famous and you’re not.
I don’t know how you think the NFL doesn’t care, he’s still under suspension until the commish decides to lift it. Goodell has given an indication that the suspension will end around week 6, maybe earlier if Vick is well behaved, maybe later if he isn’t. A six week suspension involves lose of about 1/3 of his new $1.6 million salary.
I don’t know what line of work you’re in. There’s plenty out there where felony conviction won’t bother you too much. Might make the interview a little rough if it comes up, but really unless you need a clearance by and large it’s a non-issue.
I’m not entirely convinced Vick got off lightly. He’s already lost $20 million in NFL salary in just the two seasons he was out, that’s not counting the fact that his list salary now is $8.4 million less than it was and he’s likely to lose 1/3 of this year’s list salary. By the time his current 2 year contract is done (2 years before his old contract would have ended) we’re talking $36 million in lost salary, and that’s just his NFL salary, then there’s all the endorsement deals he had that are toast. Plus 18 months in the pen, plus how ever long he’ll be on probation. I mean it’s not the stiffest punishment ever meted out but I sure am glad it didn’t happen to me.
here in Georgia we lost a retired UGA professor and his wife due to dog attacks. Michael Vick wouldn’t have let this happen. . .
Love the Chair Force thing. Although tis the first time I heard of it.
Obviously I’m not arguing his sentence or even if he should be allowed to play football again. I didn’t know about losing jobs/rehire for a penalty but that was never the gist of any beef I had against Vick.
I made my point fairly graphically and of course I’m right. Heck I can administer shots to my dogs and surely he could have had someone just give them an overdose if he wanted them put down. Not justifying this either, and certainly not the “sport” of dog fighting, but maybe the dogs were too torn up or some such. They could have given the suffering dogs an overdose buried in a big plate of food for God’s sake.
This man wanted those dogs to suffer and more than anything I view him as evil. That stuff about felons, no job, worse punishment for dogs than humans isn’t the meat of my debate.
Although if you hold a gun to my head I’m thinking the league officials shouldn’t have re-hired the creep but then you’d have set a precedent and football players are not known far and wide for their pristine criminal records.
I’m all for allowing the fans to have the say on this one. As I hear it, Philadelphia fans are none too eager about this event and I’m thinking Philly fans are a right tough lot.
I think Vick will peter out to nothing. Because he is a nothing. Now he’s a two year in jail nothing and if other assessments on his talent are right, he was nothing to write home about when he was not a felon.
This is not about loving dogs more than humans and certainly we should put Chris Dodd in jail how’s that for a dumb argument?
But Vick is really an evil person, the very definition of evil. Freepers complain about sports players and how they feel they are above it all.
We shall see. He’s going to be a big nothing-burger and the entire NFL is going to look really dumb for even giving this guy a second chance.
Wild dogs I heard.
That’s a really sad story although you appear to be making a silly joke.
“There is something deeply wrong, psychologically, with a man who can do such things repeatedly....”
....exactly....it has nothing to do with his athletic ability....but everything to do with him as a person...he’s part of a new breed of feral crimnals who cannot be “rehabilitated” because they have never been “habilitated” in the first place....they are committing acts of savagery daily in our cities....and they are very,very dangerous.
Okay so my husband’s sitting here ‘splaining some things to me.
Husbands do this sort of thing.
“Problem is the NFL has nothing to do with hiring the guy,” he explains to me as I lament that some dope would offer an argument that Chris Dodd should go to jail in a Mike Vick thread and how very dumb some people can be.
“So who hires the players? Doesn’t the NFL have some say in who is hired?” I ask husband.
“No. It’s the owners who decide who to hire and if you go making it illegal to hire Vick then you’ve got a whole bunch of other sports thugs who’ve done all sorts of things.”
I do believe I did say that somewhere. My husband is a drop dead serious football fan and he’s not going to watch a Philly game so he says.
Then again he doesn’t like evil people, loves dogs and thinks arguments about Chris Dodd on a Mike Vick thread is also very stupid.
Really????? No consideration for how many dogs were killed? No consideration for the various methods of how the dogs were killed? No consideration that the reason why he killed the dogs is that they were no longer any good for fighting (oh, yeah, he wasn’t just killing dogs - he was using them for sport and profit - but we won’t mention that). No consideration for the fact that illegal gambling was a motivating factor, or the fact that drug use/abuse/sales was also conducted during the dog fighting events? Wow. Just incredible.
One more thing then I’ll shut up.
Husband the rabid football fan tells me that Vick is a wonderful quarterback.
This to those who said Vick was bad. I dunno and do not accept any premise that my husband is right about that. He’s wrong quite a bit, in fact, as is often the case with husbands.
But I thought I’d throw it out there.
Michael Vick was (and I stress the “was” part as he’s been out for two years now) a decent ball carrier, but not all that accurate with his passes. The Falcons did better last year without him in the lineup.
Vick is a very talented young man in a very violent sport. BUT, he is deeply flawewd, psychologically else he could not have been so ddeply involved in such cruelty to living/sentient things. As said above, he is the prototypical feral urban predator, he just happens to have been blessed with natural talents, focused in a violent sport. But realize, football was not what fired up his ‘rush’, cruelty—a sickness of the soul—drove the man to do what he did repeatedly.
He paid and paid dearly. It’s estimated that his behavior and subsequent imprisonment cost him approx. $100 million+ in lost endorsements and salary.
I’m with the “He’s paid his debt” crowd. He’s paid his debt quite literally in cash and prison time and that includes forced payouts to the animal rights crowd.
Don’t get me wrong, as a dog owner/lover, what he did was abominable. But where do we as a society draw the line as it relates to the value of a human life over a dogs life?
Another football player can make a decision to get behind the wheel drunk and run down another human being and gets no prison time. It’s called a “mistake” yet Vick’s actions were called “decisions”. Sorry, both were “decisions”.
IMO, our society has lost perspective on the value of a human life and prefers animal lives over humans.